Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:According to the boundary analysis report, a little bit over a third of respondents rated balancing diversity as "not important". The remaining two thirds appear to have rated it as at least somewhat important and 10% rated it as extremely important. People do want to balance demographics which include income, race, ethnicity and language background. The data also show that the people who rated balancing diversity as most important were not from Takoma Park or even Silver Spring, but from Burtonsville, Fairland and Colesville.

Yes, but the only people who ever respond to those surveys all live in the segregated school boundaries. The people keep electing people to the board who prioritize diversity because that reflects the county's true priorities.

True. 54% of respondents were from Bethesda, Potomac and Chevy Chase.

So, the survey only represents the feelings of people in wealthy areas whose kids attend the segregated schools.

Most of the 46% who DON'T live in Bethesda, Potomac, and Chevy Chase also don't want busing. Just one geographic area (Burtonsville) indicated that it might want busing but even they didn't feel too strongly about it.

There were no questions in the survey about MCPS providing bus service or about "busing" whatever TF you are pretending that means. Nearly two thirds of respondents felt that diversity is at least somewhat important. It's true that most respondents value proximity and stability more than diversity, but that doesn't mean they don't care about diversity at all. The BOE's policy and boundary studies since then have been consistent with these preferences by balancing these priorities. If diversity were the top priority, they would randomly assign each student in the County to a different school each year, and they have not done that nor would that be consistent with Policy FAA.

While there were no question about buses, how exactly do you think MCPS is going to drag kids to schools farther from home? They're going to use buses. And sure, no one in MoCo is going to say they don't care about diversity at all. They have to at least pretend they they value it. But "somewhat" isn't strong support is it? Meanwhile, everyone strongly supports proximity and stability which are directly at odds with diversity because of where people live. And no one wants to put their kid on a bus just to virtue signal.

MCPS already buses over 2/3 of students. If you want fewer kids put on the bus, you should start advocating for more crossing guards, more sidewalks, and more safe places for kids to cross.

It's almost like riding a bus to the school closest to home and riding a bus past several other schools to a school a lot farther from home just so white progressives can feel like white saviors are two different things.

And yet, for the kid on the bus, a bus ride is a bus ride. Whatever you are mad at, it's not buses.

No one is mad at buses. But families whose kids get bused to schools father from home are mad at progressives who are obsessed with skin color.

Where specifically is this happening in MCPS?

Not sure The only instances of this that I'm aware of are kids who live in the Wootton boundary are more often than not closer to schools other than Wootton. Also, many families in West Kensington who live near Einsten are bussed to WJ which is much further from their home.

There are kids in the Wootton cluster who are bussed passed Frost MS, Julius West MS, and Hoover MS to go to Cabin John MS. Why?

Because the only busing going on in MCPS is to accommodate the wealthier areas and maintain defacto segregation.

No, MCPS buses over 100,000 students, due to distance and dangerous walking conditions.

Race-integration busing in the United States (also known simply as busing or integrated busing or by its critics as forced busing) was the practice of assigning and transporting students to schools within or outside their local school districts in an effort to diversify the racial make-up of schools.

And you're trying to scare everyone into believing we live in South Boston in 1974. But we don't.

I'm trying to shed light in the boundary policy that prescribes busing so that people who are unaware can be informed. You, on the other hand want people kept in the dark until it's too late.

That's what you said in 2019, and it was wrong in 2019. Since then, we've had a bunch of boundary studies. They didn't do what you said they'd do. But here you are, still saying the same wrong thing you said in 2019.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the boundary analysis report, a little bit over a third of respondents rated balancing diversity as "not important". The remaining two thirds appear to have rated it as at least somewhat important and 10% rated it as extremely important. People do want to balance demographics which include income, race, ethnicity and language background. The data also show that the people who rated balancing diversity as most important were not from Takoma Park or even Silver Spring, but from Burtonsville, Fairland and Colesville.

Yes, but the only people who ever respond to those surveys all live in the segregated school boundaries. The people keep electing people to the board who prioritize diversity because that reflects the county's true priorities.

True. 54% of respondents were from Bethesda, Potomac and Chevy Chase.

So, the survey only represents the feelings of people in wealthy areas whose kids attend the segregated schools.

Most of the 46% who DON'T live in Bethesda, Potomac, and Chevy Chase also don't want busing. Just one geographic area (Burtonsville) indicated that it might want busing but even they didn't feel too strongly about it.

There were no questions in the survey about MCPS providing bus service or about "busing" whatever TF you are pretending that means. Nearly two thirds of respondents felt that diversity is at least somewhat important. It's true that most respondents value proximity and stability more than diversity, but that doesn't mean they don't care about diversity at all. The BOE's policy and boundary studies since then have been consistent with these preferences by balancing these priorities. If diversity were the top priority, they would randomly assign each student in the County to a different school each year, and they have not done that nor would that be consistent with Policy FAA.

