Careers after college for athletes who attended top colleges

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I thought I’d address some of the posters on pages 5-10. First, lots of them forgot that I asked about athletes at top schools ONLY. Why? Because, as many knowledgeable and on-topic posters noted, athletes at top colleges are different from their peers at less-selective, athletic powerhouses, like UAlabama. Athletes at top colleges must meet the school’s regular academic standards. For example, I know a Princeton baseball recruit that needed a 1500 SAT to join the team. Also, these athletes don’t get scholarships. Second, many posters thought it was odd that I didn’t ask about majors. Apparently, they couldn’t make the connection between sport and career. The connection is that athletes are typically competitive, team-oriented, social, goal-oriented, positive/optimistic, and disciplined, all of which are prized traits in high-octane professional circles. Athletes also have to balance two rigorous activities - sports and athletics. That is very hard to do, and may show a commitment to a more balanced, interesting lifestyle. So, the major doesn’t matter because the employer is not hiring an athlete for their major. Instead, they’re hiring a really smart, attractive person with character who is likely to succeed. What about students at top schools with perfect grades? Well, that’s great for a PhD, but not for competitive business, law, and medicine. Just some thoughts.

We missed you, as this is hilarious…read it slowly to yourself and you may laugh at this too…I am a recruiter for a Fortune 500 megacorp, and we are not specifically looking for athletes. We are looking at majors / academic discipline and participation in organizations and internships related to the field. In all honesty, I’m more impressed by a candidate who worked through college than in someone who played a game through college. Several of my professional colleagues agree…unless you went to Alabama or other athletic powerhouse and played at a high level - which says a lot about handling the stress of business…we hire ivy grads for the academics, not the clubs or sports…

Perhaps, you recruit for programmers, engineers, and the like, but you certainly do not recruit for high-end consulting, finance, or big law.

Yeah, I go in looking for a left fielder…I’m talking big business here, but applies to all those as well. I used to recruit for Big 3, and again, your assumptions on hiring are broken…sorry…

Glad you think you’re funny. But, apparently you do go in looking for an officer of the pretzel club. Gotcha! Big 3 of what? Accounting firms that do ops consulting? Not what I’m talking about.

I’m sorry that you do not have a good handle on what big business and consulting firms are seeking…an ivy is very impressive, but the major has to match. We will not hire a non-business major for finance, for example, unless you have the experience (through internships, etc). No one will take a chance, just because you played a sport (or joined a sorority, or was captain of the pretzel club). Just the facts, here. What was your students major, BTW?

Re-read what you wrote. You WILL hire a non-business major for a finance job if they have experience through relevant internships. I never said that athletes at top schools don’t pursue internships. So, if you’re comparing a excellent economics student with minor extracurriculars at a top school to a history major who is also an athlete at a top school, who would you pick for an IB job, all else equal?

Let’s cut to the chase: what did your athlete child major in?

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And did he/she/they participate in any competitive internship programs? We all know he/she/they played a sport, as you lead with that. But, again, thats secondary, if that, to the other considerations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And did he/she/they participate in any competitive internship programs? We all know he/she/they played a sport, as you lead with that. But, again, thats secondary, if that, to the other considerations.

And let’s not forget GPA…

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Anonymous wrote:And did he/she/they participate in any competitive internship programs? We all know he/she/they played a sport, as you lead with that. But, again, thats secondary, if that, to the other considerations.

And let’s not forget GPA…

Well, you’re going to be disappointed because it has nothing to do with my child. It’s an observation, and I think many knowledgeable posters on this board corroborated it.

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Anonymous wrote:And did he/she/they participate in any competitive internship programs? We all know he/she/they played a sport, as you lead with that. But, again, thats secondary, if that, to the other considerations.

And let’s not forget GPA…

Well, you’re going to be disappointed because it has nothing to do with my child. It’s an observation, and I think many knowledgeable posters on this board corroborated it.

