41 players on a U12 roster

[Anonymous]

I was told today that a local team has 41 players on U12 roster that they rotate through multiple teams across multiple leagues, divisions, etc.

What is the benefit to this strategy? I am a novice.

[Anonymous]

Didn’t happen. I was told lots of things. I had the idea to see if it was true before I posted.

[Anonymous]

Best guess. SYC2014s. They wanted to toss out badges and cut no one- lets see how that plays out- they are already doing team A and other blech in pre season and summer tournaments. At what point do the parents revolt or is this what you do for a pre pre pre MLSN HD/AD badge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t happen. I was told lots of things. I had the idea to see if it was true before I posted.

They had 4 teams in one age group at Copa Rayados.

Interested to know how this helps in development. We know they are going to win every trophy.

[Anonymous]

Wait there is a club that acknowledges that 10 to 11 year olds aren't always placed on the correct level team and improve at different rates and are willing to move them around? Please name the club!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t happen. I was told lots of things. I had the idea to see if it was true before I posted.

They had 4 teams in one age group at Copa Rayados.

Interested to know how this helps in development. We know they are going to win every trophy.

4 teams sounds like SYC might be doing something right. Agree at 10/11 I want as many teams as possible let weeding out happen naturally as they become teenagers when interests and bodies mature to what they might actually be on the field

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t happen. I was told lots of things. I had the idea to see if it was true before I posted.

They had 4 teams in one age group at Copa Rayados.

Interested to know how this helps in development. We know they are going to win every trophy.

4 teams sounds like SYC might be doing something right. Agree at 10/11 I want as many teams as possible let weeding out happen naturally as they become teenagers when interests and bodies mature to what they might actually be on the field

in theory sure but thats not what syc is doing.
just going around pitching the idea of "being on a team that wins a lot of tournaments."
no development going on and will catch up with them post-puberty.

[Anonymous]

When we first started soccer, we were told that the roster would be fluid. And for the games that upcoming weekend, a roster would be put out so families knew what game they were playing.

This lasted all of one week. They quickly identified who they wanted, and what team and besides having maybe a guest player here and there there was no movement.

I don’t know the logistics behind the teams, but my understanding is that rosters have to be submitted at least at a certain age group so how can the team is be so fluid when you have 41 players?
Sounds to me like they are trying to tell you that’s what they do and they evaluate players weekly, but that might not be what’s going on. And maybe there’s a parent who is a team manager that can chime in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When we first started soccer, we were told that the roster would be fluid. And for the games that upcoming weekend, a roster would be put out so families knew what game they were playing.

This lasted all of one week. They quickly identified who they wanted, and what team and besides having maybe a guest player here and there there was no movement.

I don’t know the logistics behind the teams, but my understanding is that rosters have to be submitted at least at a certain age group so how can the team is be so fluid when you have 41 players?
Sounds to me like they are trying to tell you that’s what they do and they evaluate players weekly, but that might not be what’s going on. And maybe there’s a parent who is a team manager that can chime in.

We have a couple of kids who play travel soccer with very different skill level. We've brought both to practices and tryouts at various clubs. The better one, usually the same day, we are told that he will be on the top team. Although we never acted on that verbal assessment and always assumed there was no offer unless it was in writing. And yes, the written offer did quickly come. The other kid, always dead silence after the practices or tryouts. Or, this spiel about fluid rosters, or we can't tell you yet which team he'll be rostered on because we have to wait and see which players come back, etc.

I share this perspective because unless your kid has been quickly told they are on a particular team, just assume the worse.

I have also talked to a few coaches for top teams and they've all said that they are always in close contact with the coach of the second team (no idea about coaches under that) to see if players can be moved up. However, all universally believe there is a large gap between the first and second teams. One coach admitted that they are more likely to play up a first team player if there is a need rather than pull up a second team player. There are very, very few clubs in the DMV area that pull from their second team. And even then, it's tough for a second team player to be moved up and work their way up on to the starting lineup. I have seen it happen but the odds aren't great. I think there are more efficient ways to get on a first team rather than rely on being promoted from the second team but I'm sure families have constraints like location that prevents them from trying other clubs and scenarios.