While there were no question about buses, how exactly do you think MCPS is going to drag kids to schools farther from home? They're going to use buses. And sure, no one in MoCo is going to say they don't care about diversity at all. They have to at least pretend they they value it. But "somewhat" isn't strong support is it? Meanwhile, everyone strongly supports proximity and stability which are directly at odds with diversity because of where people live. And no one wants to put their kid on a bus just to virtue signal.

MCPS already buses over 2/3 of students. If you want fewer kids put on the bus, you should start advocating for more crossing guards, more sidewalks, and more safe places for kids to cross.

It's almost like riding a bus to the school closest to home and riding a bus past several other schools to a school a lot farther from home just so white progressives can feel like white saviors are two different things.

And yet, for the kid on the bus, a bus ride is a bus ride. Whatever you are mad at, it's not buses.

No one is mad at buses. But families whose kids get bused to schools father from home are mad at progressives who are obsessed with skin color.

Since schools aren't built in the geographic center of each boundary, there will always be students who go to a school farther from home than another school is. In some very built-up parts of the county, there may even be one or two more schools closer. MCPS has to decide which kids get those longer bus rides, regardless of anyone's griping.

This will not change unless we tear down all the schools and rebuild them with exacting distances - which will last until housing patterns change again.

And, at some point its understandable, but for the far away families who will literally pass one school to go to another is silly.

Hmm. Maybe they should do a boundary study to look at alternative options.

As long as diversity is the top factor, a boundary study will only make things worse.

Great. Since diversity is just one of four factors, we're all good!

It's the top factor so it prescribes busing.

You are spreading misinformation.

I wish that was true. Unfortunately, back in 2018, some dishonest BOE members elevated demographics/diversity to the top factor in the boundary policy in order to "make the policy more consistent with our progressive values in Montgomery County."

That was misinformation in 2018. Now it's 2023, and you are still spreading the same misinformation, for reasons I am unable to imagine.

Why do you think the language was changed? It was changed to force future Bs of E to implement busing. Jack Smith said that the language change making diversity the top factor would box in future boards of Ed into boundary decisions they might not want. The BOE member who made these changes said she wanted them boxed in because busing for diversity was 8n line with MoCo progressive values.

If it was (which it wasn't), it didn't work.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the boundary analysis report, a little bit over a third of respondents rated balancing diversity as "not important". The remaining two thirds appear to have rated it as at least somewhat important and 10% rated it as extremely important. People do want to balance demographics which include income, race, ethnicity and language background. The data also show that the people who rated balancing diversity as most important were not from Takoma Park or even Silver Spring, but from Burtonsville, Fairland and Colesville.

Yes, but the only people who ever respond to those surveys all live in the segregated school boundaries. The people keep electing people to the board who prioritize diversity because that reflects the county's true priorities.

True. 54% of respondents were from Bethesda, Potomac and Chevy Chase.

So, the survey only represents the feelings of people in wealthy areas whose kids attend the segregated schools.

Most of the 46% who DON'T live in Bethesda, Potomac, and Chevy Chase also don't want busing. Just one geographic area (Burtonsville) indicated that it might want busing but even they didn't feel too strongly about it.

There were no questions in the survey about MCPS providing bus service or about "busing" whatever TF you are pretending that means. Nearly two thirds of respondents felt that diversity is at least somewhat important. It's true that most respondents value proximity and stability more than diversity, but that doesn't mean they don't care about diversity at all. The BOE's policy and boundary studies since then have been consistent with these preferences by balancing these priorities. If diversity were the top priority, they would randomly assign each student in the County to a different school each year, and they have not done that nor would that be consistent with Policy FAA.

While there were no question about buses, how exactly do you think MCPS is going to drag kids to schools farther from home? They're going to use buses. And sure, no one in MoCo is going to say they don't care about diversity at all. They have to at least pretend they they value it. But "somewhat" isn't strong support is it? Meanwhile, everyone strongly supports proximity and stability which are directly at odds with diversity because of where people live. And no one wants to put their kid on a bus just to virtue signal.

MCPS already buses over 2/3 of students. If you want fewer kids put on the bus, you should start advocating for more crossing guards, more sidewalks, and more safe places for kids to cross.

It's almost like riding a bus to the school closest to home and riding a bus past several other schools to a school a lot farther from home just so white progressives can feel like white saviors are two different things.

And yet, for the kid on the bus, a bus ride is a bus ride. Whatever you are mad at, it's not buses.

No one is mad at buses. But families whose kids get bused to schools father from home are mad at progressives who are obsessed with skin color.

Since schools aren't built in the geographic center of each boundary, there will always be students who go to a school farther from home than another school is. In some very built-up parts of the county, there may even be one or two more schools closer. MCPS has to decide which kids get those longer bus rides, regardless of anyone's griping.

This will not change unless we tear down all the schools and rebuild them with exacting distances - which will last until housing patterns change again.

And, at some point its understandable, but for the far away families who will literally pass one school to go to another is silly.

