Official Ebola update thread
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Anonymous
Quick intervention would have been Spencer not going bowling when he felt "fatigued." Quick intervention would have been CDC personally checking up on Vinson when she called them to report a low-grade fever. Not giving her the clear to fly that same day because the fever wasn't over 100.4 yet. Human errors. We were just lucky. And it's only been 8 days since Spencer bowled. And as for these HCW, we don't know if they had a quick intervention or not: A total of 523 health-care workers (HCWs) are known to have been infected with EVD up to the end of 29 October: 82 in Guinea; 299 in Liberia; 11 in Nigeria; 127 in Sierra Leone; one in Spain; and three in the United States of America (two were infected in the USA and one in Guinea). A total of 269 HCWs have died. http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/137424/1/roadmapsitrep_31Oct2014_eng.pdf?ua=1 |
Anonymous
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A fixed idea is a belief that will not move, no matter what the evidence. The person who believes that medical workers should be locked up has a fixed idea, that probably started with "the CDC is lying to us" and we all need a safe house for the post-apocalyptic Ebola-scape. There were quite a few of those folks in the beginning but they've drifted away as the facts got in the way of their fears. I think there's just one poster left with the fixed idea that there's some kind of significant threat to us ( as opposed to the truly threatened people in Africa).
As for staying away from health workers -- obviously thats your choice. Given the reporters who were swarming around her and in her face, I get the sense that not a lot of people think thats necessary. |
Anonymous
Reportedly, per news outlets citing a state filing, her roommate in Africa contracted the disease. We're in the realm of politics... |
Anonymous
| A Nobel Prize winning scientist supports the state quarantines, apparently. That's kind of science-y, I guess. |
Anonymous
A Nobel prize winning scientist thought massive doses of vitamin C could prevent cancer and followed his own advice. Turns out massive doses of vitamin C increase your risk of cancer, and thats what he died of. Believing something because one scientist (what is his area? if its not infectious diseases, I don't care) is sciency. Its not science. |
Anonymous
Director of the Center for the Genetics of Host Defense at a medical center in Texas. Basically, all he is doing is expressing some skepticism about the notion that we know everything we need to know about the approach toward quarantining. I'd take his opinion over those whose science experience ended with biology or geology lab in college, for instance (which I'm guessing is many people). It's just one competing view. |
Anonymous
A geneticist. I would take the opinion of infectious disease specialists over a geneticist. |
Anonymous
It depends what the issue is. |
Anonymous
| The issue is Ebola. |
Anonymous
| I think the issue is fear, in spite of evidence. |
Anonymous
| I think the issue is evidence and finding a rational response. We go with the best evidence and facts as we know them, but also, as the Nobel prize winner more or less says, we proceed with caution and not hubris. The human impulse to point fingers and make fun of people for fear is often a mask for people's own insecurities. In other words, sit back and let others do the dirty work. |
Anonymous
That's not true. MSF's policy is NOT self-quarantine. They do say they "discourage" returning to work for 21 days - but NOT out of concern for patients! They say it's to avoid "stress" (to the health care worker and his collegues, not to patients!) if the health care worker comes down with the flu or some other sickness while they are treating US patients during the incubation period, and mistakenly thinks they have Ebola. So according to MSF it would be ABSOLUTELY FINE to step off a plane from an Ebola clinic in Guinea and go straight to treating babies in the NICU, or labor and delivery floor, or pediatrician's office. Read the policy for yourself: http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/article/msf-protocols-staff-returning-ebola-affected-countries MSF is an amazing organization, and deserve our support. BUT they need to accept that citizens in the home countries of their volunteers have rights as well. |
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Do you trust the opinion of these folks?
STANFORD, Calif. (AP) -- Top medical experts studying the spread of Ebola say the public should expect more cases to emerge in the United States by year's end as infected people arrive here from West Africa, including American doctors and nurses returning from the hot zone and people fleeing from the deadly disease. But how many cases? No one knows for sure how many infections will emerge in the U.S. or anywhere else, but scientists have made educated guesses based on data models that weigh hundreds of variables, including daily new infections in West Africa, airline traffic worldwide and transmission possibilities. This week, several top infectious disease experts ran simulations for The Associated Press that predicted as few as one or two additional infections by the end of 2014 to a worst-case scenario of 130. "I don't think there's going to be a huge outbreak here, no," said Dr. David Relman, a professor of infectious disease, microbiology and immunology at Stanford University's medical school. "However, as best we can tell right now, it is quite possible that every major city will see at least a handful of cases." ... These predictions may be okay with some people; due to law of averages your chance of contracting Ebola is slim. Especially if you don't live in a large city. It's not okay with my family. We have a lot of nurses and with the 2-day Kaiser strike for safer Ebola training set for next month, I am very concerned as to what will happen if we get the worst-case scenario-- cases in the hundreds and nurses start refusing to treat. |
Anonymous
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_HOW_BAD_CAN_IT_GET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-01-10-25-24 |
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