Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Actually, under UN Resolution 194, they do. They can either return to their homes or receive compensation. And in the case of Palestinians, we're not talking only about "ancestral lands," as in the lands of their ancestors. We're talking about their OWN lands, where they lived as young children and from which their parents and grandparents were evicted (or murdered) by Zionist terrorists (like the Irgun and Alexandroni Brigade) and the IDF. Also, it's under 80 years for many of those evicted during the Nakba. 80 years is very different from 2,000 years.

Excellent.

So Pakistanis also have the right to reclaim their family lands in India.

And we'll unwind the map of Africa to reapportion land ownership to reflect the end of the colonial period?

Splendid idea.

Anybody violently evicted from their homes and forced out of their homelands in the recent past should absolutely have the same options offered by UN Resolution 194. That is, they should either have the right of return or receive compensation. In my opinion, Native Americans should receive far more reparations than the occasional scant handouts they've been granted so far. If you want to talk about justice since the end of the colonial period, we agree.

Things get absurd when you try to go back 2,000 years to reclaim the land where a percentage of your ancestors may have once lived, and they really get ugly when you feel entitled to evict or butcher the people you used to share the land with, but who remained there from that time onward. It's worth considering where all of our ancestors lived 2,000 years ago. If you assume 25 years per generation, that's 80 generations and means we all have a LOT of ancestors who lived back then. The world population was much smaller at that time (perhaps 150 to 300 million). It's easy to see how closely related people living in what is now Israel must have been. My own ancestors probably lived in the Middle East and Europe, and I have distant cousins today who are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, a few other religions, and (mostly) secular. Trying to establish land ownership after 80 generations is virtually impossible. However, there are people alive today who were violently forced out of Palestine by the IDF and had all but the clothes on their backs stolen from them, and they cannot even visit the homes where they used to live. That is clearly an injustice that needs to be addressed.

So you favor a policy that would lead to civil wars across Africa, the ME, parts of Europe, and much of Asia?

Doesn't seem like the most humane approach to me.

Your idealism is...painful.

Land-grabbing by ethnosupremacist colonialists, often accompanied by the exploitation, eviction, and/or extermination of the indigenous population, hasn't exactly been a path to peace over human history. In fact, this process has led to horrific violence, as we see in Palestine/Israel.

Totally inapposite.

Umm (rolls eyes) ... yeah. Brilliant refutation. LOL

Refutation?

No interest in refuting—you’re quite correct.

Problem is that your argument is at best tangentially related to the prior discussion.

Am I to conclude that you’ve abandoned the argument that we should redraw borders across the globe to right the wrongs of the colonial era?

How is pointing out that "exploitation, eviction, and/or extermination of the indigenous population hasn't exactly been a path to peace over human history" not directly related to this discussion? The eviction and extermination parts (ongoing since the Nakba) are what have led to the current untenable and unstable situation in Palestine/Israel. It is a straw man to claim I've argued we should "redraw borders." I've argued instead for the right of return or compensation. As an example, I think Native American nations should receive reparations in instances where the U.S. government has violated land treaties, which seems more practical than, for example, carving out an independent Arapahoe/Cheyenne state 173 years after a treaty effectively granting them a specific area of land was signed. Of course, the Native Americans can live freely on that land today. There are also cases where redrawing borders has, in fact, been the just solution. For example, the borders of what were Bantustans in apartheid South Africa were dissolved, and now people who needed special passes to leave those areas can move freely about the country.

It has to be a mixture of both- the back hills and other national parks that were were strongly tricked or pressured away from them should be returned to Native American control and the indigenous people of Mexico, Canada and the US should be encouraged to work in concert in a G7 type body and all monetary reparations should be made and tribes that were purged from the rolls after WW2 should be reinstated and their desendants are owed compensation. It is also of note though that Cherokee and other tribes who were herded into Oklahoma are free if they have teh money to purchases land in Georgia, Tennessee etc. They also can marry Americans, they have full citizenship and can marry a person from overseas and bring them here. Arabs in Israel can do none of these things, reparations and a right to return are not on the radar, Israel is as apartheid state.

What are you talking about? The 2m Israeli Arabs have full rights. Are you seriously unaware of that? You’ve clearly never been to Israel.

No they dont- Jews and Arabs arent allowed to marry, a Jewish Israelis is prohibited from selling his/her property to an Arab Israeli, it is actually illegal but can sell to any other jewish person from all over the world. there are certain markets and streets that prohibit passage for Arabs, as in someone who looks Arab cannot walk there. This is in Israel proper and not the brutal and illegal occupation and opposition to a Palestinian state which is a whole other story or apartheid.

That is incorrect information.

Please explain how?

You Google it and show us what you said is substantiated and not twisted to fit your perverse views.

It’s also rather rich what you allege considering that the PA instituted in 1997 the death penalty for selling any land to Jews, and Israelis are not allowed in any area of the West Bank under PA control.

You clearly have not spent time in Israel to understand the overwhelmingly peaceful co-existence on a daily basis between Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs.

Seeing how settlers behave in the West Bank, I’d say the PA was entirely right to ban Israeli entry.

Israelis are still entering. The PA has no army. Unfortunately, Hamas is the only way to rid the settlements at this point. Israel doesn’t respect peaceful Palestinian movements

[Anonymous]

If Israel didn’t allow settlers to expel Palestinians in the West Bank per Obama, Trump, and Bidens warnings to Bibi, the situation today would be much much easier for Israel. There’s still empty land in Israel not be used. I’m not sure why the settlers aren’t out there instead

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

Bill Ackman is on scene, taking witness statements, doxxing anyone who doesn't agree with Jewish exceptionalism, and preparing the lynching of Carol Folt.

