MoCo Council Vote Today

[Anonymous]

This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

[Anonymous]

You could at least put the subject somewhere in the title or body of the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You could at least put the subject somewhere in the title or body of the thread.

OK. Here you are.

Controversial workforce housing bill up for County Council vote Tuesday

https://bethesdamagazine.com/2025/07/21/workforce-housing-vote-preview/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

Yeah. Friedson's "compromise" is not between his aims and those of current residents in areas he and Fani-González target. There's been almost nothing to address those concerns.

His interests are those of developers who fund his campaign and his hoped-for appeal to county residents in areas less well off for county-wide or state/federal office, where he'll wave his hands trying to claim he's done something for them when the effects of what he's proposed are not likely to help many outside of those lining his pockets.

It's his compromise versus the larger Thrive 2050 and AHS initiatives. With all the heavy opposition in the fall, he needed to pare down the scope to divide and conquer -- screwing over fewer at a time to facilitate passage with less notice. He readily affirms that more is coming.

And it's his compromise with the less adventuresome councilmembers who all support increased densities in existing neighborhoods, anyway, but don't want to have to take too much blowback. Jawondo and Sayles fundamentally only question the lack of focus on development being truly affordable, with Jawondo's opposition in other areas being meant to grandstand to Friedson's detriment in their primary battle for county executive.

[Anonymous]

This will probably pass today. Even if you agree with the bill, I don’t see how anyone could possibly be happy with how sloppy it all is. Friedson is supposed to be the competent council member but it’s the day of the vote and where his ZTA applies is still not clear, and we don’t know what lot consolidation will be allowed because that is in another separate bill that will be introduced today. Not impressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

Yeah. Friedson's "compromise" is not between his aims and those of current residents in areas he and Fani-González target. There's been almost nothing to address those concerns.

His interests are those of developers who fund his campaign and his hoped-for appeal to county residents in areas less well off for county-wide or state/federal office, where he'll wave his hands trying to claim he's done something for them when the effects of what he's proposed are not likely to help many outside of those lining his pockets.

It's his compromise versus the larger Thrive 2050 and AHS initiatives. With all the heavy opposition in the fall, he needed to pare down the scope to divide and conquer -- screwing over fewer at a time to facilitate passage with less notice. He readily affirms that more is coming.

And it's his compromise with the less adventuresome councilmembers who all support increased densities in existing neighborhoods, anyway, but don't want to have to take too much blowback. Jawondo and Sayles fundamentally only question the lack of focus on development being truly affordable, with Jawondo's opposition in other areas being meant to grandstand to Friedson's detriment in their primary battle for county executive.

Ah yes, those evil developers doing evil things like ... building housing for families.

You people are silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will probably pass today. Even if you agree with the bill, I don’t see how anyone could possibly be happy with how sloppy it all is. Friedson is supposed to be the competent council member but it’s the day of the vote and where his ZTA applies is still not clear, and we don’t know what lot consolidation will be allowed because that is in another separate bill that will be introduced today. Not impressed.

They get to back-door more of what they want bia redefinituon, whether that's doing away with certain restrictions with the SRA or exempting certain highly favored roadways with reclassification. Finest of learning how to pack the pork and make the sausage from those at the federal level.

Friedson took the hit to be the front-man. The others are just as complicit in the incompetence. Any of them could have steered this thing towards more responsible legislation, but that ain't happenin'.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

Yeah. Friedson's "compromise" is not between his aims and those of current residents in areas he and Fani-González target. There's been almost nothing to address those concerns.

His interests are those of developers who fund his campaign and his hoped-for appeal to county residents in areas less well off for county-wide or state/federal office, where he'll wave his hands trying to claim he's done something for them when the effects of what he's proposed are not likely to help many outside of those lining his pockets.

It's his compromise versus the larger Thrive 2050 and AHS initiatives. With all the heavy opposition in the fall, he needed to pare down the scope to divide and conquer -- screwing over fewer at a time to facilitate passage with less notice. He readily affirms that more is coming.

And it's his compromise with the less adventuresome councilmembers who all support increased densities in existing neighborhoods, anyway, but don't want to have to take too much blowback. Jawondo and Sayles fundamentally only question the lack of focus on development being truly affordable, with Jawondo's opposition in other areas being meant to grandstand to Friedson's detriment in their primary battle for county executive.

Ah yes, those evil developers doing evil things like ... building housing for families.

You people are silly.

And right on time, the YIMBYs, who learned to keep their heads down to minimize notice until they got what they wanted, chime in.

Developers, real estate agents and others who will benefit from the increased activity are "evil" in their disproportionate government sway to the detriment of current residents via thier political contributions. Suggesting that the objection is to their day-to-day work activity is a strawman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

Yeah. Friedson's "compromise" is not between his aims and those of current residents in areas he and Fani-González target. There's been almost nothing to address those concerns.