Hmm. Maybe they should do a boundary study to look at alternative options.

As long as diversity is the top factor, a boundary study will only make things worse.

Great. Since diversity is just one of four factors, we're all good!

It's the top factor so it prescribes busing.

You are spreading misinformation.

I wish that was true. Unfortunately, back in 2018, some dishonest BOE members elevated demographics/diversity to the top factor in the boundary policy in order to "make the policy more consistent with our progressive values in Montgomery County."

That was misinformation in 2018. Now it's 2023, and you are still spreading the same misinformation, for reasons I am unable to imagine.

Why do you think the language was changed? It was changed to force future Bs of E to implement busing. Jack Smith said that the language change making diversity the top factor would box in future boards of Ed into boundary decisions they might not want. The BOE member who made these changes said she wanted them boxed in because busing for diversity was 8n line with MoCo progressive values.

If it was (which it wasn't), it didn't work.

There's video of the exchange I just posted. That was the intent and it didn't work because A) massive pushback including a boundary analysis showing 95% of the county rejects busing and B) COVID. We'll see what the Woodward study brings.

Dude. Everyone except you has already seen what all of the other studies have brought.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the boundary analysis report, a little bit over a third of respondents rated balancing diversity as "not important". The remaining two thirds appear to have rated it as at least somewhat important and 10% rated it as extremely important. People do want to balance demographics which include income, race, ethnicity and language background. The data also show that the people who rated balancing diversity as most important were not from Takoma Park or even Silver Spring, but from Burtonsville, Fairland and Colesville.

Yes, but the only people who ever respond to those surveys all live in the segregated school boundaries. The people keep electing people to the board who prioritize diversity because that reflects the county's true priorities.

True. 54% of respondents were from Bethesda, Potomac and Chevy Chase.

So, the survey only represents the feelings of people in wealthy areas whose kids attend the segregated schools.

Most of the 46% who DON'T live in Bethesda, Potomac, and Chevy Chase also don't want busing. Just one geographic area (Burtonsville) indicated that it might want busing but even they didn't feel too strongly about it.

There were no questions in the survey about MCPS providing bus service or about "busing" whatever TF you are pretending that means. Nearly two thirds of respondents felt that diversity is at least somewhat important. It's true that most respondents value proximity and stability more than diversity, but that doesn't mean they don't care about diversity at all. The BOE's policy and boundary studies since then have been consistent with these preferences by balancing these priorities. If diversity were the top priority, they would randomly assign each student in the County to a different school each year, and they have not done that nor would that be consistent with Policy FAA.

While there were no question about buses, how exactly do you think MCPS is going to drag kids to schools farther from home? They're going to use buses. And sure, no one in MoCo is going to say they don't care about diversity at all. They have to at least pretend they they value it. But "somewhat" isn't strong support is it? Meanwhile, everyone strongly supports proximity and stability which are directly at odds with diversity because of where people live. And no one wants to put their kid on a bus just to virtue signal.

MCPS already buses over 2/3 of students. If you want fewer kids put on the bus, you should start advocating for more crossing guards, more sidewalks, and more safe places for kids to cross.

It's almost like riding a bus to the school closest to home and riding a bus past several other schools to a school a lot farther from home just so white progressives can feel like white saviors are two different things.

And yet, for the kid on the bus, a bus ride is a bus ride. Whatever you are mad at, it's not buses.

No one is mad at buses. But families whose kids get bused to schools father from home are mad at progressives who are obsessed with skin color.

Since schools aren't built in the geographic center of each boundary, there will always be students who go to a school farther from home than another school is. In some very built-up parts of the county, there may even be one or two more schools closer. MCPS has to decide which kids get those longer bus rides, regardless of anyone's griping.

This will not change unless we tear down all the schools and rebuild them with exacting distances - which will last until housing patterns change again.

And, at some point its understandable, but for the far away families who will literally pass one school to go to another is silly.

Hmm. Maybe they should do a boundary study to look at alternative options.

As long as diversity is the top factor, a boundary study will only make things worse.

Great. Since diversity is just one of four factors, we're all good!

It's the top factor so it prescribes busing.

You are spreading misinformation.

I wish that was true. Unfortunately, back in 2018, some dishonest BOE members elevated demographics/diversity to the top factor in the boundary policy in order to "make the policy more consistent with our progressive values in Montgomery County."

That was misinformation in 2018. Now it's 2023, and you are still spreading the same misinformation, for reasons I am unable to imagine.

Why do you think the language was changed? It was changed to force future Bs of E to implement busing. Jack Smith said that the language change making diversity the top factor would box in future boards of Ed into boundary decisions they might not want. The BOE member who made these changes said she wanted them boxed in because busing for diversity was 8n line with MoCo progressive values.

If it was (which it wasn't), it didn't work.

There's video of the exchange I just posted. That was the intent and it didn't work because A) massive pushback including a boundary analysis showing 95% of the county rejects busing and B) COVID. We'll see what the Woodward study brings.

