Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.

You being a “pacifist” is essentially like people abstaining to vote for Hillary because they didn’t like her, which led to Donald Trump’s election.

You can’t always sit things out and just let them happen to you. So strap on a set.

It's not happening TO US. The United States.

You’re perfectly entitled to be scared. Everyone else can see the right thing is to back an ally who was attacked. It shores up our alliances with countries that represent the “free world”.

If you hadn’t noticed the world is increasingly drifting into multipolarity. You’ve got western nations and you’ve got authoritarian ones and the chasm is widening. Your stance of cowering in place and not helping choose democracy doesn’t bode well long term for the US.

I’m sorry you don’t grasp that or see that basically donating 1/100th the amount of our yearly defense budget and, mostly, our older outdated equipment to help battle this force of raging drunk, brutal dunces is a good investment for both our soft and hard power.

Again, we all want peace, but we are also America. We are a bastion of hope.

That's not true, though. The US maintains close, amiable relationships with the worst authoritarian regimes in the world. There is no daylight between the US and, for instance, the Arab Gulf dictatorships. What is your evidence that the chasm is widening? Make the case for the Russia-US stand if you must but don't pretend it's a global struggle of authoritarianism vs. democracy because that's not supported by facts.

Dp- you’ve been asleep for the last decade of you haven’t noticed China and Russia becoming for authoritarian and more aggressive.

Are you disputing the U.S. friendship with the Gulf dictatorships?

No. I’ve never commented on that, because it’s irrelevant. The US isn’t perfect. I’m ok with that. We are still much much better than Russia. Russia sucks.

It’s entirely relevant in the context of your claim of the global stand between democracies and autocracies. I mean it can’t be relevant when you want and then suddenly irrelevant when you don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.

I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?

Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?

Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.

Oh please - Russians were amassing troops at the border in huge numbers and categorically denying they were intended for anything but military training.

You can’t blame Russia’s war of choice on lack of diplomatic efforts by the West.

There were no serious diplomatic offers in the table. Russia made clear their offer was for an Ukraine to roll over and accept being absorbed into Russia and to never join either Western Europe or NATO.

Putin thought their special military operation (illegal invasion) would be over in a few weeks.

Now Putin’s aemu are proven war criminals and retaliating in horrific ways against innocent civilians.

Diplomacy is not possible with war criminals.

What diplomatic efforts has the West made, exactly, to prevent the war?

Sanctions

LOL

What's so funny? We tried diplomacy to end the war. It didn't work. You think that's funny?

Tell us exactly how we tried diplomacy to end the war.

Already did. Sanctions.

No.

That's the same response Putin gave. You're as war-mongering as he is.

Takes one to know one, no?

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Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.

I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?

Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?

Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.

Oh please - Russians were amassing troops at the border in huge numbers and categorically denying they were intended for anything but military training.

You can’t blame Russia’s war of choice on lack of diplomatic efforts by the West.

There were no serious diplomatic offers in the table. Russia made clear their offer was for an Ukraine to roll over and accept being absorbed into Russia and to never join either Western Europe or NATO.

Putin thought their special military operation (illegal invasion) would be over in a few weeks.

Now Putin’s aemu are proven war criminals and retaliating in horrific ways against innocent civilians.

Diplomacy is not possible with war criminals.

What diplomatic efforts has the West made, exactly, to prevent the war?

Sanctions

LOL

What's so funny? We tried diplomacy to end the war. It didn't work. You think that's funny?

Tell us exactly how we tried diplomacy to end the war.

Already did. Sanctions.

No.

That's the same response Putin gave. You're as war-mongering as he is.

Takes one to know one, no?

Not really, no. Putin's invasion was unprovoked. It doesn't take a war monger to recognize that. But it does take one to defend it. Did you hear about the Russian soldier bragging about the 400 men, women, and children he killed?

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-intel-intercepts-russian-soldier-135400738.html

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Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.

I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?

Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?

Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.

Oh please - Russians were amassing troops at the border in huge numbers and categorically denying they were intended for anything but military training.

You can’t blame Russia’s war of choice on lack of diplomatic efforts by the West.

There were no serious diplomatic offers in the table. Russia made clear their offer was for an Ukraine to roll over and accept being absorbed into Russia and to never join either Western Europe or NATO.