His interests are those of developers who fund his campaign and his hoped-for appeal to county residents in areas less well off for county-wide or state/federal office, where he'll wave his hands trying to claim he's done something for them when the effects of what he's proposed are not likely to help many outside of those lining his pockets.

It's his compromise versus the larger Thrive 2050 and AHS initiatives. With all the heavy opposition in the fall, he needed to pare down the scope to divide and conquer -- screwing over fewer at a time to facilitate passage with less notice. He readily affirms that more is coming.

And it's his compromise with the less adventuresome councilmembers who all support increased densities in existing neighborhoods, anyway, but don't want to have to take too much blowback. Jawondo and Sayles fundamentally only question the lack of focus on development being truly affordable, with Jawondo's opposition in other areas being meant to grandstand to Friedson's detriment in their primary battle for county executive.

Ah yes, those evil developers doing evil things like ... building housing for families.

You people are silly.

The need is for affordable housing. Not to build 900k town homes, and just pack in people. There are plenty of housing options in the 700k plus range.

The developers are not concerned with the needs of actual middle class families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

Yeah. Friedson's "compromise" is not between his aims and those of current residents in areas he and Fani-González target. There's been almost nothing to address those concerns.

His interests are those of developers who fund his campaign and his hoped-for appeal to county residents in areas less well off for county-wide or state/federal office, where he'll wave his hands trying to claim he's done something for them when the effects of what he's proposed are not likely to help many outside of those lining his pockets.

It's his compromise versus the larger Thrive 2050 and AHS initiatives. With all the heavy opposition in the fall, he needed to pare down the scope to divide and conquer -- screwing over fewer at a time to facilitate passage with less notice. He readily affirms that more is coming.

And it's his compromise with the less adventuresome councilmembers who all support increased densities in existing neighborhoods, anyway, but don't want to have to take too much blowback. Jawondo and Sayles fundamentally only question the lack of focus on development being truly affordable, with Jawondo's opposition in other areas being meant to grandstand to Friedson's detriment in their primary battle for county executive.

Ah yes, those evil developers doing evil things like ... building housing for families.

You people are silly.

Building housing for families at or above 120 percent AMI, which is who they normally target with new development anyway. The developers got the workforce housing price caps established above what police officers, firefighters, teachers, nurses, and other public service workers actually make. I don’t know that it makes them evil (evil was your word), but it makes this bill pretty much useless to the people the sponsors claim it was intended to help. It’s pretty short-term thinking because this bill will probably cost Friedson the executive race but you all never look past the next land flip anyway. What are you going to do when the government stops bailing you out after your bad land deals?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

Yeah. Friedson's "compromise" is not between his aims and those of current residents in areas he and Fani-González target. There's been almost nothing to address those concerns.

His interests are those of developers who fund his campaign and his hoped-for appeal to county residents in areas less well off for county-wide or state/federal office, where he'll wave his hands trying to claim he's done something for them when the effects of what he's proposed are not likely to help many outside of those lining his pockets.

It's his compromise versus the larger Thrive 2050 and AHS initiatives. With all the heavy opposition in the fall, he needed to pare down the scope to divide and conquer -- screwing over fewer at a time to facilitate passage with less notice. He readily affirms that more is coming.

And it's his compromise with the less adventuresome councilmembers who all support increased densities in existing neighborhoods, anyway, but don't want to have to take too much blowback. Jawondo and Sayles fundamentally only question the lack of focus on development being truly affordable, with Jawondo's opposition in other areas being meant to grandstand to Friedson's detriment in their primary battle for county executive.

Ah yes, those evil developers doing evil things like ... building housing for families.

You people are silly.

And right on time, the YIMBYs, who learned to keep their heads down to minimize notice until they got what they wanted, chime in.

Developers, real estate agents and others who will benefit from the increased activity are "evil" in their disproportionate government sway to the detriment of current residents via thier political contributions. Suggesting that the objection is to their day-to-day work activity is a strawman.

You understand that this isn't some secret cabal of rich people/developers/etc? Right? The majority of people in the state think we need more housing. You are vastly, vastly outnumbered. But yeah, keep telling yourself you are fighting some good fight. I'll enjoy the popcorn while you lose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

Yeah. Friedson's "compromise" is not between his aims and those of current residents in areas he and Fani-González target. There's been almost nothing to address those concerns.

His interests are those of developers who fund his campaign and his hoped-for appeal to county residents in areas less well off for county-wide or state/federal office, where he'll wave his hands trying to claim he's done something for them when the effects of what he's proposed are not likely to help many outside of those lining his pockets.

It's his compromise versus the larger Thrive 2050 and AHS initiatives. With all the heavy opposition in the fall, he needed to pare down the scope to divide and conquer -- screwing over fewer at a time to facilitate passage with less notice. He readily affirms that more is coming.