No it did not. That's more misinformation you're peddling. Honestly I don't even know why I'm wasting my time on this, and I'm going to stop now.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the boundary analysis report, a little bit over a third of respondents rated balancing diversity as "not important". The remaining two thirds appear to have rated it as at least somewhat important and 10% rated it as extremely important. People do want to balance demographics which include income, race, ethnicity and language background. The data also show that the people who rated balancing diversity as most important were not from Takoma Park or even Silver Spring, but from Burtonsville, Fairland and Colesville.

Yes, but the only people who ever respond to those surveys all live in the segregated school boundaries. The people keep electing people to the board who prioritize diversity because that reflects the county's true priorities.

True. 54% of respondents were from Bethesda, Potomac and Chevy Chase.

So, the survey only represents the feelings of people in wealthy areas whose kids attend the segregated schools.

Most of the 46% who DON'T live in Bethesda, Potomac, and Chevy Chase also don't want busing. Just one geographic area (Burtonsville) indicated that it might want busing but even they didn't feel too strongly about it.

There were no questions in the survey about MCPS providing bus service or about "busing" whatever TF you are pretending that means. Nearly two thirds of respondents felt that diversity is at least somewhat important. It's true that most respondents value proximity and stability more than diversity, but that doesn't mean they don't care about diversity at all. The BOE's policy and boundary studies since then have been consistent with these preferences by balancing these priorities. If diversity were the top priority, they would randomly assign each student in the County to a different school each year, and they have not done that nor would that be consistent with Policy FAA.

While there were no question about buses, how exactly do you think MCPS is going to drag kids to schools farther from home? They're going to use buses. And sure, no one in MoCo is going to say they don't care about diversity at all. They have to at least pretend they they value it. But "somewhat" isn't strong support is it? Meanwhile, everyone strongly supports proximity and stability which are directly at odds with diversity because of where people live. And no one wants to put their kid on a bus just to virtue signal.

MCPS already buses over 2/3 of students. If you want fewer kids put on the bus, you should start advocating for more crossing guards, more sidewalks, and more safe places for kids to cross.

It's almost like riding a bus to the school closest to home and riding a bus past several other schools to a school a lot farther from home just so white progressives can feel like white saviors are two different things.

And yet, for the kid on the bus, a bus ride is a bus ride. Whatever you are mad at, it's not buses.

No one is mad at buses. But families whose kids get bused to schools father from home are mad at progressives who are obsessed with skin color.

Where specifically is this happening in MCPS?

Not sure The only instances of this that I'm aware of are kids who live in the Wootton boundary are more often than not closer to schools other than Wootton. Also, many families in West Kensington who live near Einsten are bussed to WJ which is much further from their home.

There are kids in the Wootton cluster who are bussed passed Frost MS, Julius West MS, and Hoover MS to go to Cabin John MS. Why?

Because the only busing going on in MCPS is to accommodate the wealthier areas and maintain defacto segregation.

No, MCPS buses over 100,000 students, due to distance and dangerous walking conditions.

Race-integration busing in the United States (also known simply as busing or integrated busing or by its critics as forced busing) was the practice of assigning and transporting students to schools within or outside their local school districts in an effort to diversify the racial make-up of schools.

And you're trying to scare everyone into believing we live in South Boston in 1974. But we don't.

I'm trying to shed light in the boundary policy that prescribes busing so that people who are unaware can be informed. You, on the other hand want people kept in the dark until it's too late.

That's what you said in 2019, and it was wrong in 2019. Since then, we've had a bunch of boundary studies. They didn't do what you said they'd do. But here you are, still saying the same wrong thing you said in 2019.

Why do you think they changed the language in the boundary policy?

DP. They changed the language because the demographics factor had largely been ignored in the past and they were hoping to change that pattern. So the aim was not to prioritize it above the other three factors at all, but to remind everyone that it should also be attended to, because after all it is one of the factors. Since the change, demographics-favoring options are now included more often than before. But there is absolutely no mandate for the superintendent or board to select one of the demographics-favoring options above all others. In fact, they rarely if ever have.

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If you don’t think “busing” is happening then please simply explain why Northwood HS has a boundary that literally abuts the physical campus of Blair and Springbrook? Why would students be forced to travel right past a closer school while on the way to a school that is farther away?

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t think “busing” is happening then please simply explain why Northwood HS has a boundary that literally abuts the physical campus of Blair and Springbrook? Why would students be forced to travel right past a closer school while on the way to a school that is farther away?

That one is easy. Northwood and Blair are so close to each other that their walk zones overlap. The students in South Four Corners are considered walkable to both schools.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t think “busing” is happening then please simply explain why Northwood HS has a boundary that literally abuts the physical campus of Blair and Springbrook? Why would students be forced to travel right past a closer school while on the way to a school that is farther away?

That one is easy. Northwood and Blair are so close to each other that their walk zones overlap. The students in South Four Corners are considered walkable to both schools.

