FCPS AP/IB Participation Rates in 2024-25
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From VDOE information, here is the information on 2024-25 AP and IB participation rates at FCPS high schools (all students):
AP: TJ 69.4% McLean 65.5% Oakton 58.54% Langley 55.72% Madison 53.92% Woodson 46.57% Chantilly 44.92% Fairfax 44.35% South County 42.62% Lake Braddock 41.91% West Springfield 41.26% Centreville 37.85% Hayfield 37.42% Westfield 33.7% Herndon 27.86% West Potomac 26.59% Falls Church 24.37% IB: Marshall 45.9% Justice 43.79% Robinson 37.76% Edison 33.8% Mount Vernon 31.17% South Lakes 30.53% Annandale 27.55% Lewis 23.27% No big surprises, but the participation rates at some schools skew higher because of pilot programs or existing policies at certain schools. At McLean, all pre-calculus students got switched to AP Pre-Calculus in 2024-25 and at Marshall and Justice IB English is the default English course for non-ESOL students. |
Anonymous
Would be interesting to know IB diploma vs AP scholars. I know they are not the same, but it is an indicator. |
Anonymous
For IB not sure these numbers tell me much as students can just take 1 class. To me more interesting is how many getting full IB diploma and for that thought saw here couple years ago there were less than 10 at Lewis and thought at most 20-30 at other IB HS. That makes that program not make sense to me. If students only doing a la carte then AP is more logical model. |
Anonymous
The AP numbers also include students who may just be taking one AP class. The main difference is you can take AP classes earlier than IB classes. |
Anonymous
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Am I reading this properly? Are these numbers the percentage of kids at a HS that took at least 1 AP or IB class? If that is, the numbers are deceiving for a variety of reasons.
Most kids at an IB school will not take an IB class until they are juniors, the exception to that rule will be kids who accelerated in math and had A1H in 6th or 7th grade. That means that the base number of kids even eligible to take an IB class should be 50%. Is that 30% all kids at the HS or 30% of the eligible kids at the HS? If it is 30% out of the entire high school it is an unfair measure since only 50% were even eligible to take an IB class. Second, are those IB classes SL or HL classes? HL classes are sort of the equivalent to AP classes. I would guess that most of those IB classes were SL classes and not HL classes, meaning they are closer to Honors classes then AP classes. Finally, the point of IB is not to take individual classes but to earn the diploma. IB is not meant to be a pick and choose your own adventure, like AP. The goal of IB is supposed to be earning the IB diploma. So the number of students taking an IB class is less important then the number of students that complete the diploma. And that number is far lower then the percentage of kids taking at least one IB class. But it says something when the best IB programs don't even wouldn't make the top 1/3 of schools offering AP classes. Make IB go away. |
Anonymous
I believe Marshall and Robinson have closer to 100 kids completing the IB degree, I don't actually know the numbers but they were not stupidly low compared to the other schools. SLHS had around 50 kids completing the diploma, which is about 10% of the population. I believe that the other schools were in the teens or lower. |
Anonymous
I broke out AP and IB separately because it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. But this is the data reported to the VDOE. |
Anonymous
Robinson is over 100. Everyone else wis well below 100, including Marshall. Most of them are below 30 kids with some in the single digits |
Anonymous
Robinson has substantially more kids than Marshall, no? |
Anonymous
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The IB numbers should be doubled, since the percent of kids eligible to take IB is only 50% barring accelerated math kids.
Is this taking a course or taking the exam? If it's the exam, then it should be an even smaller denominator, since most IBs (except some SLs) test senior year only. IB is dumb, but trying to compare IB to AP is dumber. |
Anonymous
It’s the numbers taking at least one AP or IB course. Compare the AP schools to other AP schools and IB schools to other IB schools. It’s foolish to suggest you can just double the IB rates to compare with the AP rates since very few AP courses are available to freshmen in FCPS. |
Anonymous
To be specific, some (most?) AP schools have all their "honors" track kids enroll in AP human geography and AP world history as the defaults for 9th and 10th. AP precalc is also common for freshmen as more and more kids now finish Algebra 2 in 8th. |
Anonymous
| Many IB schools also offer AP government in 10th grade. So should that be factored in as well? Kids end up taking both AP and IB courses. |
Anonymous
You can’t easily adjust the IB rates to account for this because it may be the same kids taking IB and AP courses and some IB schools offer more AP courses than others. I could be wrong but I think Robinson and now Lewis offer more AP courses than the other IB schools, but not nearly as many AP courses as the AP-only schools. |
Anonymous
When? If someone else wants to find the data sheet Board put out, I don’t feel like digging for it but their numbers were MUCH lower- nothing close at all to what you have. |