Putin thought their special military operation (illegal invasion) would be over in a few weeks.

Now Putin’s aemu are proven war criminals and retaliating in horrific ways against innocent civilians.

Diplomacy is not possible with war criminals.

What diplomatic efforts has the West made, exactly, to prevent the war?

Sanctions

LOL

What's so funny? We tried diplomacy to end the war. It didn't work. You think that's funny?

Tell us exactly how we tried diplomacy to end the war.

Already did. Sanctions.

No.

That's the same response Putin gave. You're as war-mongering as he is.

Takes one to know one, no?

Not really, no. Putin's invasion was unprovoked. It doesn't take a war monger to recognize that. But it does take one to defend it. Did you hear about the Russian soldier bragging about the 400 men, women, and children he killed?

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-intel-intercepts-russian-soldier-135400738.html

The military rarely attracts altar boys. As the tales of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib would surely show. I mean did you hear about that invasion where a guy went to the UN to shake a phony glass vial at people? Bet you think they were all kinds of asking for it so it’s not really unprovoked.

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Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.

I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?

Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?

Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.

Oh please - Russians were amassing troops at the border in huge numbers and categorically denying they were intended for anything but military training.

You can’t blame Russia’s war of choice on lack of diplomatic efforts by the West.

There were no serious diplomatic offers in the table. Russia made clear their offer was for an Ukraine to roll over and accept being absorbed into Russia and to never join either Western Europe or NATO.

Putin thought their special military operation (illegal invasion) would be over in a few weeks.

Now Putin’s aemu are proven war criminals and retaliating in horrific ways against innocent civilians.

Diplomacy is not possible with war criminals.

What diplomatic efforts has the West made, exactly, to prevent the war?

Sanctions

LOL

What's so funny? We tried diplomacy to end the war. It didn't work. You think that's funny?

Tell us exactly how we tried diplomacy to end the war.

Already did. Sanctions.

No.

That's the same response Putin gave. You're as war-mongering as he is.

Takes one to know one, no?

Not really, no. Putin's invasion was unprovoked. It doesn't take a war monger to recognize that. But it does take one to defend it. Did you hear about the Russian soldier bragging about the 400 men, women, and children he killed?

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-intel-intercepts-russian-soldier-135400738.html

The military rarely attracts altar boys. As the tales of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib would surely show. I mean did you hear about that invasion where a guy went to the UN to shake a phony glass vial at people? Bet you think they were all kinds of asking for it so it’s not really unprovoked.

So you're fine with the deaths of 400 innocent men, women, and children because "the military rarely attracts altar boys"?

[Anonymous]

Russian apologists on here are warped, sick stooges.

[Anonymous]

To be real; I kind of care about Ukraine. I know some Ukrainians; and I know some Russians here in the US.

From my tax payer armchair in America I am all for funding the death of the Russians. Not that I dislike the ones I know; I just like them less than the Ukrainians I know. To make it easier; Russia attacked Ukraine so my decision calculus is simple. Fund Ukraine eternally to fight/kill Russians; I’ll flip between Bravo and whatever is streaming/outlander when it comes back and vote for whoever supports military funding for Ukraine.

There is no debate in my mind. My taxes go to a lot of things I do not agree on; but sending Ukraine weapons is something cool for my money to go to.

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Anonymous wrote:So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.

You being a “pacifist” is essentially like people abstaining to vote for Hillary because they didn’t like her, which led to Donald Trump’s election.

You can’t always sit things out and just let them happen to you. So strap on a set.

It's not happening TO US. The United States.

You’re perfectly entitled to be scared. Everyone else can see the right thing is to back an ally who was attacked. It shores up our alliances with countries that represent the “free world”.

If you hadn’t noticed the world is increasingly drifting into multipolarity. You’ve got western nations and you’ve got authoritarian ones and the chasm is widening. Your stance of cowering in place and not helping choose democracy doesn’t bode well long term for the US.

I’m sorry you don’t grasp that or see that basically donating 1/100th the amount of our yearly defense budget and, mostly, our older outdated equipment to help battle this force of raging drunk, brutal dunces is a good investment for both our soft and hard power.

Again, we all want peace, but we are also America. We are a bastion of hope.