And Springbrook is on the other side of Northwest Branch park. And not even in the DCC.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny part is no matter the margins that get shuffled around, the few houses that get zoned out of desirable schools will go down in price and the few that get the bump-up will go up in price. Within a decade those houses will align with the proper SES buyers and you will still have desirable schools and silver spring schools. Nothing will change except a few people’s bank accounts.

Problem with desirable is people will pay up for it which will automatically exclude poor people. When it is the poor people the people are paying to avoid, it will automatically happen.

Even if you shipped all poorest of the poor out of the east county to W schools, prices in the shipping zones would shoot up and people in silver spring would be quickly priced out of their homes. Look at rosemary hills, used to be a very poor & black neighborhood which is why it got zoned to BCC for diversity. Now there are few AAs in the SFHs and otherwise modest ramblers are some of the most expensive homes in silver spring all in about a generation.

This is a perfect explanation of why we need to fix land use instead of school boundaries. All schools should have housing available to all income levels within their boundaries.

No thank you. We paid not to live near poor people. We certainly don't want the county moving poor people and all their problems over here.

Damn you, Poe's Law!

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Anonymous wrote:According to the boundary analysis report, a little bit over a third of respondents rated balancing diversity as "not important". The remaining two thirds appear to have rated it as at least somewhat important and 10% rated it as extremely important. People do want to balance demographics which include income, race, ethnicity and language background. The data also show that the people who rated balancing diversity as most important were not from Takoma Park or even Silver Spring, but from Burtonsville, Fairland and Colesville.

Yes, but the only people who ever respond to those surveys all live in the segregated school boundaries. The people keep electing people to the board who prioritize diversity because that reflects the county's true priorities.

True. 54% of respondents were from Bethesda, Potomac and Chevy Chase.

So, the survey only represents the feelings of people in wealthy areas whose kids attend the segregated schools.

Most of the 46% who DON'T live in Bethesda, Potomac, and Chevy Chase also don't want busing. Just one geographic area (Burtonsville) indicated that it might want busing but even they didn't feel too strongly about it.

There were no questions in the survey about MCPS providing bus service or about "busing" whatever TF you are pretending that means. Nearly two thirds of respondents felt that diversity is at least somewhat important. It's true that most respondents value proximity and stability more than diversity, but that doesn't mean they don't care about diversity at all. The BOE's policy and boundary studies since then have been consistent with these preferences by balancing these priorities. If diversity were the top priority, they would randomly assign each student in the County to a different school each year, and they have not done that nor would that be consistent with Policy FAA.

While there were no question about buses, how exactly do you think MCPS is going to drag kids to schools farther from home? They're going to use buses. And sure, no one in MoCo is going to say they don't care about diversity at all. They have to at least pretend they they value it. But "somewhat" isn't strong support is it? Meanwhile, everyone strongly supports proximity and stability which are directly at odds with diversity because of where people live. And no one wants to put their kid on a bus just to virtue signal.

MCPS already buses over 2/3 of students. If you want fewer kids put on the bus, you should start advocating for more crossing guards, more sidewalks, and more safe places for kids to cross.

It's almost like riding a bus to the school closest to home and riding a bus past several other schools to a school a lot farther from home just so white progressives can feel like white saviors are two different things.

And yet, for the kid on the bus, a bus ride is a bus ride. Whatever you are mad at, it's not buses.

No one is mad at buses. But families whose kids get bused to schools father from home are mad at progressives who are obsessed with skin color.

Since schools aren't built in the geographic center of each boundary, there will always be students who go to a school farther from home than another school is. In some very built-up parts of the county, there may even be one or two more schools closer. MCPS has to decide which kids get those longer bus rides, regardless of anyone's griping.

This will not change unless we tear down all the schools and rebuild them with exacting distances - which will last until housing patterns change again.

And, at some point its understandable, but for the far away families who will literally pass one school to go to another is silly.

Hmm. Maybe they should do a boundary study to look at alternative options.

As long as diversity is the top factor, a boundary study will only make things worse.

Great. Since diversity is just one of four factors, we're all good!

It's the top factor so it prescribes busing.

You are spreading misinformation.

I wish that was true. Unfortunately, back in 2018, some dishonest BOE members elevated demographics/diversity to the top factor in the boundary policy in order to "make the policy more consistent with our progressive values in Montgomery County."

That was misinformation in 2018. Now it's 2023, and you are still spreading the same misinformation, for reasons I am unable to imagine.

Why do you think the language was changed? It was changed to force future Bs of E to implement busing. Jack Smith said that the language change making diversity the top factor would box in future boards of Ed into boundary decisions they might not want. The BOE member who made these changes said she wanted them boxed in because busing for diversity was 8n line with MoCo progressive values.

If it was (which it wasn't), it didn't work.

There's video of the exchange I just posted. That was the intent and it didn't work because A) massive pushback including a boundary analysis showing 95% of the county rejects busing and B) COVID. We'll see what the Woodward study brings.