And it's his compromise with the less adventuresome councilmembers who all support increased densities in existing neighborhoods, anyway, but don't want to have to take too much blowback. Jawondo and Sayles fundamentally only question the lack of focus on development being truly affordable, with Jawondo's opposition in other areas being meant to grandstand to Friedson's detriment in their primary battle for county executive.

Ah yes, those evil developers doing evil things like ... building housing for families.

You people are silly.

Building housing for families at or above 120 percent AMI, which is who they normally target with new development anyway. The developers got the workforce housing price caps established above what police officers, firefighters, teachers, nurses, and other public service workers actually make. I don’t know that it makes them evil (evil was your word), but it makes this bill pretty much useless to the people the sponsors claim it was intended to help. It’s pretty short-term thinking because this bill will probably cost Friedson the executive race but you all never look past the next land flip anyway. What are you going to do when the government stops bailing you out after your bad land deals?

The price caps, rent control, rules, etc all are bad. We just need more housing. Rent control has never worked. It will never work.

[Anonymous]

Time to leave MoCo. I moved here for suburbs, if I wanted a city, there's one right on our border.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

Yeah. Friedson's "compromise" is not between his aims and those of current residents in areas he and Fani-González target. There's been almost nothing to address those concerns.

His interests are those of developers who fund his campaign and his hoped-for appeal to county residents in areas less well off for county-wide or state/federal office, where he'll wave his hands trying to claim he's done something for them when the effects of what he's proposed are not likely to help many outside of those lining his pockets.

It's his compromise versus the larger Thrive 2050 and AHS initiatives. With all the heavy opposition in the fall, he needed to pare down the scope to divide and conquer -- screwing over fewer at a time to facilitate passage with less notice. He readily affirms that more is coming.

And it's his compromise with the less adventuresome councilmembers who all support increased densities in existing neighborhoods, anyway, but don't want to have to take too much blowback. Jawondo and Sayles fundamentally only question the lack of focus on development being truly affordable, with Jawondo's opposition in other areas being meant to grandstand to Friedson's detriment in their primary battle for county executive.

Ah yes, those evil developers doing evil things like ... building housing for families.

You people are silly.

Building housing for families at or above 120 percent AMI, which is who they normally target with new development anyway. The developers got the workforce housing price caps established above what police officers, firefighters, teachers, nurses, and other public service workers actually make. I don’t know that it makes them evil (evil was your word), but it makes this bill pretty much useless to the people the sponsors claim it was intended to help. It’s pretty short-term thinking because this bill will probably cost Friedson the executive race but you all never look past the next land flip anyway. What are you going to do when the government stops bailing you out after your bad land deals?

The price caps, rent control, rules, etc all are bad. We just need more housing. Rent control has never worked. It will never work.

It's not as simple as just needing more housing. If people cannot afford the rent, mortgage, HOA, then it fixes nothing. That's how you get multiple families sharing a three bedroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thing is going to pass, isn't it?

Bring on the lawsuits!

The BS about passing this to make the county more affordable for firefighters is beyond risible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekgNARX-gg

Yeah. Friedson's "compromise" is not between his aims and those of current residents in areas he and Fani-González target. There's been almost nothing to address those concerns.

His interests are those of developers who fund his campaign and his hoped-for appeal to county residents in areas less well off for county-wide or state/federal office, where he'll wave his hands trying to claim he's done something for them when the effects of what he's proposed are not likely to help many outside of those lining his pockets.

It's his compromise versus the larger Thrive 2050 and AHS initiatives. With all the heavy opposition in the fall, he needed to pare down the scope to divide and conquer -- screwing over fewer at a time to facilitate passage with less notice. He readily affirms that more is coming.

And it's his compromise with the less adventuresome councilmembers who all support increased densities in existing neighborhoods, anyway, but don't want to have to take too much blowback. Jawondo and Sayles fundamentally only question the lack of focus on development being truly affordable, with Jawondo's opposition in other areas being meant to grandstand to Friedson's detriment in their primary battle for county executive.

Ah yes, those evil developers doing evil things like ... building housing for families.

You people are silly.

And right on time, the YIMBYs, who learned to keep their heads down to minimize notice until they got what they wanted, chime in.

Developers, real estate agents and others who will benefit from the increased activity are "evil" in their disproportionate government sway to the detriment of current residents via thier political contributions. Suggesting that the objection is to their day-to-day work activity is a strawman.

You understand that this isn't some secret cabal of rich people/developers/etc? Right? The majority of people in the state think we need more housing. You are vastly, vastly outnumbered. But yeah, keep telling yourself you are fighting some good fight. I'll enjoy the popcorn while you lose.

People do think we need more housing available for purchase at lower prices than is available today. You do understand that this bill doesn’t do that, right? But just keeping pitching this stuff forward and hope you cash out before people catch on, right?