That’s 10-minutes of my life I will never get back…and looks like you voluntarily enjoy wasting yours. But, at least it all now makes sense, realizing you only don’t know what you are talking about because you don’t have any experience with this topic…all is right in the world again…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And did he/she/they participate in any competitive internship programs? We all know he/she/they played a sport, as you lead with that. But, again, thats secondary, if that, to the other considerations.

And let’s not forget GPA…

Well, you’re going to be disappointed because it has nothing to do with my child. It’s an observation, and I think many knowledgeable posters on this board corroborated it.

That’s 10-minutes of my life I will never get back…and looks like you voluntarily enjoy wasting yours. But, at least it all now makes sense, realizing you only don’t know what you are talking about because you don’t have any experience with this topic…all is right in the world again…

I don’t think I wasted your time. If anything, you seemed to delight in letting me know I’m wrong. And as for experience with the topic, plenty of posters corroborated my viewpoint, which began by reading a couple of papers on the topic. Also, let’s be clear: you never answered my final question, which was the punchline of the argument. Instead, you changed the topic and made this thread about my kid. Given your focus on my responses, including it’s venom, it seems like you’re angry about something. Maybe you can expound on that.

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Anonymous wrote:And did he/she/they participate in any competitive internship programs? We all know he/she/they played a sport, as you lead with that. But, again, thats secondary, if that, to the other considerations.

And let’s not forget GPA…

Well, you’re going to be disappointed because it has nothing to do with my child. It’s an observation, and I think many knowledgeable posters on this board corroborated it.

That’s 10-minutes of my life I will never get back…and looks like you voluntarily enjoy wasting yours. But, at least it all now makes sense, realizing you only don’t know what you are talking about because you don’t have any experience with this topic…all is right in the world again…

I don’t think I wasted your time. If anything, you seemed to delight in letting me know I’m wrong. And as for experience with the topic, plenty of posters corroborated my viewpoint, which began by reading a couple of papers on the topic. Also, let’s be clear: you never answered my final question, which was the punchline of the argument. Instead, you changed the topic and made this thread about my kid. Given your focus on my responses, including it’s venom, it seems like you’re angry about something. Maybe you can expound on that.

Yes, let’s waste some more time and analyze this nonsense. As someone who enjoys recruiting for a living, I was just trying to steer you back to reality, as you seemed to be misled (and enamored in other folks saying what you needed to hear). But, you are a poser - not really vested - as this was just for your entrainment. Kind of weird…

[Anonymous]

The recruiter is taking this thread a little too seriously. Lots of people ask questions or float hypotheses to get feedback. Also, the thread’s material might be helpful for others. The OP didn’t say anything about his/her child. Not sure why the recruiter was so insistent on that assumption. Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:The recruiter is taking this thread a little too seriously. Lots of people ask questions or float hypotheses to get feedback. Also, the thread’s material might be helpful for others. The OP didn’t say anything about his/her child. Not sure why the recruiter was so insistent on that assumption. Weird.

+1. But, the OP did start to get too involved with the whole reframing of the question and references back to specific responses. A little strange for someone just curious or “asking for a friend.” Too funny, nonetheless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What the OP doesn't seem to understand is that athletes are generally more outgoing and self-confident than many non-athletes, which makes them attractive people to others and masters at networking. And the name of the game at top colleges and in the business world is networking. So, good for them.

+1 And generally physically more attractive than average as well, since they are fit, which is always a boost career-wise.

Yeah, a little too much on both sides for such a random question. OP sucked a lot of folks in, especially the recruiter, but seems to have time to kill

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The recruiter is taking this thread a little too seriously. Lots of people ask questions or float hypotheses to get feedback. Also, the thread’s material might be helpful for others. The OP didn’t say anything about his/her child. Not sure why the recruiter was so insistent on that assumption. Weird.

+1. But, the OP did start to get too involved with the whole reframing of the question and references back to specific responses. A little strange for someone just curious or “asking for a friend.” Too funny, nonetheless.