Dude. Everyone except you has already seen what all of the other studies have brought.

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You: The sky is falling
Sky: Does not fall

Did any of those studies involve 8 high schools?

The policy is the policy, regardless of how many schools are being studied. And the past five studies have proven that your understanding of the policy was incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the boundary analysis report, a little bit over a third of respondents rated balancing diversity as "not important". The remaining two thirds appear to have rated it as at least somewhat important and 10% rated it as extremely important. People do want to balance demographics which include income, race, ethnicity and language background. The data also show that the people who rated balancing diversity as most important were not from Takoma Park or even Silver Spring, but from Burtonsville, Fairland and Colesville.

Yes, but the only people who ever respond to those surveys all live in the segregated school boundaries. The people keep electing people to the board who prioritize diversity because that reflects the county's true priorities.

True. 54% of respondents were from Bethesda, Potomac and Chevy Chase.

So, the survey only represents the feelings of people in wealthy areas whose kids attend the segregated schools.

Most of the 46% who DON'T live in Bethesda, Potomac, and Chevy Chase also don't want busing. Just one geographic area (Burtonsville) indicated that it might want busing but even they didn't feel too strongly about it.

There were no questions in the survey about MCPS providing bus service or about "busing" whatever TF you are pretending that means. Nearly two thirds of respondents felt that diversity is at least somewhat important. It's true that most respondents value proximity and stability more than diversity, but that doesn't mean they don't care about diversity at all. The BOE's policy and boundary studies since then have been consistent with these preferences by balancing these priorities. If diversity were the top priority, they would randomly assign each student in the County to a different school each year, and they have not done that nor would that be consistent with Policy FAA.

While there were no question about buses, how exactly do you think MCPS is going to drag kids to schools farther from home? They're going to use buses. And sure, no one in MoCo is going to say they don't care about diversity at all. They have to at least pretend they they value it. But "somewhat" isn't strong support is it? Meanwhile, everyone strongly supports proximity and stability which are directly at odds with diversity because of where people live. And no one wants to put their kid on a bus just to virtue signal.

MCPS already buses over 2/3 of students. If you want fewer kids put on the bus, you should start advocating for more crossing guards, more sidewalks, and more safe places for kids to cross.

It's almost like riding a bus to the school closest to home and riding a bus past several other schools to a school a lot farther from home just so white progressives can feel like white saviors are two different things.

And yet, for the kid on the bus, a bus ride is a bus ride. Whatever you are mad at, it's not buses.

No one is mad at buses. But families whose kids get bused to schools father from home are mad at progressives who are obsessed with skin color.

Where specifically is this happening in MCPS?

Not sure The only instances of this that I'm aware of are kids who live in the Wootton boundary are more often than not closer to schools other than Wootton. Also, many families in West Kensington who live near Einsten are bussed to WJ which is much further from their home.

There are kids in the Wootton cluster who are bussed passed Frost MS, Julius West MS, and Hoover MS to go to Cabin John MS. Why?

Because the only busing going on in MCPS is to accommodate the wealthier areas and maintain defacto segregation.

No, MCPS buses over 100,000 students, due to distance and dangerous walking conditions.

Race-integration busing in the United States (also known simply as busing or integrated busing or by its critics as forced busing) was the practice of assigning and transporting students to schools within or outside their local school districts in an effort to diversify the racial make-up of schools.

And you're trying to scare everyone into believing we live in South Boston in 1974. But we don't.

I'm trying to shed light in the boundary policy that prescribes busing so that people who are unaware can be informed. You, on the other hand want people kept in the dark until it's too late.

That's what you said in 2019, and it was wrong in 2019. Since then, we've had a bunch of boundary studies. They didn't do what you said they'd do. But here you are, still saying the same wrong thing you said in 2019.

Why do you think they changed the language in the boundary policy?

DP. They changed the language because the demographics factor had largely been ignored in the past and they were hoping to change that pattern. So the aim was not to prioritize it above the other three factors at all, but to remind everyone that it should also be attended to, because after all it is one of the factors. Since the change, demographics-favoring options are now included more often than before. But there is absolutely no mandate for the superintendent or board to select one of the demographics-favoring options above all others. In fact, they rarely if ever have.

The video testimony from the BOE member who pushed the changes through says differently. She said they did it to force future boards of ed into prioritizing diversity. This was after Jack Smith cautioned the BOE that this would be the case.

Sorry - past Board activity can't bind future Boards. There's no "force" there. Just conspiracy mongering.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the boundary analysis report, a little bit over a third of respondents rated balancing diversity as "not important". The remaining two thirds appear to have rated it as at least somewhat important and 10% rated it as extremely important. People do want to balance demographics which include income, race, ethnicity and language background. The data also show that the people who rated balancing diversity as most important were not from Takoma Park or even Silver Spring, but from Burtonsville, Fairland and Colesville.