Oh, never mind. I misunderstood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

Imagine if she had publicly supported the elimination of Taiwan. Or the Ukraine.

Not a chance she would be allowed to speak.

Same deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

Imagine if she had publicly supported the elimination of Taiwan. Or the Ukraine.

Not a chance she would be allowed to speak.

Same deal.

Cite your source please. All I see is a student with a high GPA who supports blood drives. Show her calling for the elimination of Israel, because the articles sure don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

Imagine if she had publicly supported the elimination of Taiwan. Or the Ukraine.

Not a chance she would be allowed to speak.

Same deal.

Also weird use of “the” before Ukraine. Ukraine is a country not a region, comrade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

Imagine if she had publicly supported the elimination of Taiwan. Or the Ukraine.

Not a chance she would be allowed to speak.

Same deal.

Cite your source please. All I see is a student with a high GPA who supports blood drives. Show her calling for the elimination of Israel, because the articles sure don’t.

That’s the underlying controversy here.

She had pinned/liked a statement calling for the abolition of Israel, which led some pro-Israel groups to protest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

Imagine if she had publicly supported the elimination of Taiwan. Or the Ukraine.

Not a chance she would be allowed to speak.

Same deal.

Cite your source please. All I see is a student with a high GPA who supports blood drives. Show her calling for the elimination of Israel, because the articles sure don’t.

That’s the underlying controversy here.

She had pinned/liked a statement calling for the abolition of Israel, which led some pro-Israel groups to protest.

Cite that source. That is not reported anywhere in the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

Imagine if she had publicly supported the elimination of Taiwan. Or the Ukraine.

Not a chance she would be allowed to speak.

Same deal.

Cite your source please. All I see is a student with a high GPA who supports blood drives. Show her calling for the elimination of Israel, because the articles sure don’t.

If they can sell the unabashed horseshit claim that anti-Zionism = anti-semitism, it's only natural that they will proceed on a land grab to next claim that expressing support for Palestinian dignity and rights = supporting the elimination of Israel and the annihilation of worldwide Jewry.

It's exhausting dealing with the misinformation, but thankfully the alternative is an appalling universe where this insidious movement rules us all. And ain't nobody got time for that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

Imagine if she had publicly supported the elimination of Taiwan. Or the Ukraine.

Not a chance she would be allowed to speak.

Same deal.

Cite your source please. All I see is a student with a high GPA who supports blood drives. Show her calling for the elimination of Israel, because the articles sure don’t.

That’s the underlying controversy here.

She had pinned/liked a statement calling for the abolition of Israel, which led some pro-Israel groups to protest.

Here’s what the article says:

“two campus pro-Israeli groups that cited her social media support for Palestinians.”

This could mean calling for a ceasefire, like the president or the United States. This could mean demanding humanitarian access like the Secretary of State. This could mean citing the absolute tragedy of the death of Hind Rajab (absolutely gutting reporting of that today in WaPo) so unless you have a citation of her explicitly supporting the violent elimination of Israel, please stop slandering a young woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pro Israelis got another one!

U.S.C. Cancels Valedictorian’s Speech After Jewish Groups Object
The university cited security concerns at the graduation. But the student, who is Muslim, said the school was “succumbing to a campaign of hate meant to silence my voice.”

The University of Southern California said it has canceled plans for a graduation speech by this year’s valedictorian, Asna Tabassum, who is Muslim. The school said the decision stemmed from security concerns, after several pro-Israeli groups objected to her social media posts supporting Palestinians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-speech-gaza-war.html

Can’t have those Muslims speaking up! They have to know their place.

This is appalling. Imagine the outrage if the same has been done to a Jewish student— there would be hearings before
Congress.

Imagine if she had publicly supported the elimination of Taiwan. Or the Ukraine.

Not a chance she would be allowed to speak.

Same deal.

Cite your source please. All I see is a student with a high GPA who supports blood drives. Show her calling for the elimination of Israel, because the articles sure don’t.

That’s the underlying controversy here.

She had pinned/liked a statement calling for the abolition of Israel, which led some pro-Israel groups to protest.

Here’s what the article says:

“two campus pro-Israeli groups that cited her social media support for Palestinians.”

This could mean calling for a ceasefire, like the president or the United States. This could mean demanding humanitarian access like the Secretary of State. This could mean citing the absolute tragedy of the death of Hind Rajab (absolutely gutting reporting of that today in WaPo) so unless you have a citation of her explicitly supporting the violent elimination of Israel, please stop slandering a young woman.

Lying is the national pastime for these people. When will y'all get it? Asking or demanding that they act honorably will never result in positive action.

[Anonymous]

Zero shock that 100+ Israeli hostages are *still* unaccounted for as the UN is considering Palestinian membership—the same UN that can’t even condemn Hamas.

Hamas started and owns this entire catastrophe, and could end this now by sending hostages home and surrendering.

[Anonymous]

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Zero shock that 100+ Israeli hostages are *still* unaccounted for as the UN is considering Palestinian membership—the same UN that can’t even condemn Hamas.

Hamas started and owns this entire catastrophe, and could end this now by sending hostages home and surrendering.

United States Senator fighting for the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. That's how this clown characterizes himself ... but it should read:

Also, Israel. Actually, only Israel. HUGE responsibility to the people of Israel. Don't ask why. Don't want to talk about it. I'll be on my roof waving a 6' x 8' flag of a foreign country that I have no connection to; I mean, other than the fact that this foreign country's lobbying in the U.S. fills my pockets with shekels. Don't all of you have flags of random foreign countries the size of a Cal King comforter in your house?!