I think it was OK for OP to address some of the earlier posts and questions, but it might have inadvertently bruised some egos. There were a number of posts that suggested it was all about major and goaded OP to come back and reveal all. Apparently, that was the recruiter, as they were on OP like maple syrup on hot cakes once OP posted and hounded the importance of major, which turned out to be a dud. Amusing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recruiter is taking this thread a little too seriously. Lots of people ask questions or float hypotheses to get feedback. Also, the thread’s material might be helpful for others. The OP didn’t say anything about his/her child. Not sure why the recruiter was so insistent on that assumption. Weird.

+1. But, the OP did start to get too involved with the whole reframing of the question and references back to specific responses. A little strange for someone just curious or “asking for a friend.” Too funny, nonetheless.

I think it was OK for OP to address some of the earlier posts and questions, but it might have inadvertently bruised some egos. There were a number of posts that suggested it was all about major and goaded OP to come back and reveal all. Apparently, that was the recruiter, as they were on OP like maple syrup on hot cakes once OP posted and hounded the importance of major, which turned out to be a dud. Amusing!

Thanks OP!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I thought I’d address some of the posters on pages 5-10. First, lots of them forgot that I asked about athletes at top schools ONLY. Why? Because, as many knowledgeable and on-topic posters noted, athletes at top colleges are different from their peers at less-selective, athletic powerhouses, like UAlabama. Athletes at top colleges must meet the school’s regular academic standards. For example, I know a Princeton baseball recruit that needed a 1500 SAT to join the team. Also, these athletes don’t get scholarships. Second, many posters thought it was odd that I didn’t ask about majors. Apparently, they couldn’t make the connection between sport and career. The connection is that athletes are typically competitive, team-oriented, social, goal-oriented, positive/optimistic, and disciplined, all of which are prized traits in high-octane professional circles. Athletes also have to balance two rigorous activities - sports and athletics. That is very hard to do, and may show a commitment to a more balanced, interesting lifestyle. So, the major doesn’t matter because the employer is not hiring an athlete for their major. Instead, they’re hiring a really smart, attractive person with character who is likely to succeed. What about students at top schools with perfect grades? Well, that’s great for a PhD, but not for competitive business, law, and medicine. Just some thoughts.

We missed you, as this is hilarious…read it slowly to yourself and you may laugh at this too…I am a recruiter for a Fortune 500 megacorp, and we are not specifically looking for athletes. We are looking at majors / academic discipline and participation in organizations and internships related to the field. In all honesty, I’m more impressed by a candidate who worked through college than in someone who played a game through college. Several of my professional colleagues agree…unless you went to Alabama or other athletic powerhouse and played at a high level - which says a lot about handling the stress of business…we hire ivy grads for the academics, not the clubs or sports…

Perhaps, you recruit for programmers, engineers, and the like, but you certainly do not recruit for high-end consulting, finance, or big law.

Yeah, I go in looking for a left fielder…I’m talking big business here, but applies to all those as well. I used to recruit for Big 3, and again, your assumptions on hiring are broken…sorry…

Glad you think you’re funny. But, apparently you do go in looking for an officer of the pretzel club. Gotcha! Big 3 of what? Accounting firms that do ops consulting? Not what I’m talking about.

I’m sorry that you do not have a good handle on what big business and consulting firms are seeking…an ivy is very impressive, but the major has to match. We will not hire a non-business major for finance, for example, unless you have the experience (through internships, etc). No one will take a chance, just because you played a sport (or joined a sorority, or was captain of the pretzel club). Just the facts, here. What was your students major, BTW?

Re-read what you wrote. You WILL hire a non-business major for a finance job if they have experience through relevant internships. I never said that athletes at top schools don’t pursue internships. So, if you’re comparing a excellent economics student with minor extracurriculars at a top school to a history major who is also an athlete at a top school, who would you pick for an IB job, all else equal?

Let’s cut to the chase: what did your athlete child major in?

DP. You are coming across kind of weird here by continually insisting on this, FWIW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The recruiter is taking this thread a little too seriously. Lots of people ask questions or float hypotheses to get feedback. Also, the thread’s material might be helpful for others. The OP didn’t say anything about his/her child. Not sure why the recruiter was so insistent on that assumption. Weird.

+1

Recruiter is coming across as weird.

[Anonymous]

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