FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

If they truly wanted to save transportation costs they would stop bussing kids all over the county to AAP center schools when their home school has level 4. For instance my kids walk to school but if we wanted we could choose to be bused to the center school 10 minutes away. Until this goes away a 2-9 minute savings on time for a handful of buses at most isn’t an argument

DP. +100
I just wrote something similar before seeing your post. It's almost (almost) amusing how this completely blatant waste of resources is staring the SB in the face. This should be the very first thing on the chopping block.

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Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

If they truly wanted to save transportation costs they would stop bussing kids all over the county to AAP center schools when their home school has level 4. For instance my kids walk to school but if we wanted we could choose to be bused to the center school 10 minutes away. Until this goes away a 2-9 minute savings on time for a handful of buses at most isn’t an argument

DP. +100
I just wrote something similar before seeing your post. It's almost (almost) amusing how this completely blatant waste of resources is staring the SB in the face. This should be the very first thing on the chopping block.

More likely they’ll just have AAP at every MS than that they will eliminate AAP centers at the ES level. The Parklawn ES boundary study the School Board is taking up tonight talks about adjusting the boundaries for two AAP centers (Belvedere and Canterbury Woods ES), not eliminating the centers.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

I completely agree. Bring students back to their base schools and offer equitable programs to all. Assess capacity and geographical tweaks then.

It’s no wonder the bus systems are so convoluted right now.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

If they truly wanted to save transportation costs they would stop bussing kids all over the county to AAP center schools when their home school has level 4. For instance my kids walk to school but if we wanted we could choose to be bused to the center school 10 minutes away. Until this goes away a 2-9 minute savings on time for a handful of buses at most isn’t an argument

DP. Regardless of transportation costs and commuting times, one assumes they may also be looking at getting kids at McLean and Marshall out of temporary classrooms, which could involve moving kids from those schools to Langley and Langley kids to Herndon.

Yep. This is the dominion effect of McLean having no where east nor south to expand. Building McLean, Langley and Marshall so close to each other has really backfired geographically. Langley will have to absorb McLean’s overcapacity which only further cuts part of Great Falls to Herndon.

Heck yeah! They made a huge mistake when they built Langley and Marshall so close to McLean. Those planners back in 1962 and 1965 were just straight up morons. How could they not envision demographics in these areas 60+ years later?

Anyway, as we’ve discussed before, those attendance islands could be moved to Langley and Falls Church to solve the McLean issue without overcrowding either school. I’m not advocating for that to happen, just saying that your domino effect theory is just propaganda.

All predictions on this thread for sure. But just looking at 2026-2030 CIP capacities for ALL schools shows the need for western migration. We are SO landlocked by Arlington and the Potomac to make any improvements within the beltway without this.

Timber Lane island going to Falls Church - get the popcorn ready.

The 2026-2030 CIP capacity projections are essentially worthless in light of:

- the trump administration’s reshaping the federal workforce,

- the “ripple effect” on adjacent private companies in FFX, and

- the local immigration crackdown (and indirect effect of driving people away, even if they are not personally detained or removed).

The boundary adjustment must be paused for a year.

[Anonymous]

They voted on the scoping last night for Coates and Parklawn boundary changes.

It’s complete amateur hour. The school board members treat Dr. Anderson totally different than the others, and completely disrespect her. They basically rubber stamped the Coates review while heavily scrutinizing the Parklawn one.

At the end they voted for the scoping, but it’s March, and they are just starting to work on this in earnest with a goal of implementation by August, but they’ve already started to waver on whether that is feasible in conjunction with the broader review.

There is no plan for how to integrate this into the broader study. The needed relief for these two schools is the type of boundary change that is actually direly needed, yet they are likely going to delay relief for a year, so that these changes can be consolidated into the broader study. So, instead of actually doing necessary boundary changes, the comprehensive boundary changes have prevented the timely implementation of actual changes that are needed now.

The next time you hear the school board say that the comprehensive review is needed, remember that they’ve forsaken kids in these two schools for the amorphous, undefined goals of the comprehensive review.

This school board is in way over its head here, and that’s just two schools that need to be adjusted. We’ve turned over the school board to a bunch of Gru minions.

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Anonymous wrote:They voted on the scoping last night for Coates and Parklawn boundary changes.

It’s complete amateur hour. The school board members treat Dr. Anderson totally different than the others, and completely disrespect her. They basically rubber stamped the Coates review while heavily scrutinizing the Parklawn one.

At the end they voted for the scoping, but it’s March, and they are just starting to work on this in earnest with a goal of implementation by August, but they’ve already started to waver on whether that is feasible in conjunction with the broader review.

There is no plan for how to integrate this into the broader study. The needed relief for these two schools is the type of boundary change that is actually direly needed, yet they are likely going to delay relief for a year, so that these changes can be consolidated into the broader study. So, instead of actually doing necessary boundary changes, the comprehensive boundary changes have prevented the timely implementation of actual changes that are needed now.

The next time you hear the school board say that the comprehensive review is needed, remember that they’ve forsaken kids in these two schools for the amorphous, undefined goals of the comprehensive review.

This school board is in way over its head here, and that’s just two schools that need to be adjusted. We’ve turned over the school board to a bunch of Gru minions.

