ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

And that fist to the face is called the tryout window.

[Anonymous]

"The clubs who start putting these teams together sooner rather than later will have a big advantage on other clubs. "

genuine question, but like what clubs are you talking about. Tryouts are in 2 weeks and no club around here is doing what you are saying. There aren't just endless good clubs in a town? There are 2 good clubs where we live. If you are on the 2nd Team, you can't just switch clubs and make the 1st team at the other good club. And both good clubs are staying BY. So I think you are saying switch to a 3rd rouge club that is moving to SY early for 2025? the 2 good clubs would still crush this rouge club with their younger BY team. I'm just confused as to what mass change you think is possible in 2 weeks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"The clubs who start putting these teams together sooner rather than later will have a big advantage on other clubs. "

genuine question, but like what clubs are you talking about. Tryouts are in 2 weeks and no club around here is doing what you are saying. There aren't just endless good clubs in a town? There are 2 good clubs where we live. If you are on the 2nd Team, you can't just switch clubs and make the 1st team at the other good club. And both good clubs are staying BY. So I think you are saying switch to a 3rd rouge club that is moving to SY early for 2025? the 2 good clubs would still crush this rouge club with their younger BY team. I'm just confused as to what mass change you think is possible in 2 weeks?

Q4 GA player. We will tryout ECNL team in 2 weeks. If can not make it, we will join the RL team regardless of any future transit plan or not.

[Anonymous]

That’s a lot of foresight and planning for kids who could easily leave your program at any time. Next spring tryout window for most clubs is going to be crazy because most players will not stay at their current clubs they will go wherever they can get the best opportunity.

The clubs who start putting these teams together sooner rather than later will have a big advantage on other clubs.

What makes the most sense is make your best BY team but also make your best SY team and compete all next year together as well.

There’s a lot to unpack here.

“That’s a lot of foresight and planning” — Literally what everyone has been asking for, but this is too much planning? It actually seems like the appropriate amount. There is nothing crazy here.

“Kids who could easily leave your program at any time”: We’re at the best ECNL club in the area. It’s also very expensive. We’ve never had a kid leave mid-season. Also, where would they go mid-season and why would they do it, to not be evaluated in the pool of players? A worse club, pay double fees and new uniforms costs?

“Next spring tryout window for most clubs is going to be crazy because most players will not stay at their current clubs they will go wherever they can get the best opportunity.” I've literally heard NO ONE in my club talking about switching clubs next year. Not a single parent. So "Most" seems like a stretch.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, If dont like my kids clubs plan were walking. Lots of places to play. Money is not a concern....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"The clubs who start putting these teams together sooner rather than later will have a big advantage on other clubs. "

genuine question, but like what clubs are you talking about. Tryouts are in 2 weeks and no club around here is doing what you are saying. There aren't just endless good clubs in a town? There are 2 good clubs where we live. If you are on the 2nd Team, you can't just switch clubs and make the 1st team at the other good club. And both good clubs are staying BY. So I think you are saying switch to a 3rd rouge club that is moving to SY early for 2025? the 2 good clubs would still crush this rouge club with their younger BY team. I'm just confused as to what mass change you think is possible in 2 weeks?

I don’t know about the person you are quoting but I don’t think they meant smart clubs would be out there in the open planning SY rosters. But there is no way any half decent club is not looking at the birthdate breakdowns of their current teams and the birthdates of any new tryout attendees and making some cold calculations now while tryouts are going on.

They certainly won’t be doing much SY stuff out in the open though, that will start in the spring.

[Anonymous]

I can see where the California clubs who had tryouts in December demanded everyone else had to be in the dark like they were. We won’t hear anything until 100% of teams have had tryouts. Can’t have some clubs getting to round up the Q3 unicorns before everyone has a chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can see where the California clubs who had tryouts in December demanded everyone else had to be in the dark like they were. We won’t hear anything until 100% of teams have had tryouts. Can’t have some clubs getting to round up the Q3 unicorns before everyone has a chance.

If there exists a transition plan, it would be announced in May or June after all teams are formed. So in theory any player movement is within the club. This will not be against BY registration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The clubs who start putting these teams together sooner rather than later will have a big advantage on other clubs. "

genuine question, but like what clubs are you talking about. Tryouts are in 2 weeks and no club around here is doing what you are saying. There aren't just endless good clubs in a town? There are 2 good clubs where we live. If you are on the 2nd Team, you can't just switch clubs and make the 1st team at the other good club. And both good clubs are staying BY. So I think you are saying switch to a 3rd rouge club that is moving to SY early for 2025? the 2 good clubs would still crush this rouge club with their younger BY team. I'm just confused as to what mass change you think is possible in 2 weeks?

I don’t know about the person you are quoting but I don’t think they meant smart clubs would be out there in the open planning SY rosters. But there is no way any half decent club is not looking at the birthdate breakdowns of their current teams and the birthdates of any new tryout attendees and making some cold calculations now while tryouts are going on.

