Average American woman - new study

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Anonymous wrote:McDonald's no longer has a $1 menu.

McDonald's no longer sells salads.

And people will still gladly spend more money on this garbage. You can get a 42oz container or oats for 2.79, 30 servings.

That breaks down to 9 cents per serving. But people will would rather pay $5 for a sausage eggs and cheese biscuits at the driv thru, whether they are short on money or not.

Because it tastes good and gives people a moment of happiness in their miserable lives.
I find it so much easier to live a healthy lifestyle when I'm happier. When things are tough, I eat garbage and waste my money. If people weren't so broke and depressed, it would be easier to make better decisions.

I sort of feel this way and I’m not even overweight at all.
I’m not a stress eater or a sadness eater, I’m a boredom eater and a procrasti-snacker. When I have a nervous stomach or am too emotionally taxed I don’t eat at all - but this state of mind thankfully doesn’t dominate.

Instead, I tend to overeat when things are just blah and dull. Like during the pandemic. When there’s nothing to look forward to or get excited about and all there is is work and chores and bills, I eat, because it’s momentary pleasure and a good way to procrastinate. And I definitely have a sweet tooth. I’m only not overweight partially because of genetics and also because I exercise a lot, but my diet really isn’t great.

These are honest answers and believable.

Not the, “it’s too expensive, I don’t have time, I don’t have access to anything heathy” that people typically claim to remove any sense of fault

Why is it so important to you to assign blame to every overweight person?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McDonald's no longer has a $1 menu.

McDonald's no longer sells salads.

And people will still gladly spend more money on this garbage. You can get a 42oz container or oats for 2.79, 30 servings.

That breaks down to 9 cents per serving. But people will would rather pay $5 for a sausage eggs and cheese biscuits at the driv thru, whether they are short on money or not.

Because it tastes good and gives people a moment of happiness in their miserable lives.
I find it so much easier to live a healthy lifestyle when I'm happier. When things are tough, I eat garbage and waste my money. If people weren't so broke and depressed, it would be easier to make better decisions.

I sort of feel this way and I’m not even overweight at all.
I’m not a stress eater or a sadness eater, I’m a boredom eater and a procrasti-snacker. When I have a nervous stomach or am too emotionally taxed I don’t eat at all - but this state of mind thankfully doesn’t dominate.

Instead, I tend to overeat when things are just blah and dull. Like during the pandemic. When there’s nothing to look forward to or get excited about and all there is is work and chores and bills, I eat, because it’s momentary pleasure and a good way to procrastinate. And I definitely have a sweet tooth. I’m only not overweight partially because of genetics and also because I exercise a lot, but my diet really isn’t great.

These are honest answers and believable.

Not the, “it’s too expensive, I don’t have time, I don’t have access to anything heathy” that people typically claim to remove any sense of fault

Why is it so important to you to assign blame to every overweight person?

The solution lies within the individual, which makes it important to recognize the root of the problem is the individual and their choices. Otherwise, are we all supposed to wait for the government to regulate obesity away?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McDonald's no longer has a $1 menu.

McDonald's no longer sells salads.

And people will still gladly spend more money on this garbage. You can get a 42oz container or oats for 2.79, 30 servings.

That breaks down to 9 cents per serving. But people will would rather pay $5 for a sausage eggs and cheese biscuits at the driv thru, whether they are short on money or not.

Because it tastes good and gives people a moment of happiness in their miserable lives.
I find it so much easier to live a healthy lifestyle when I'm happier. When things are tough, I eat garbage and waste my money. If people weren't so broke and depressed, it would be easier to make better decisions.

+1 yup this

I’m about 25 pounds overweight. I eat bad stuff because it makes me feel good. I try to make good choices when I can. I try to be as active as I can.

[Anonymous]

Remember that the size you buy and the actual Size you wear can be two different things depending on the store.

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Anonymous wrote:Just a quick look at all of the organizations that are totally wrong about the risks of obesity

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/obesity/index.cfm

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/symptoms-causes/syc-20375742


Thanks to the fat positive posters for pointing out their errors.

Yeah. They are wrong. Here is my issue with these articles. They say that people who are obese have a higher incidence of these illnesses. They don’t say that when obese people lose weight, the incidence goes down.

Look, these organizations exist within a larger social context. There are higher incidences of stroke and heart disease among African Americans as well, and these organizations will point out genetic and social causes, like physician bias and access to care.

