RTO question

[Anonymous]

For those of you have RTO in office requirements - what happens to employees that halfway follow them? One of my colleagues barely comes in but does come in, while the others are pushing themselves to do what is required. Are the other colleagues just suckers?

Not a fed agency.

[Anonymous]

We PIP them and they get fired eventually. But we have never done WFH so it's just people being lax with their time.
Also we don't give laptops, so you work at work and can't bring it home.

[Anonymous]

Nobody has ever tried to my knowledge but I know once there was some confusion if someone was AWOL when they were actually on leave.

[Anonymous]

Its the halfway compliant people I am wondering about. For example if you have a 3 day a week requirement and someone consistently comes in 2 and that is it. That sort of thing. Its consistently not doing exactly what is asked, but doing most of it.

[Anonymous]

At my mega corp it is not enforced at all beyond the preferences of the individual managers and most don't really seem to care. I suspect they would probably pull it up as a pretextual reason to fire someone they wanted to get rid of though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its the halfway compliant people I am wondering about. For example if you have a 3 day a week requirement and someone consistently comes in 2 and that is it. That sort of thing. Its consistently not doing exactly what is asked, but doing most of it.

They might have a special arrangement.

1. Taking a college or grad school class

2. Accommodation

3. Medical issue (going through treatment or PT; mental health issue therapy day)

4. Strategically using leave (1/2 day or a couple hours of PTO for something)

5. STD and FMLA can be scheduled as intermittent leave

Regardless, most of the time the people who are regularly in the office are recognized as the high flyers (and least likely to be kicked to the curb).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We PIP them and they get fired eventually. But we have never done WFH so it's just people being lax with their time.
Also we don't give laptops, so you work at work and can't bring it home.

This isn’t a performance issue, this is a conduct issue.

We have ran the numbers on hours worked and people have been suspended or had to pay back time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We PIP them and they get fired eventually. But we have never done WFH so it's just people being lax with their time.
Also we don't give laptops, so you work at work and can't bring it home.

This isn’t a performance issue, this is a conduct issue.

We have ran the numbers on hours worked and people have been suspended or had to pay back time.

"We have ran"?
I hope you're not in charge of decisions.

[Anonymous]

I will admit that I am a fed struggling a lot with full-time RTO that primarily manifests in me not always getting to the office right on time. My manager doesn't care and my ratings are still good and I always make up the time at the end of the day, but they said at my agency that they're going to start monitoring badge swipe-ins so I'm scrambling to improve my timeliness (we don't swipe out, so they can't tell when people leave early which is also weird).

I can't imagine anyone at my org simply not coming in at all, or not coming in for the five days a week when they haven't already filed for leave - that would get flagged immediately. I also always put a sign or note on my cube when I'm taking leave so it's clear why the cube is empty just in case anyone wonders (we all do that).

I am actively looking for other jobs with more flexibility because with traffic frustrations and the telework inflexibility I am losing my mind and struggling with work much more than I was before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its the halfway compliant people I am wondering about. For example if you have a 3 day a week requirement and someone consistently comes in 2 and that is it. That sort of thing. Its consistently not doing exactly what is asked, but doing most of it.

They might have an exception due to be star employees or due an ADA or FMLA thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will admit that I am a fed struggling a lot with full-time RTO that primarily manifests in me not always getting to the office right on time. My manager doesn't care and my ratings are still good and I always make up the time at the end of the day, but they said at my agency that they're going to start monitoring badge swipe-ins so I'm scrambling to improve my timeliness (we don't swipe out, so they can't tell when people leave early which is also weird).

I can't imagine anyone at my org simply not coming in at all, or not coming in for the five days a week when they haven't already filed for leave - that would get flagged immediately. I also always put a sign or note on my cube when I'm taking leave so it's clear why the cube is empty just in case anyone wonders (we all do that).

I am actively looking for other jobs with more flexibility because with traffic frustrations and the telework inflexibility I am losing my mind and struggling with work much more than I was before.

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I'm curious if you were full-time in office before, and didn't have trouble? Or has something changed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will admit that I am a fed struggling a lot with full-time RTO that primarily manifests in me not always getting to the office right on time. My manager doesn't care and my ratings are still good and I always make up the time at the end of the day, but they said at my agency that they're going to start monitoring badge swipe-ins so I'm scrambling to improve my timeliness (we don't swipe out, so they can't tell when people leave early which is also weird).

I can't imagine anyone at my org simply not coming in at all, or not coming in for the five days a week when they haven't already filed for leave - that would get flagged immediately. I also always put a sign or note on my cube when I'm taking leave so it's clear why the cube is empty just in case anyone wonders (we all do that).

I am actively looking for other jobs with more flexibility because with traffic frustrations and the telework inflexibility I am losing my mind and struggling with work much more than I was before.

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I'm curious if you were full-time in office before, and didn't have trouble? Or has something changed?

Many feds that are in telework eligible positions had some form of telework pre-COVID. Now there is 0 TW for anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you have RTO in office requirements - what happens to employees that halfway follow them? One of my colleagues barely comes in but does come in, while the others are pushing themselves to do what is required. Are the other colleagues just suckers?

Not a fed agency.

I’m a consultant and at my company those who don’t go meet the RTO minimum are ineligible for the highest year end rating which lowers your raise/bonus by 1-2%. FWIW, my company is 3 days a week RTO but I go in 0-2 times per week since I’m working on projects with people from other states. It’s not an efficient use of time for us to go to the office when we are just going to be calling each other on teams anyways. I do go in 3-5 days a week when I’m working with a local team.

You’re not a sucker for RTO since the company could easily fire those who are non-compliant.

[Anonymous]

I’m at a private company considered in-person with a 3-day requirement. We could be remote, it’s our choice. Most of my team is remote. I only go in 1-2 days a week. If they switch me to remote, I won’t come in at all. My manager doesn’t seem to care. I’ve heard the office manager has switched people at a lower level who never come in, but they haven’t switched me and no one has talked to me about it. The only benefits are parking, easier security and some free food, and I’m sure my manager pays some desk allocation for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you have RTO in office requirements - what happens to employees that halfway follow them? One of my colleagues barely comes in but does come in, while the others are pushing themselves to do what is required. Are the other colleagues just suckers?

Not a fed agency.

I’m a consultant and at my company those who don’t go meet the RTO minimum are ineligible for the highest year end rating which lowers your raise/bonus by 1-2%. FWIW, my company is 3 days a week RTO but I go in 0-2 times per week since I’m working on projects with people from other states. It’s not an efficient use of time for us to go to the office when we are just going to be calling each other on teams anyways. I do go in 3-5 days a week when I’m working with a local team.

You’re not a sucker for RTO since the company could easily fire those who are non-compliant.

Sure but this is almost everyone working in an office these days.