Official Ebola update thread

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Anonymous wrote:Per CNN, Canada has stopped processing visas from Rbola hot spots. If somewhere as liberal as Canada is doing it, why can't we? It will not affect American health workers going back and forth so that worry is groundless.

I dunno. During the GWB years, the typical conservative response to policy criticism was along the lines of "Git out and take your pinko butts to Canada".
Now, I kind of wish I had done so.

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Last Updated Oct 29, 2014 8:18 AM EDT

By Sarah Dutton, Jennifer De Pinto, Anthony Salvanto and Fred Backus

A new CBS News poll finds that Americans overwhelmingly support quarantine for travelers arriving from West Africa. Eighty percent think U.S. citizens and legal residents returning from West Africa should be quarantined upon their arrival in the U.S. until it is certain they don't have Ebola. Just 17 percent think they should be allowed to enter as long as they do not show symptoms of Ebola.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/do-americans-believe-there-should-be-a-quarantine-to-deal-with-ebola/

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/30/cdc-ebola_n_6078072.html

First of all, Huff Post has posted quite a few articles claiming vaccines cause autism. So take anything you read there with a grain of salt.

Second, the point is that Ebola is NOT airborne. This whole think about droplets would mislead the public. NO ONE has contracted Ebola from a sneeze.

You don't know if anyone has contracted it through sneezing.

The science says it is in saliva and mucus. And if that is wrong, the conclusion becomes: we don't know all of "the science" yet.

But we're importing it anyway through casual travel and individual HCW traveling as they please. Hickox wants to bike. Spencer and Vinson chose subway, plane. Do we know their moment of contagiousness?

Seriously, if it could be spread through a sneeze, there would be MILLIONS infected in Africa. There hasn't even been 15k sickened.

It is present in saliva and mucus secretions.

Yes, but that mucuous would need to go straight into a cut, a mouth, an eye. The HCW's aren't going around licking subway handrails hoping someone will touch it immediately and then stick their finger in their mouth.

Could it go: vomit or sneeze --> hand --> surface --> second person's hand --> second person's face? How long does the virus live on surfaces? Doesn't it depend on temperature and humidity?

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Those of you whipping up hysteria, you do know that Hickox is not the first medical worker treating Ebola patients in Africa to return to the US. Dozens have returned, for months, and they haven't been in quarantine and they haven't infected anyone. We also have dozens of doctors and nurses who have treated ebola patients in this country. They haven't been quarantined and they haven't infected anyone.

No medical worker here has transmitted ebola, not a one. And they are walking around amongst us.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's some science. Assuming that Lancet is an acceptable source for most everyone here.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10881895/

Abstract
BACKGROUND: Ebola virus is one of the most virulent pathogens, killing a very high proportion of patients within 5-7 days. Two outbreaks of fulminating haemorrhagic fever occurred in northern Gabon in 1996, with a 70% case-fatality rate. During both outbreaks we identified some individuals in direct contact with sick patients who never developed symptoms. We aimed to determine whether these individuals were indeed infected with Ebola virus, and how they maintained asymptomatic status.

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INTERPRETATION: This study showed that asymptomatic, replicative Ebola infection can and does occur in human beings. The lack of genetic differences between symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals suggest that asymptomatic Ebola infection did not result from viral mutations. Elucidation of the factors related to the genesis of the strong inflammatory response occurring early during the infectious process in these asymptomatic individuals could increase our understanding of the disease.

Did they have enough copies of the virus to infect someone else?

Click and read for yourself.

I read it before asking that question. It doesn't talk about viral load, which is quite relevant to someone being contagious. A western blot does not check for viral load. If someone has it and is asymptomatic, can they infect someone else through everyday contact? I don't think that's possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/30/cdc-ebola_n_6078072.html

First of all, Huff Post has posted quite a few articles claiming vaccines cause autism. So take anything you read there with a grain of salt.

Second, the point is that Ebola is NOT airborne. This whole think about droplets would mislead the public. NO ONE has contracted Ebola from a sneeze.

You don't know if anyone has contracted it through sneezing.

The science says it is in saliva and mucus. And if that is wrong, the conclusion becomes: we don't know all of "the science" yet.

But we're importing it anyway through casual travel and individual HCW traveling as they please. Hickox wants to bike. Spencer and Vinson chose subway, plane. Do we know their moment of contagiousness?

Seriously, if it could be spread through a sneeze, there would be MILLIONS infected in Africa. There hasn't even been 15k sickened.

It is present in saliva and mucus secretions.

Yes, but that mucuous would need to go straight into a cut, a mouth, an eye. The HCW's aren't going around licking subway handrails hoping someone will touch it immediately and then stick their finger in their mouth.

Could it go: vomit or sneeze --> hand --> surface --> second person's hand --> second person's face? How long does the virus live on surfaces? Doesn't it depend on temperature and humidity?

It doesn't live on dry surfaces very long. It needs to be in fluid to survive for very long.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you whipping up hysteria, you do know that Hickox is not the first medical worker treating Ebola patients in Africa to return to the US. Dozens have returned, for months, and they haven't been in quarantine and they haven't infected anyone. We also have dozens of doctors and nurses who have treated ebola patients in this country. They haven't been quarantined and they haven't infected anyone.

No medical worker here has transmitted ebola, not a one. And they are walking around amongst us.

That's not entirely correct. Five have been put in isolation because they came back with Ebla or developed it soon after.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you whipping up hysteria, you do know that Hickox is not the first medical worker treating Ebola patients in Africa to return to the US. Dozens have returned, for months, and they haven't been in quarantine and they haven't infected anyone. We also have dozens of doctors and nurses who have treated ebola patients in this country. They haven't been quarantined and they haven't infected anyone.

