W&L outside T20

[Anonymous]

What is going on at W&L? Even with the change in ranking formula, why are they outside the T20? This seems odd given the Johnson scholarship should help with the social mobility score. What gives?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is going on at W&L? Even with the change in ranking formula, why are they outside the T20? This seems odd given the Johnson scholarship should help with the social mobility score. What gives?

Remove the service academies ( too niche for the average SLAC applicant) and W&L is right there. It has been a perennial T15 before the USNWR methodology change.

Great school!

Are you interested in W&L? Reason for your question? Or are you just a concern troll?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is going on at W&L? Even with the change in ranking formula, why are they outside the T20? This seems odd given the Johnson scholarship should help with the social mobility score. What gives?

Remove the service academies ( too niche for the average SLAC applicant) and W&L is right there. It has been a perennial T15 before the USNWR methodology change.

Great school!

Are you interested in W&L? Reason for your question? Or are you just a concern troll?

My question is why isn’t W&L doing better WITH the methodology change? It seems like they should have the resources to keep up with the push for increased social mobility. Can they not increase the Johnson program and crack the top 10, or are they simply failing to attract URM and Pell kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is going on at W&L? Even with the change in ranking formula, why are they outside the T20? This seems odd given the Johnson scholarship should help with the social mobility score. What gives?

Remove the service academies ( too niche for the average SLAC applicant) and W&L is right there. It has been a perennial T15 before the USNWR methodology change.

Great school!

Are you interested in W&L? Reason for your question? Or are you just a concern troll?

My question is why isn’t W&L doing better WITH the methodology change? It seems like they should have the resources to keep up with the push for increased social mobility. Can they not increase the Johnson program and crack the top 10, or are they simply failing to attract URM and Pell kids?

you're attaching far too much weight to the social mobility score

[Anonymous]

I don’t know any BIPOC kid who wants to go to W&L. For what? White proximity? White validation? There are so many good schools to choose from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is going on at W&L? Even with the change in ranking formula, why are they outside the T20? This seems odd given the Johnson scholarship should help with the social mobility score. What gives?

Remove the service academies ( too niche for the average SLAC applicant) and W&L is right there. It has been a perennial T15 before the USNWR methodology change.

Great school!

Are you interested in W&L? Reason for your question? Or are you just a concern troll?

My question is why isn’t W&L doing better WITH the methodology change? It seems like they should have the resources to keep up with the push for increased social mobility. Can they not increase the Johnson program and crack the top 10, or are they simply failing to attract URM and Pell kids?

you're attaching far too much weight to the social mobility score

Then why isn’t W&L T15 or T10?

[Anonymous]

They lose points because the name is antithetical to diversity and inclusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They lose points because the name is antithetical to diversity and inclusion.

The shared driveway with VMI says it all. W and L was founded to breed the confederate generals, the south’s West Point, and VMI their soldiers. I am as white as Wonder Bread and was uncomfortable. Our tour guide was terrible, stumbling over her snow flake Brooks School pedigree trying to sell love and inclusivity. It was as if I was stranded with a patient suffering imposter syndrome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They lose points because the name is antithetical to diversity and inclusion.

The shared driveway with VMI says it all. W and L was founded to breed the confederate generals, the south’s West Point, and VMI their soldiers. I am as white as Wonder Bread and was uncomfortable. Our tour guide was terrible, stumbling over her snow flake Brooks School pedigree trying to sell love and inclusivity. It was as if I was stranded with a patient suffering imposter syndrome.

Utterly false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any BIPOC kid who wants to go to W&L. For what? White proximity? White validation? There are so many good schools to choose from.

OP - this is the real problem - and I learned it straight from senior faculty. Wash & Lee is too expensive and too Greek (86%) to provide a welcoming, accessible environment for black students. Even if W&L provides full tuition or even a full ride, the Greek activities start on Thursday night and run through Monday day morning. They are so expensive to join that W&L is the only college that includes the cost of Greek participation on its cost of attendance page (it can run up to $15k a year). The result is that the URM, first generation, scholarship students can’t afford to participate so are left in the dining hall, libraries and dorms to find their own activities which leads to a “have” and “have not” class separation. Unless W&L starts covering costs of Greek participation, this will not change.

Also, W&L is now $95,550 a year. There are only 44 Johnson Scholarships for a class of 500. $10k off of $95k for a lot of families is not enough and they go elsewhere, like in-state or where the student receives a better merit award. The school is simply too expensive for a lot of URM families, which is why W&M can attract only 5% black students.

[Anonymous]

W&L needs a lesson in: Vergangenheitsbewältigung.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any BIPOC kid who wants to go to W&L. For what? White proximity? White validation? There are so many good schools to choose from.

OP - this is the real problem - and I learned it straight from senior faculty. Wash & Lee is too expensive and too Greek (86%) to provide a welcoming, accessible environment for black students. Even if W&L provides full tuition or even a full ride, the Greek activities start on Thursday night and run through Monday day morning. They are so expensive to join that W&L is the only college that includes the cost of Greek participation on its cost of attendance page (it can run up to $15k a year). The result is that the URM, first generation, scholarship students can’t afford to participate so are left in the dining hall, libraries and dorms to find their own activities which leads to a “have” and “have not” class separation. Unless W&L starts covering costs of Greek participation, this will not change.

Also, W&L is now $95,550 a year. There are only 44 Johnson Scholarships for a class of 500. $10k off of $95k for a lot of families is not enough and they go elsewhere, like in-state or where the student receives a better merit award. The school is simply too expensive for a lot of URM families, which is why W&M can attract only 5% black students.

Typo? You meant bribe?

[Anonymous]

Is U Richmond any better for minorities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is going on at W&L? Even with the change in ranking formula, why are they outside the T20? This seems odd given the Johnson scholarship should help with the social mobility score. What gives?

Remove the service academies ( too niche for the average SLAC applicant) and W&L is right there. It has been a perennial T15 before the USNWR methodology change.

Great school!

Are you interested in W&L? Reason for your question? Or are you just a concern troll?

My question is why isn’t W&L doing better WITH the methodology change? It seems like they should have the resources to keep up with the push for increased social mobility. Can they not increase the Johnson program and crack the top 10, or are they simply failing to attract URM and Pell kids?

The reality is that there really aren't a lot of superstar black and hispanic students out there. And those that are out there will certainly choose Harvard or MIT or Duke over Washington and Lee. It's slim pickings, and Washington and Lee isn't competing for the best black students. They go elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any BIPOC kid who wants to go to W&L. For what? White proximity? White validation? There are so many good schools to choose from.

Yep