Probably, the causes heart disease and stroke in these populations is multi factorial and have to do with genetics, SES, and access to care. But the answer is to spread awareness, not to say that everyone should try to look and act like a thin, white, cis man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McDonald's no longer has a $1 menu.

McDonald's no longer sells salads.

And people will still gladly spend more money on this garbage. You can get a 42oz container or oats for 2.79, 30 servings.

That breaks down to 9 cents per serving. But people will would rather pay $5 for a sausage eggs and cheese biscuits at the driv thru, whether they are short on money or not.

Because it tastes good and gives people a moment of happiness in their miserable lives.
I find it so much easier to live a healthy lifestyle when I'm happier. When things are tough, I eat garbage and waste my money. If people weren't so broke and depressed, it would be easier to make better decisions.

I sort of feel this way and I’m not even overweight at all.
I’m not a stress eater or a sadness eater, I’m a boredom eater and a procrasti-snacker. When I have a nervous stomach or am too emotionally taxed I don’t eat at all - but this state of mind thankfully doesn’t dominate.

Instead, I tend to overeat when things are just blah and dull. Like during the pandemic. When there’s nothing to look forward to or get excited about and all there is is work and chores and bills, I eat, because it’s momentary pleasure and a good way to procrastinate. And I definitely have a sweet tooth. I’m only not overweight partially because of genetics and also because I exercise a lot, but my diet really isn’t great.

These are honest answers and believable.

Not the, “it’s too expensive, I don’t have time, I don’t have access to anything heathy” that people typically claim to remove any sense of fault

People respect these honest answers from thin people. If a fat person says this they lack willpower and self-control.

I'm about 20 -25 pounds overweight and I'm the one who said that I have money and time, but that life is hard and junk food feels good. I don't know if I'm seen as "fat" (I'm a size 8), but most people just agree and laugh.

Yeah, I'm the PP who said people eat for "rewards," sometimes because time and willpower are in short supply, not because we actually logically think "I deserve a reward and choose seconds at dinner over activities i enjoy and have plenty of leisure time for."

I was told that it is easy and quick to steam frozen vegetables I am aware! But guess what, steamed frozen vegetables are generally not sufficient for a family meal. So sure, we have a few recipes where we can throw in a bag of green beans, but that's not going to solve the problem of my wanting seconds because eating is a small pleasure and I don't have many most days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember that the size you buy and the actual Size you wear can be two different things depending on the store.

But the range isn't that far off -- maybe one size.

My DH is 180 lbs at 6'2. He's 56 and lean.

The average American man weighs about 198

Americans are just big.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it make you sad? Unpack that.

Huh? I’m not OP but anytime I see someone who’s health is destroyed it’s sad.

I am roughly 80 pounds overweight. You’d probably be sad if you looked at me, I guess.

I hiked 9 miles today. I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I eat a healthy and varied diet. My blood pressure is on the low side of normal. My fasting blood sugar and A1C has never been close to even pre-diabetic. I am insulin resistant which is why it’s very hard for me to lose weight and why I’ve always been overweight.

You can’t tell how healthy someone is by looking at them.

I love how the responses to this are to tell you that you aren’t healthy and that you should diet. There is no known long term health benefit to losing weight, even for people who keep it off. However, many of the diets out there (Keto in particular), are known to increase your risk of heart attack and death. The extra weight leads to stronger muscles and bones too, which is part of the reason they think overweight and mildly obese people live longer.

You sound very fit and healthy. Don’t be fooled by pop culture and the diet industry. Keep taking care of your body!

Is this a joke?

I am one of the PPs who is objectively overweight, and I am all for body positivity and against fat shaming, BUT one has to be honest with oneself. 80lbs overweight is not healthy, and such person would generally benefit from losing extra weight.

Prove it. Prove that an active and healthy person with a good diet would benefit from a 50lb weight loss.

I am very willing to believe it, but I can’t find any proof at all.

Because there is no proof. And the super common argument that diets to lose weight work are FALSE. If you generally eat healthy, and get moderate exercise, you are as healthy as it gets NO MATTER YOUR WEIGHT. Starving yourself and following a fad diet is WORSE for your health. This is incredibly well documented. Diets make people unhealthy in the long run. Most people gain back weight they lose on calorie restrictive diets.

This ridiculous trumpeting of "smaller bodies are healthier" is not true. Diets are much worse for people's health than a few extra pounds.

But we have been SO brainwashed that it's true, that people lose their minds when confronted with the fact that fat people can be healthy.

But most obese people don’t generally eat healthy and/or don’t get physical activity. That’s the problem.