They certainly won’t be doing much SY stuff out in the open though, that will start in the spring.

I get the logic here. But it only works on the “happy path.”

Realistic Path:

Said club moves first, but can’t really load up any one team with sept-dec because not everyone moves, and talent sticks together.

So said club has a crappy 26/26 season, and becomes less attractive to talent elsewhere, and less fun for kids (and parents), resulting in loss of some of the talent it tried to stock up on. Vicious cycle for said club. Meanwhile the winner clubs keep on winning and attracting talent REGARDLESS of the age cutoff / timeline / roster mix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The clubs who start putting these teams together sooner rather than later will have a big advantage on other clubs. "

genuine question, but like what clubs are you talking about. Tryouts are in 2 weeks and no club around here is doing what you are saying. There aren't just endless good clubs in a town? There are 2 good clubs where we live. If you are on the 2nd Team, you can't just switch clubs and make the 1st team at the other good club. And both good clubs are staying BY. So I think you are saying switch to a 3rd rouge club that is moving to SY early for 2025? the 2 good clubs would still crush this rouge club with their younger BY team. I'm just confused as to what mass change you think is possible in 2 weeks?

I don’t know about the person you are quoting but I don’t think they meant smart clubs would be out there in the open planning SY rosters. But there is no way any half decent club is not looking at the birthdate breakdowns of their current teams and the birthdates of any new tryout attendees and making some cold calculations now while tryouts are going on.

They certainly won’t be doing much SY stuff out in the open though, that will start in the spring.

I get the logic here. But it only works on the “happy path.”

Realistic Path:

Said club moves first, but can’t really load up any one team with sept-dec because not everyone moves, and talent sticks together.

So said club has a crappy 26/26 season, and becomes less attractive to talent elsewhere, and less fun for kids (and parents), resulting in loss of some of the talent it tried to stock up on. Vicious cycle for said club. Meanwhile the winner clubs keep on winning and attracting talent REGARDLESS of the age cutoff / timeline / roster mix.

100%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The clubs who start putting these teams together sooner rather than later will have a big advantage on other clubs. "

genuine question, but like what clubs are you talking about. Tryouts are in 2 weeks and no club around here is doing what you are saying. There aren't just endless good clubs in a town? There are 2 good clubs where we live. If you are on the 2nd Team, you can't just switch clubs and make the 1st team at the other good club. And both good clubs are staying BY. So I think you are saying switch to a 3rd rouge club that is moving to SY early for 2025? the 2 good clubs would still crush this rouge club with their younger BY team. I'm just confused as to what mass change you think is possible in 2 weeks?

I don’t know about the person you are quoting but I don’t think they meant smart clubs would be out there in the open planning SY rosters. But there is no way any half decent club is not looking at the birthdate breakdowns of their current teams and the birthdates of any new tryout attendees and making some cold calculations now while tryouts are going on.

They certainly won’t be doing much SY stuff out in the open though, that will start in the spring.

I get the logic here. But it only works on the “happy path.”

Realistic Path:

Said club moves first, but can’t really load up any one team with sept-dec because not everyone moves, and talent sticks together.

So said club has a crappy 26/26 season, and becomes less attractive to talent elsewhere, and less fun for kids (and parents), resulting in loss of some of the talent it tried to stock up on. Vicious cycle for said club. Meanwhile the winner clubs keep on winning and attracting talent REGARDLESS of the age cutoff / timeline / roster mix.

Yes- when you look at how you would actually implement this early at an established ECNL club, it falls apart because it has to work across every age group. A major call out would be the 2014 PreECNL NL Team who will be starting actual ECNL NL in 2026. According to the "start now in 2025" plan, you would have a team of 2013’s Sept-Dec combine with the 2014’s. The 2014s would have to play up in the 2013 RL League since they have 2013’s on their roster. They would be worse off. The Sept-Dec 2013’s who are currently on the NL team would play in a lesser league --2013 RL in 2025 instead of the 2013 NL (worse for them).

Where we live, the u-12 Pre-ENCL NL Team (which will be the 2014’s in 2025) plays in a badass 11 v 11 league the year before actual ECNL starts. They play against all the top ECNL clubs in the the state, there’s a north and south division. It’s 12 of the states best preECNL teams. The competition is really good and gets you ready for ECNL. They couldn’t play in this league with 2013s on their roster, they would have to play in the 2013 RL league and be LESS Prepared to move to ECNL in 2026. They would be worse off long term because of it. So both the 2013 Sept-Dec players + the 2014 Jan-Aug players on the Top team would suffer.

It would only work at the club level if you did it across every team NL + RL. If the top team is still going to play BY, you can’t successfully create the second team as a SY team and have it be competitive, the older portion of that team will always be worse off bc they would be combining with the younger second team. It would be good for the younger RL players, but the older RL players on the team would not be as strong as just staying on the current BY RL team.