Yes, but the only people who ever respond to those surveys all live in the segregated school boundaries. The people keep electing people to the board who prioritize diversity because that reflects the county's true priorities.

True. 54% of respondents were from Bethesda, Potomac and Chevy Chase.

So, the survey only represents the feelings of people in wealthy areas whose kids attend the segregated schools.

Most of the 46% who DON'T live in Bethesda, Potomac, and Chevy Chase also don't want busing. Just one geographic area (Burtonsville) indicated that it might want busing but even they didn't feel too strongly about it.

There were no questions in the survey about MCPS providing bus service or about "busing" whatever TF you are pretending that means. Nearly two thirds of respondents felt that diversity is at least somewhat important. It's true that most respondents value proximity and stability more than diversity, but that doesn't mean they don't care about diversity at all. The BOE's policy and boundary studies since then have been consistent with these preferences by balancing these priorities. If diversity were the top priority, they would randomly assign each student in the County to a different school each year, and they have not done that nor would that be consistent with Policy FAA.

While there were no question about buses, how exactly do you think MCPS is going to drag kids to schools farther from home? They're going to use buses. And sure, no one in MoCo is going to say they don't care about diversity at all. They have to at least pretend they they value it. But "somewhat" isn't strong support is it? Meanwhile, everyone strongly supports proximity and stability which are directly at odds with diversity because of where people live. And no one wants to put their kid on a bus just to virtue signal.

MCPS already buses over 2/3 of students. If you want fewer kids put on the bus, you should start advocating for more crossing guards, more sidewalks, and more safe places for kids to cross.

It's almost like riding a bus to the school closest to home and riding a bus past several other schools to a school a lot farther from home just so white progressives can feel like white saviors are two different things.

And yet, for the kid on the bus, a bus ride is a bus ride. Whatever you are mad at, it's not buses.

No one is mad at buses. But families whose kids get bused to schools father from home are mad at progressives who are obsessed with skin color.

Where specifically is this happening in MCPS?

Not sure The only instances of this that I'm aware of are kids who live in the Wootton boundary are more often than not closer to schools other than Wootton. Also, many families in West Kensington who live near Einsten are bussed to WJ which is much further from their home.

There are kids in the Wootton cluster who are bussed passed Frost MS, Julius West MS, and Hoover MS to go to Cabin John MS. Why?

Because the only busing going on in MCPS is to accommodate the wealthier areas and maintain defacto segregation.

No, MCPS buses over 100,000 students, due to distance and dangerous walking conditions.

Race-integration busing in the United States (also known simply as busing or integrated busing or by its critics as forced busing) was the practice of assigning and transporting students to schools within or outside their local school districts in an effort to diversify the racial make-up of schools.

And you're trying to scare everyone into believing we live in South Boston in 1974. But we don't.

I'm trying to shed light in the boundary policy that prescribes busing so that people who are unaware can be informed. You, on the other hand want people kept in the dark until it's too late.

That's what you said in 2019, and it was wrong in 2019. Since then, we've had a bunch of boundary studies. They didn't do what you said they'd do. But here you are, still saying the same wrong thing you said in 2019.

Why do you think they changed the language in the boundary policy?

DP. They changed the language because the demographics factor had largely been ignored in the past and they were hoping to change that pattern. So the aim was not to prioritize it above the other three factors at all, but to remind everyone that it should also be attended to, because after all it is one of the factors. Since the change, demographics-favoring options are now included more often than before. But there is absolutely no mandate for the superintendent or board to select one of the demographics-favoring options above all others. In fact, they rarely if ever have.

The video testimony from the BOE member who pushed the changes through says differently. She said they did it to force future boards of ed into prioritizing diversity. This was after Jack Smith cautioned the BOE that this would be the case.

I haven't watched the video in a while, but I think their wording was a little different. And the words used by two people who no longer have anything to do with this are not what matters. The words in the policy matter, and they do not say what you think they say. And they have not had the effect you feared they would have.

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Anonymous wrote:If I lived in the east county I would be way more concerned for boundary reviews than the W’s. Oh no a street gets sent from Whitman to BCC or Churchill. Where one street can sink an already highly engineered east county school with a culture changing shift of density. Most of the preferable schools in SS have their SFH already maximized though real gerrymandering. Just about any shift will send them in the opposite direction. The wetdream people who want to be shifted from an Einstein to a BCC or Walter Johnson are delusional.

We live on the western side, and I'm pretty bummed about the fact that it looks like we will be moved to Gaithersburg HS during the Crown boundary study. Instant loss of equity that is a pretty big deal for some of us and our retirements.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the boundary analysis report, a little bit over a third of respondents rated balancing diversity as "not important". The remaining two thirds appear to have rated it as at least somewhat important and 10% rated it as extremely important. People do want to balance demographics which include income, race, ethnicity and language background. The data also show that the people who rated balancing diversity as most important were not from Takoma Park or even Silver Spring, but from Burtonsville, Fairland and Colesville.