Good luck everyone!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we first started soccer, we were told that the roster would be fluid. And for the games that upcoming weekend, a roster would be put out so families knew what game they were playing.

This lasted all of one week. They quickly identified who they wanted, and what team and besides having maybe a guest player here and there there was no movement.

I don’t know the logistics behind the teams, but my understanding is that rosters have to be submitted at least at a certain age group so how can the team is be so fluid when you have 41 players?
Sounds to me like they are trying to tell you that’s what they do and they evaluate players weekly, but that might not be what’s going on. And maybe there’s a parent who is a team manager that can chime in.

We have a couple of kids who play travel soccer with very different skill level. We've brought both to practices and tryouts at various clubs. The better one, usually the same day, we are told that he will be on the top team. Although we never acted on that verbal assessment and always assumed there was no offer unless it was in writing. And yes, the written offer did quickly come. The other kid, always dead silence after the practices or tryouts. Or, this spiel about fluid rosters, or we can't tell you yet which team he'll be rostered on because we have to wait and see which players come back, etc.

I share this perspective because unless your kid has been quickly told they are on a particular team, just assume the worse.

I have also talked to a few coaches for top teams and they've all said that they are always in close contact with the coach of the second team (no idea about coaches under that) to see if players can be moved up. However, all universally believe there is a large gap between the first and second teams. One coach admitted that they are more likely to play up a first team player if there is a need rather than pull up a second team player. There are very, very few clubs in the DMV area that pull from their second team. And even then, it's tough for a second team player to be moved up and work their way up on to the starting lineup. I have seen it happen but the odds aren't great. I think there are more efficient ways to get on a first team rather than rely on being promoted from the second team but I'm sure families have constraints like location that prevents them from trying other clubs and scenarios.

Good luck everyone!

Well said! Best way to get promoted and get playing time is in goal…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we first started soccer, we were told that the roster would be fluid. And for the games that upcoming weekend, a roster would be put out so families knew what game they were playing.

This lasted all of one week. They quickly identified who they wanted, and what team and besides having maybe a guest player here and there there was no movement.

I don’t know the logistics behind the teams, but my understanding is that rosters have to be submitted at least at a certain age group so how can the team is be so fluid when you have 41 players?
Sounds to me like they are trying to tell you that’s what they do and they evaluate players weekly, but that might not be what’s going on. And maybe there’s a parent who is a team manager that can chime in.

We have a couple of kids who play travel soccer with very different skill level. We've brought both to practices and tryouts at various clubs. The better one, usually the same day, we are told that he will be on the top team. Although we never acted on that verbal assessment and always assumed there was no offer unless it was in writing. And yes, the written offer did quickly come. The other kid, always dead silence after the practices or tryouts. Or, this spiel about fluid rosters, or we can't tell you yet which team he'll be rostered on because we have to wait and see which players come back, etc.

I share this perspective because unless your kid has been quickly told they are on a particular team, just assume the worse.

I have also talked to a few coaches for top teams and they've all said that they are always in close contact with the coach of the second team (no idea about coaches under that) to see if players can be moved up. However, all universally believe there is a large gap between the first and second teams. One coach admitted that they are more likely to play up a first team player if there is a need rather than pull up a second team player. There are very, very few clubs in the DMV area that pull from their second team. And even then, it's tough for a second team player to be moved up and work their way up on to the starting lineup. I have seen it happen but the odds aren't great. I think there are more efficient ways to get on a first team rather than rely on being promoted from the second team but I'm sure families have constraints like location that prevents them from trying other clubs and scenarios.

Good luck everyone!

+1 good advice. If clubs were honest about it, it wouldn't be a problem. But don't believe the "fluid roster" or similar claims about second-team players moving up to first team or being given first-team game opportunities. It just doesn't happen.

If a club wanted your kid to play on the first team, they'd have placed him on the first team. Instead, clubs dangle the lie about "fluid rosters" in front of second team players/parents to entice them to write the check and sign up for the second team. It's all about money.

[Anonymous]

UNC United lol