It’s going to be a mess because whatever they decide with respect to grandfathering involving these two schools will either be viewed as creating a precedent for the larger study, or as subject to being negated in the larger study.

Amateur hour in FCPS, as usual. The schools that most need relief and attention get ignored. It’s not just these two ES.

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Anonymous wrote:They voted on the scoping last night for Coates and Parklawn boundary changes.

It’s complete amateur hour. The school board members treat Dr. Anderson totally different than the others, and completely disrespect her. They basically rubber stamped the Coates review while heavily scrutinizing the Parklawn one.

At the end they voted for the scoping, but it’s March, and they are just starting to work on this in earnest with a goal of implementation by August, but they’ve already started to waver on whether that is feasible in conjunction with the broader review.

There is no plan for how to integrate this into the broader study. The needed relief for these two schools is the type of boundary change that is actually direly needed, yet they are likely going to delay relief for a year, so that these changes can be consolidated into the broader study. So, instead of actually doing necessary boundary changes, the comprehensive boundary changes have prevented the timely implementation of actual changes that are needed now.

The next time you hear the school board say that the comprehensive review is needed, remember that they’ve forsaken kids in these two schools for the amorphous, undefined goals of the comprehensive review.

This school board is in way over its head here, and that’s just two schools that need to be adjusted. We’ve turned over the school board to a bunch of Gru minions.

Did they discuss what the new boundaries look like?

And how the heck can the scrutinize Parklawn? They are both 150%+ capacity with parklawn completely landlocked by APS.

This will be extremely telling of what the comprehensive review could look like.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

And you know what else is significant? The average middle school bus only carries 28 students in the morning and 30 in the afternoon. So half the busses are running half full.

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Once they end after school for middle school those buses will be fuller…

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

The AART at our ES was part time. She provided classes for all the kids, plus the LIII pull out, plus a LIV pull out because our school uses the cluster method. DS brought home projects in K-2 that were completed with the AART and enjoyed the LIII pull outs. She was busy, her time was not wasted.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

If they truly wanted to save transportation costs they would stop bussing kids all over the county to AAP center schools when their home school has level 4. For instance my kids walk to school but if we wanted we could choose to be bused to the center school 10 minutes away. Until this goes away a 2-9 minute savings on time for a handful of buses at most isn’t an argument

DP. Regardless of transportation costs and commuting times, one assumes they may also be looking at getting kids at McLean and Marshall out of temporary classrooms, which could involve moving kids from those schools to Langley and Langley kids to Herndon.

Yep. This is the dominion effect of McLean having no where east nor south to expand. Building McLean, Langley and Marshall so close to each other has really backfired geographically. Langley will have to absorb McLean’s overcapacity which only further cuts part of Great Falls to Herndon.

Heck yeah! They made a huge mistake when they built Langley and Marshall so close to McLean. Those planners back in 1962 and 1965 were just straight up morons. How could they not envision demographics in these areas 60+ years later?

Anyway, as we’ve discussed before, those attendance islands could be moved to Langley and Falls Church to solve the McLean issue without overcrowding either school. I’m not advocating for that to happen, just saying that your domino effect theory is just propaganda.

All predictions on this thread for sure. But just looking at 2026-2030 CIP capacities for ALL schools shows the need for western migration. We are SO landlocked by Arlington and the Potomac to make any improvements within the beltway without this.

Timber Lane island going to Falls Church - get the popcorn ready.

The 2026-2030 CIP capacity projections are essentially worthless in light of:

- the trump administration’s reshaping the federal workforce,

- the “ripple effect” on adjacent private companies in FFX, and

- the local immigration crackdown (and indirect effect of driving people away, even if they are not personally detained or removed).

The boundary adjustment must be paused for a year.

The scope of the Trump policies is yet to be determined. There are court rulings that could lead to lots of fired probationary employees returing to work. Departments that were cut are being re-hired because even DOGE is realizing that we need them. Non-Probationary employees from Departments that are being cut are being reassigned to other Departments. Many of the people who took the fork or who are taking early retirement don't have kids so their moving isn't going to change anything for the schools. And we have yet to see a real change in the class sizes at the heavy ELL schools due to the changes in border policy. While the classes might not grow, which is a good thing, I doubt that there weill be the significant decline people seem to expect.

The real issues are going to come from the Department of Education not providing the support for FARMs, SPED, and ELL that it has been providing. We already complain that the law requires the Federal Government to provide more then it does and the Department that funds the little bit that the Federal Government provides is being gutted. That means that there is going to be a large ripple effect into the County because there will be less funding for SPED, ELL, and FARMs students. If anything, that is going to cause this School Board to lean into redistricting to try and disperse the effected populations wider and decrease the overall effect.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

I completely agree. Bring students back to their base schools and offer equitable programs to all. Assess capacity and geographical tweaks then.

It’s no wonder the bus systems are so convoluted right now.

I would be happy to see Centers go away and students returned to their base schools, especially at the MS level. There are enough MS kids in AAP that every MS can run an AAP program with a good size cohort, they do not need Centers. I can see ES Centers for the areas with Title 1 schools because the gaps at those schools are so massive and the LIV classes are going to be significantly smaller. But there isn't a need at schools with a smaller FARMs rate. There are schools that place enough kids in LIV to have full classes or two classes, they don't need Centers. And a LLIV program would allow for more kids to be able to join the LIV class for areas that they are strong in.