That's not true, though. The US maintains close, amiable relationships with the worst authoritarian regimes in the world. There is no daylight between the US and, for instance, the Arab Gulf dictatorships. What is your evidence that the chasm is widening? Make the case for the Russia-US stand if you must but don't pretend it's a global struggle of authoritarianism vs. democracy because that's not supported by facts.

Well, for a long time the US was amicable towards Putin, so...

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Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.

I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?

Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?

Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.

Oh please - Russians were amassing troops at the border in huge numbers and categorically denying they were intended for anything but military training.

You can’t blame Russia’s war of choice on lack of diplomatic efforts by the West.

There were no serious diplomatic offers in the table. Russia made clear their offer was for an Ukraine to roll over and accept being absorbed into Russia and to never join either Western Europe or NATO.

Putin thought their special military operation (illegal invasion) would be over in a few weeks.

Now Putin’s aemu are proven war criminals and retaliating in horrific ways against innocent civilians.

Diplomacy is not possible with war criminals.

What diplomatic efforts has the West made, exactly, to prevent the war?

Sanctions

LOL

What's so funny? We tried diplomacy to end the war. It didn't work. You think that's funny?

Tell us exactly how we tried diplomacy to end the war.

Already did. Sanctions.

No.

That's the same response Putin gave. You're as war-mongering as he is.

Takes one to know one, no?

Not really, no. Putin's invasion was unprovoked. It doesn't take a war monger to recognize that. But it does take one to defend it. Did you hear about the Russian soldier bragging about the 400 men, women, and children he killed?

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-intel-intercepts-russian-soldier-135400738.html

The military rarely attracts altar boys. As the tales of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib would surely show. I mean did you hear about that invasion where a guy went to the UN to shake a phony glass vial at people? Bet you think they were all kinds of asking for it so it’s not really unprovoked.

Your clown-like argument is that shaking a glass vial is a provocation? You compare Guantanamo or Abu Gharib to what the Russian Army does each day - rapes, pillages, kidnaps children, shoot's prisoners, murders civilians?

параша

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Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.

I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?

Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?

Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.

Oh please - Russians were amassing troops at the border in huge numbers and categorically denying they were intended for anything but military training.

You can’t blame Russia’s war of choice on lack of diplomatic efforts by the West.

There were no serious diplomatic offers in the table. Russia made clear their offer was for an Ukraine to roll over and accept being absorbed into Russia and to never join either Western Europe or NATO.

Putin thought their special military operation (illegal invasion) would be over in a few weeks.

Now Putin’s aemu are proven war criminals and retaliating in horrific ways against innocent civilians.

Diplomacy is not possible with war criminals.

What diplomatic efforts has the West made, exactly, to prevent the war?

Sanctions

LOL

What's so funny? We tried diplomacy to end the war. It didn't work. You think that's funny?

Tell us exactly how we tried diplomacy to end the war.

Already did. Sanctions.

No.

That's the same response Putin gave. You're as war-mongering as he is.

Takes one to know one, no?

Not really, no. Putin's invasion was unprovoked. It doesn't take a war monger to recognize that. But it does take one to defend it. Did you hear about the Russian soldier bragging about the 400 men, women, and children he killed?

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-intel-intercepts-russian-soldier-135400738.html

The military rarely attracts altar boys. As the tales of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib would surely show. I mean did you hear about that invasion where a guy went to the UN to shake a phony glass vial at people? Bet you think they were all kinds of asking for it so it’s not really unprovoked.

Your clown-like argument is that shaking a glass vial is a provocation? You compare Guantanamo or Abu Gharib to what the Russian Army does each day - rapes, pillages, kidnaps children, shoot's prisoners, murders civilians?

параша

Maybe you missed the decapitation video?

Russians and ISIS are one and the same.

Standard barbarians that only deserve their end in battle.

[Anonymous]

The part I love the most about Russian propagandists is how hypocritical they are.

"Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov's mistress owns a villa next to members of the Russian military elite in the Black Sea resort of Sochi and gave birth to her children in the U.S."
"According to the investigation, Svetlana Abrosimova, a former basketball player, is Solovyov's mistress and gave birth to their two daughters in the U.S. in 2017."
https://kyivindependent.com/media-top-russian-propagandist-has-second-family-in-us/

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Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.