Ok. But the poster who was 80lbs overweight does eat healthy, hikes, and does intense exercise regularly.

I’m the 80 pound overweight fatty. Yep. I’m active, find joy in moving my body, cook and eat healthy food, have the majority of health markers within the right range. And it’s still not good enough for fat shamers, because the size of my body doesn’t please their eyes or something.

I think it’s because, if they say that it’s good enough, then they can’t walk around feeling morally superior to fat people anymore. In fact, they have to come to terms with the fact that not only did they never have the moral high ground, they have pretty much been d!cks to a lot of people for most of their lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a quick look at all of the organizations that are totally wrong about the risks of obesity

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/obesity/index.cfm

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/symptoms-causes/syc-20375742


Thanks to the fat positive posters for pointing out their errors.

Yeah. They are wrong. Here is my issue with these articles. They say that people who are obese have a higher incidence of these illnesses. They don’t say that when obese people lose weight, the incidence goes down.

Look, these organizations exist within a larger social context. There are higher incidences of stroke and heart disease among African Americans as well, and these organizations will point out genetic and social causes, like physician bias and access to care.

Probably, the causes heart disease and stroke in these populations is multi factorial and have to do with genetics, SES, and access to care. But the answer is to spread awareness, not to say that everyone should try to look and act like a thin, white, cis man.

Do you have any peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals saying that obesity is not unhealthy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a quick look at all of the organizations that are totally wrong about the risks of obesity

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/obesity/index.cfm

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/symptoms-causes/syc-20375742


Thanks to the fat positive posters for pointing out their errors.

Yeah. They are wrong. Here is my issue with these articles. They say that people who are obese have a higher incidence of these illnesses. They don’t say that when obese people lose weight, the incidence goes down.

Look, these organizations exist within a larger social context. There are higher incidences of stroke and heart disease among African Americans as well, and these organizations will point out genetic and social causes, like physician bias and access to care.

Probably, the causes heart disease and stroke in these populations is multi factorial and have to do with genetics, SES, and access to care. But the answer is to spread awareness, not to say that everyone should try to look and act like a thin, white, cis man.

Do you have any peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals saying that obesity is not unhealthy?

Yes. I have one that says that losing weight does not lead to better health outcomes long term.
I posted it earlier, but there was a huge multi site prospective study that took place over ten years and included thousands of people. It was called “Look aHEAD” and it was funded by the NIH and published in New England Journal of Medicine.


There is also a population based study from the CDC that shows lower mortality rates overall for people who are overweight and no increase in mortality for a people with a BMI of 30-35.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23280227/

I promise you. I was as surprised as anyone to see this. Apparently this woman who published this study was later villanized for daring to publish her findings.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently the average american woman now has a 37.5 inche waist, up 2 inches, and now wears a 16 to 18. I find this really surprising, and a bit sad. Since the average American woman is also 5'4", that can't be good.


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17543266.2016.1214291?journalCode=tfdt20

So, at 5'7, size 6 with a 27 inch waist, I'm a skinny Minnie?!

Yes, but how coy. Surely you knew that..

Nope. Here in dcum land, anything over size 2 is "large", according to many disordered posters.i

+1, please see: every size/weight on this forum

[Anonymous]

Everyone is bigger now— even if you wear size 0.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/uk/fashion/a556302/chart-shows-shocking-change-in-clothing-sizes/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a quick look at all of the organizations that are totally wrong about the risks of obesity

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/obesity/index.cfm

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/symptoms-causes/syc-20375742


Thanks to the fat positive posters for pointing out their errors.

Yeah. They are wrong. Here is my issue with these articles. They say that people who are obese have a higher incidence of these illnesses. They don’t say that when obese people lose weight, the incidence goes down.

Look, these organizations exist within a larger social context. There are higher incidences of stroke and heart disease among African Americans as well, and these organizations will point out genetic and social causes, like physician bias and access to care.

Probably, the causes heart disease and stroke in these populations is multi factorial and have to do with genetics, SES, and access to care. But the answer is to spread awareness, not to say that everyone should try to look and act like a thin, white, cis man.

Do you have any peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals saying that obesity is not unhealthy?

Yes. I have one that says that losing weight does not lead to better health outcomes long term.
I posted it earlier, but there was a huge multi site prospective study that took place over ten years and included thousands of people. It was called “Look aHEAD” and it was funded by the NIH and published in New England Journal of Medicine.


There is also a population based study from the CDC that shows lower mortality rates overall for people who are overweight and no increase in mortality for a people with a BMI of 30-35.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23280227/

I promise you. I was as surprised as anyone to see this. Apparently this woman who published this study was later villanized for daring to publish her findings.