No medical worker here has transmitted ebola, not a one. And they are walking around amongst us.

That's not entirely correct. Five have been put in isolation because they came back with Ebla or developed it soon after.

They had symptoms. In other words, the system worked -- they monitored themselves. They did not have enforced quarantines.

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Possible case in Oregon:
http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/10/patient_hospitalized_in_oregon_1.html

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you whipping up hysteria, you do know that Hickox is not the first medical worker treating Ebola patients in Africa to return to the US. Dozens have returned, for months, and they haven't been in quarantine and they haven't infected anyone. We also have dozens of doctors and nurses who have treated ebola patients in this country. They haven't been quarantined and they haven't infected anyone.

No medical worker here has transmitted ebola, not a one. And they are walking around amongst us.

That's not entirely correct. Five have been put in isolation because they came back with Ebla or developed it soon after.

They had symptoms. In other words, the system worked -- they monitored themselves. They did not have enforced quarantines.

Four of them became sick in Africa and were transferred here, has nothing to do with self monitoring. The other was out playing bowling the night before.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you whipping up hysteria, you do know that Hickox is not the first medical worker treating Ebola patients in Africa to return to the US. Dozens have returned, for months, and they haven't been in quarantine and they haven't infected anyone. We also have dozens of doctors and nurses who have treated ebola patients in this country. They haven't been quarantined and they haven't infected anyone.

No medical worker here has transmitted ebola, not a one. And they are walking around amongst us.

That's not entirely correct. Five have been put in isolation because they came back with Ebla or developed it soon after.

They had Ebola, but they didn't infect anyone. They monitored their own health and took themselves to the hospital when they were symptomatic. If you don't trust their professionalism, trust their self interest. They know that quick intervention is important and will get it as soon as they are symptomatic and contagious.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you whipping up hysteria, you do know that Hickox is not the first medical worker treating Ebola patients in Africa to return to the US. Dozens have returned, for months, and they haven't been in quarantine and they haven't infected anyone. We also have dozens of doctors and nurses who have treated ebola patients in this country. They haven't been quarantined and they haven't infected anyone.

No medical worker here has transmitted ebola, not a one. And they are walking around amongst us.

That's not entirely correct. Five have been put in isolation because they came back with Ebla or developed it soon after.

They had symptoms. In other words, the system worked -- they monitored themselves. They did not have enforced quarantines.

Four of them became sick in Africa and were transferred here, has nothing to do with self monitoring. The other was out playing bowling the night before.

And yet no one at the bowling alley got Ebola.

Lighten up, Francis.

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Anonymous wrote:Science: +1
Paranoid dingbats: 0

The judge made the right and appropriate call. This is precisely why I fear having even (very, very marginally) "moderate" conservatives like Christie in office. You cannot make medical and civil liberties decisions based on "feelings," especially when those "feelings" run contrary to all scientific fact.

But yoy have no problem doing just this with the 2nd, with racism, and with sexism

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And tbe judge did make the right call. Would you support the people in her town staying away from her if they choose? Restaurant owners choosing not to allow her in?

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/30/cdc-ebola_n_6078072.html

First of all, Huff Post has posted quite a few articles claiming vaccines cause autism. So take anything you read there with a grain of salt.

Second, the point is that Ebola is NOT airborne. This whole think about droplets would mislead the public. NO ONE has contracted Ebola from a sneeze.

You don't know if anyone has contracted it through sneezing.

The science says it is in saliva and mucus. And if that is wrong, the conclusion becomes: we don't know all of "the science" yet.

But we're importing it anyway through casual travel and individual HCW traveling as they please. Hickox wants to bike. Spencer and Vinson chose subway, plane. Do we know their moment of contagiousness?

Seriously, if it could be spread through a sneeze, there would be MILLIONS infected in Africa. There hasn't even been 15k sickened.

It is present in saliva and mucus secretions.

Yes, but that mucuous would need to go straight into a cut, a mouth, an eye. The HCW's aren't going around licking subway handrails hoping someone will touch it immediately and then stick their finger in their mouth.

Could it go: vomit or sneeze --> hand --> surface --> second person's hand --> second person's face? How long does the virus live on surfaces? Doesn't it depend on temperature and humidity?

It doesn't live on dry surfaces very long. It needs to be in fluid to survive for very long.

For the record, dry surface lifespan is "several hours."

Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dry surfaces, such as doorknobs and countertops, can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you whipping up hysteria, you do know that Hickox is not the first medical worker treating Ebola patients in Africa to return to the US. Dozens have returned, for months, and they haven't been in quarantine and they haven't infected anyone. We also have dozens of doctors and nurses who have treated ebola patients in this country. They haven't been quarantined and they haven't infected anyone.

No medical worker here has transmitted ebola, not a one. And they are walking around amongst us.

That's not entirely correct. Five have been put in isolation because they came back with Ebla or developed it soon after.

They had Ebola, but they didn't infect anyone. They monitored their own health and took themselves to the hospital when they were symptomatic. If you don't trust their professionalism, trust their self interest. They know that quick intervention is important and will get it as soon as they are symptomatic and contagious.

Why should I trust them? Hickox and Spencer acted irresponsibly. When the issue is a fatal disease for which we currently have no vaccine or cure, it is downright stupid to trust that no human error will ever happen from their irresponsibility.

A responsible nurse would self-quarantine, but she doesn't want to, but she just wants me to trust her. Ok...