I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?

Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?

Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.

Oh please - Russians were amassing troops at the border in huge numbers and categorically denying they were intended for anything but military training.

You can’t blame Russia’s war of choice on lack of diplomatic efforts by the West.

There were no serious diplomatic offers in the table. Russia made clear their offer was for an Ukraine to roll over and accept being absorbed into Russia and to never join either Western Europe or NATO.

Putin thought their special military operation (illegal invasion) would be over in a few weeks.

Now Putin’s aemu are proven war criminals and retaliating in horrific ways against innocent civilians.

Diplomacy is not possible with war criminals.

What diplomatic efforts has the West made, exactly, to prevent the war?

Sanctions

LOL

What's so funny? We tried diplomacy to end the war. It didn't work. You think that's funny?

Tell us exactly how we tried diplomacy to end the war.

Already did. Sanctions.

No.

That's the same response Putin gave. You're as war-mongering as he is.

Takes one to know one, no?

Not really, no. Putin's invasion was unprovoked. It doesn't take a war monger to recognize that. But it does take one to defend it. Did you hear about the Russian soldier bragging about the 400 men, women, and children he killed?

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-intel-intercepts-russian-soldier-135400738.html

The military rarely attracts altar boys. As the tales of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib would surely show. I mean did you hear about that invasion where a guy went to the UN to shake a phony glass vial at people? Bet you think they were all kinds of asking for it so it’s not really unprovoked.

Your clown-like argument is that shaking a glass vial is a provocation? You compare Guantanamo or Abu Gharib to what the Russian Army does each day - rapes, pillages, kidnaps children, shoot's prisoners, murders civilians?

параша

My argument - if it was too subtle for you - is that the invasion of Iraq was unprovoked with a vastly higher body count. So the chest-thumping about the evils of unprovoked invasions lands a bit flat, you know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The part I love the most about Russian propagandists is how hypocritical they are.

"Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov's mistress owns a villa next to members of the Russian military elite in the Black Sea resort of Sochi and gave birth to her children in the U.S."
"According to the investigation, Svetlana Abrosimova, a former basketball player, is Solovyov's mistress and gave birth to their two daughters in the U.S. in 2017."
https://kyivindependent.com/media-top-russian-propagandist-has-second-family-in-us/

Where is the hypocrisy?

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Anonymous wrote:So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.

You being a “pacifist” is essentially like people abstaining to vote for Hillary because they didn’t like her, which led to Donald Trump’s election.

You can’t always sit things out and just let them happen to you. So strap on a set.

It's not happening TO US. The United States.

You’re perfectly entitled to be scared. Everyone else can see the right thing is to back an ally who was attacked. It shores up our alliances with countries that represent the “free world”.

If you hadn’t noticed the world is increasingly drifting into multipolarity. You’ve got western nations and you’ve got authoritarian ones and the chasm is widening. Your stance of cowering in place and not helping choose democracy doesn’t bode well long term for the US.

I’m sorry you don’t grasp that or see that basically donating 1/100th the amount of our yearly defense budget and, mostly, our older outdated equipment to help battle this force of raging drunk, brutal dunces is a good investment for both our soft and hard power.

Again, we all want peace, but we are also America. We are a bastion of hope.

That's not true, though. The US maintains close, amiable relationships with the worst authoritarian regimes in the world. There is no daylight between the US and, for instance, the Arab Gulf dictatorships. What is your evidence that the chasm is widening? Make the case for the Russia-US stand if you must but don't pretend it's a global struggle of authoritarianism vs. democracy because that's not supported by facts.

Dp- you’ve been asleep for the last decade of you haven’t noticed China and Russia becoming for authoritarian and more aggressive.

Are you disputing the U.S. friendship with the Gulf dictatorships?

No. I’ve never commented on that, because it’s irrelevant. The US isn’t perfect. I’m ok with that. We are still much much better than Russia. Russia sucks.

It’s entirely relevant in the context of your claim of the global stand between democracies and autocracies. I mean it can’t be relevant when you want and then suddenly irrelevant when you don’t.

DP- means “different poster”. I’ve made no claim of the “global stand between democracies and autocracies” . If you’re gonna troll this board and simp for Russia, at least understand the basics about this forum.