This is very interesting! I look a look at PPs link.

If you're 5'4", which I guess is average, you can weigh up to 170-ish and have a slightly lower mortality rate than "average" weight people. If you want to enjoy the same mortality rate as average weight people, you can weigh up to 200-ish at 5'4". Holy smokes!

I'm 5' and weigh 115, which isn't skinny for my height at all. So, eat more burritos??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a quick look at all of the organizations that are totally wrong about the risks of obesity

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/obesity/index.cfm

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/symptoms-causes/syc-20375742


Thanks to the fat positive posters for pointing out their errors.

Yeah. They are wrong. Here is my issue with these articles. They say that people who are obese have a higher incidence of these illnesses. They don’t say that when obese people lose weight, the incidence goes down.

Look, these organizations exist within a larger social context. There are higher incidences of stroke and heart disease among African Americans as well, and these organizations will point out genetic and social causes, like physician bias and access to care.

Probably, the causes heart disease and stroke in these populations is multi factorial and have to do with genetics, SES, and access to care. But the answer is to spread awareness, not to say that everyone should try to look and act like a thin, white, cis man.

Do you have any peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals saying that obesity is not unhealthy?

Yes. I have one that says that losing weight does not lead to better health outcomes long term.
I posted it earlier, but there was a huge multi site prospective study that took place over ten years and included thousands of people. It was called “Look aHEAD” and it was funded by the NIH and published in New England Journal of Medicine.


There is also a population based study from the CDC that shows lower mortality rates overall for people who are overweight and no increase in mortality for a people with a BMI of 30-35.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23280227/

I promise you. I was as surprised as anyone to see this. Apparently this woman who published this study was later villanized for daring to publish her findings.

This is very interesting! I look a look at PPs link.

If you're 5'4", which I guess is average, you can weigh up to 170-ish and have a slightly lower mortality rate than "average" weight people. If you want to enjoy the same mortality rate as average weight people, you can weigh up to 200-ish at 5'4". Holy smokes!

I'm 5' and weigh 115, which isn't skinny for my height at all. So, eat more burritos??

Lol…that was not my takeaway. I was thinking that the differences aren’t really that substantial in any group, and if you really wanted to focus on public health, you should spend more time on access to care and compliance with the interventions that we know actually work.
In the ten year study, the participants had 1/2 the cardiac events of the general clinic population, probably because they were more compliant with medication and follow up. There are tons of interventions that really do work and help people stay healthy. Hopefully, more studies like this will come out and popular opinion and doctors opinions will change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a quick look at all of the organizations that are totally wrong about the risks of obesity

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/obesity/index.cfm

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/symptoms-causes/syc-20375742


Thanks to the fat positive posters for pointing out their errors.

Yeah. They are wrong. Here is my issue with these articles. They say that people who are obese have a higher incidence of these illnesses. They don’t say that when obese people lose weight, the incidence goes down.

Look, these organizations exist within a larger social context. There are higher incidences of stroke and heart disease among African Americans as well, and these organizations will point out genetic and social causes, like physician bias and access to care.

Probably, the causes heart disease and stroke in these populations is multi factorial and have to do with genetics, SES, and access to care. But the answer is to spread awareness, not to say that everyone should try to look and act like a thin, white, cis man.

Do you have any peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals saying that obesity is not unhealthy?

Yes. I have one that says that losing weight does not lead to better health outcomes long term.
I posted it earlier, but there was a huge multi site prospective study that took place over ten years and included thousands of people. It was called “Look aHEAD” and it was funded by the NIH and published in New England Journal of Medicine.


There is also a population based study from the CDC that shows lower mortality rates overall for people who are overweight and no increase in mortality for a people with a BMI of 30-35.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23280227/

I promise you. I was as surprised as anyone to see this. Apparently this woman who published this study was later villanized for daring to publish her findings.

This is very interesting! I look a look at PPs link.

If you're 5'4", which I guess is average, you can weigh up to 170-ish and have a slightly lower mortality rate than "average" weight people. If you want to enjoy the same mortality rate as average weight people, you can weigh up to 200-ish at 5'4". Holy smokes!

I'm 5' and weigh 115, which isn't skinny for my height at all. So, eat more burritos??

I’m 5’6” and about 175. I’ve heard this before, about overweight actually having lower mortality, but I never saw the link. Thanks for posting. If anyone else is interested, the Maintenance Phase podcast debunks more of these myths.