Again - Maybe works for a club that is not an established ECNL NL club where there is a strong First Team at every level. These clubs will have to move everyone at once and it will only hurt them to move to BY early.

Sure the RL players may consider switching to club that is moving to SY next season but they will be switching to a worse club, won’t be seen in the current clubs age group pool for 2026 and then when the change happens be in a worse spot. Tryouts here are 2 weeks away and the ECNL clubs are forming teams on BY. This is where the strongest players play. Leaving the club to go to a non ECNL club moving to SY, not only would the younger BY ECNL team beat this SY club, it would hurt your chances of coming back in 2026 and making the NL team, which will continue to dominate.

Again - there is no advantage to moving to SY early for an ECNL club and logistically impossible unless done at every age level. And we would all know that was happening by now in 2025, and it’s not. There is not a mass change of clubs happening at ECNL tryouts this year.

[Anonymous]

Doing my part to get to 1000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The clubs who start putting these teams together sooner rather than later will have a big advantage on other clubs. "

genuine question, but like what clubs are you talking about. Tryouts are in 2 weeks and no club around here is doing what you are saying. There aren't just endless good clubs in a town? There are 2 good clubs where we live. If you are on the 2nd Team, you can't just switch clubs and make the 1st team at the other good club. And both good clubs are staying BY. So I think you are saying switch to a 3rd rouge club that is moving to SY early for 2025? the 2 good clubs would still crush this rouge club with their younger BY team. I'm just confused as to what mass change you think is possible in 2 weeks?

I don’t know about the person you are quoting but I don’t think they meant smart clubs would be out there in the open planning SY rosters. But there is no way any half decent club is not looking at the birthdate breakdowns of their current teams and the birthdates of any new tryout attendees and making some cold calculations now while tryouts are going on.

They certainly won’t be doing much SY stuff out in the open though, that will start in the spring.

I get the logic here. But it only works on the “happy path.”

Realistic Path:

Said club moves first, but can’t really load up any one team with sept-dec because not everyone moves, and talent sticks together.

So said club has a crappy 26/26 season, and becomes less attractive to talent elsewhere, and less fun for kids (and parents), resulting in loss of some of the talent it tried to stock up on. Vicious cycle for said club. Meanwhile the winner clubs keep on winning and attracting talent REGARDLESS of the age cutoff / timeline / roster mix.

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Right, it is a balancing act and I would certainly expect the 'winner clubs' to be doing the same to some extent. I would be looking more at gaping holes in the rosters (keepers in particular) and which bubble players to keep on first teams and/or new players to offer to (who you may not have offered in the past). That really shouldn't impact current competitiveness too much while positioning for a better 26/27. Then during the spring of 26, start scrimmaging internally with the potential SY teams and trying to get outside Q4s to your practices...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The clubs who start putting these teams together sooner rather than later will have a big advantage on other clubs. "

genuine question, but like what clubs are you talking about. Tryouts are in 2 weeks and no club around here is doing what you are saying. There aren't just endless good clubs in a town? There are 2 good clubs where we live. If you are on the 2nd Team, you can't just switch clubs and make the 1st team at the other good club. And both good clubs are staying BY. So I think you are saying switch to a 3rd rouge club that is moving to SY early for 2025? the 2 good clubs would still crush this rouge club with their younger BY team. I'm just confused as to what mass change you think is possible in 2 weeks?

I don’t know about the person you are quoting but I don’t think they meant smart clubs would be out there in the open planning SY rosters. But there is no way any half decent club is not looking at the birthdate breakdowns of their current teams and the birthdates of any new tryout attendees and making some cold calculations now while tryouts are going on.

They certainly won’t be doing much SY stuff out in the open though, that will start in the spring.

I get the logic here. But it only works on the “happy path.”

Realistic Path:

Said club moves first, but can’t really load up any one team with sept-dec because not everyone moves, and talent sticks together.

So said club has a crappy 26/26 season, and becomes less attractive to talent elsewhere, and less fun for kids (and parents), resulting in loss of some of the talent it tried to stock up on. Vicious cycle for said club. Meanwhile the winner clubs keep on winning and attracting talent REGARDLESS of the age cutoff / timeline / roster mix.

100%

Right, it is a balancing act and I would certainly expect the 'winner clubs' to be doing the same to some extent. I would be looking more at gaping holes in the rosters (keepers in particular) and which bubble players to keep on first teams and/or new players to offer to (who you may not have offered in the past). That really shouldn't impact current competitiveness too much while positioning for a better 26/27. Then during the spring of 26, start scrimmaging internally with the potential SY teams and trying to get outside Q4s to your practices...

yes agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, If dont like my kids clubs plan were walking. Lots of places to play. Money is not a concern....

Same here.