Yes, but the only people who ever respond to those surveys all live in the segregated school boundaries. The people keep electing people to the board who prioritize diversity because that reflects the county's true priorities.

True. 54% of respondents were from Bethesda, Potomac and Chevy Chase.

So, the survey only represents the feelings of people in wealthy areas whose kids attend the segregated schools.

Most of the 46% who DON'T live in Bethesda, Potomac, and Chevy Chase also don't want busing. Just one geographic area (Burtonsville) indicated that it might want busing but even they didn't feel too strongly about it.

There were no questions in the survey about MCPS providing bus service or about "busing" whatever TF you are pretending that means. Nearly two thirds of respondents felt that diversity is at least somewhat important. It's true that most respondents value proximity and stability more than diversity, but that doesn't mean they don't care about diversity at all. The BOE's policy and boundary studies since then have been consistent with these preferences by balancing these priorities. If diversity were the top priority, they would randomly assign each student in the County to a different school each year, and they have not done that nor would that be consistent with Policy FAA.

While there were no question about buses, how exactly do you think MCPS is going to drag kids to schools farther from home? They're going to use buses. And sure, no one in MoCo is going to say they don't care about diversity at all. They have to at least pretend they they value it. But "somewhat" isn't strong support is it? Meanwhile, everyone strongly supports proximity and stability which are directly at odds with diversity because of where people live. And no one wants to put their kid on a bus just to virtue signal.

MCPS already buses over 2/3 of students. If you want fewer kids put on the bus, you should start advocating for more crossing guards, more sidewalks, and more safe places for kids to cross.

It's almost like riding a bus to the school closest to home and riding a bus past several other schools to a school a lot farther from home just so white progressives can feel like white saviors are two different things.

And yet, for the kid on the bus, a bus ride is a bus ride. Whatever you are mad at, it's not buses.

No one is mad at buses. But families whose kids get bused to schools father from home are mad at progressives who are obsessed with skin color.

Since schools aren't built in the geographic center of each boundary, there will always be students who go to a school farther from home than another school is. In some very built-up parts of the county, there may even be one or two more schools closer. MCPS has to decide which kids get those longer bus rides, regardless of anyone's griping.

This will not change unless we tear down all the schools and rebuild them with exacting distances - which will last until housing patterns change again.

And, at some point its understandable, but for the far away families who will literally pass one school to go to another is silly.

Hmm. Maybe they should do a boundary study to look at alternative options.

As long as diversity is the top factor, a boundary study will only make things worse.

Great. Since diversity is just one of four factors, we're all good!

It's the top factor so it prescribes busing.

You are spreading misinformation.

I wish that was true. Unfortunately, back in 2018, some dishonest BOE members elevated demographics/diversity to the top factor in the boundary policy in order to "make the policy more consistent with our progressive values in Montgomery County."

That was misinformation in 2018. Now it's 2023, and you are still spreading the same misinformation, for reasons I am unable to imagine.

Why do you think the language was changed? It was changed to force future Bs of E to implement busing. Jack Smith said that the language change making diversity the top factor would box in future boards of Ed into boundary decisions they might not want. The BOE member who made these changes said she wanted them boxed in because busing for diversity was 8n line with MoCo progressive values.

If it was (which it wasn't), it didn't work.

There's video of the exchange I just posted. That was the intent and it didn't work because A) massive pushback including a boundary analysis showing 95% of the county rejects busing and B) COVID. We'll see what the Woodward study brings.

Dude. Everyone except you has already seen what all of the other studies have brought.

You: The sky is falling
Sky: Does not fall
You: The sky is falling
Sky: Does not fall
You: The sky is falling
Sky: Does not fall
You: The sky is falling
Sky: Does not fall

Did any of those studies involve 8 high schools?

The policy is the policy, regardless of how many schools are being studied. And the past five studies have proven that your understanding of the policy was incorrect.

You're not very good at this. The past 5 studies were tiny and, therefore, didn't provide much opportunity for busing like what happened in the Clarksburg / Seneca Valley study. The Woodward study will be massive by comparison, spanning 7 or 8 high schools which provides a lot of opportunity for diversity busing. The boundary policy mandates busing if schools aren't diverse enough.

No it does not. It mandates nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:If I lived in the east county I would be way more concerned for boundary reviews than the W’s. Oh no a street gets sent from Whitman to BCC or Churchill. Where one street can sink an already highly engineered east county school with a culture changing shift of density. Most of the preferable schools in SS have their SFH already maximized though real gerrymandering. Just about any shift will send them in the opposite direction. The wetdream people who want to be shifted from an Einstein to a BCC or Walter Johnson are delusional.

We live on the western side, and I'm pretty bummed about the fact that it looks like we will be moved to Gaithersburg HS during the Crown boundary study. Instant loss of equity that is a pretty big deal for some of us and our retirements.

What are you basing that on? That study hasn't even been authorized.