US isolationism

[Anonymous]

In 1434, the Chinese emperor issued the Edict of Haijin, which closed off China from the rest of the world. Before that Chinese ships sailed much of the known world to advertise their cultural superiority, ssek tribute, and basically proclaim themselves the center of the world. They had taken some steps in retreat before this because of piracy, hoping that without their ships as targets, pirates would fade away. They also didn't like Japan and decided not to let Japan import Chinese products. A large number of voyages in the first part of the century, parading Chinese engineering, artistic, and scientific prowess were also considered "waste, fraud, and abuse" by some Chinese officials, so they shut down everything except for some frontier trading posts.

Which meant that 350 years later, when the British showed up, they were a weak and stagnant country.

[Anonymous]

C'mon, OP, you can't expect MAGA to know history, let alone know how to apply lessons learned.

[Anonymous]

Indeed, this, along with sooo many other reasons, is why I hate what the R party has become. It's the party of ignorant people.

-former R

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I posted an abbreviated version of this earlier this re the Chinese sailing around, while the Britain was expanding its knowledge and skills, and thus was growing its empire and influence. People balked and said I was an idiot.

[Anonymous]

We're not isolationist.

We're invading Gaza, Iran, Panama, Greenland, and Canada.

[Anonymous]

America First is really America never, just the way Putin wants it.

[Anonymous]

The anger and hurt of Americans led to the election of Trump and his nonsense will devastate the US. It's just history repeating itself as history does. Unfortunately for all of us, it's our time

[Anonymous]

Isolationism? We will be picking up territory in the Atlantic, expanding manifest destiny (Canada& Mexico) to cover all of North America.

Winning proxy wars in the Middle East (Israel vs everybody) and getting Ukraine to decimate Russia’s military capability.

Europe is agreeing to fair trade practices and China will have to do the same. If you call that isolationism then so be it.

[Anonymous]

Every empire has a fall. USA is on the downward curve now

[Anonymous]

America is bankrupt. The bond market and USD are crashing.

The US can't afford to do anything other than be isolationist. BBB is going to add even more debt. We can't afford $5T more for yet another 20 year war in the ME.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 1434, the Chinese emperor issued the Edict of Haijin, which closed off China from the rest of the world. Before that Chinese ships sailed much of the known world to advertise their cultural superiority, ssek tribute, and basically proclaim themselves the center of the world. They had taken some steps in retreat before this because of piracy, hoping that without their ships as targets, pirates would fade away. They also didn't like Japan and decided not to let Japan import Chinese products. A large number of voyages in the first part of the century, parading Chinese engineering, artistic, and scientific prowess were also considered "waste, fraud, and abuse" by some Chinese officials, so they shut down everything except for some frontier trading posts.

Which meant that 350 years later, when the British showed up, they were a weak and stagnant country.

Whatever happened to the British empire? Spain went bankrupt four times even with all of that loot. You see there were these people called the Germans they were pretty much land locked, did fine without trade.

Then their were the Americans who invented the steel sided gun boat because they went to war over slavery. A steel sided gun boat was what brought about the capture of the Summer Palace by sailing up the Yangtze.

The point is that the concept of peace and prosperity (Isolationism) is actually very powerful. In many ways Americans ability to be self sustaining has lead us to where we are today. When the sit hit the fan globally we were able to take massive advantage of the global failure that were WWI and WWI. Being as how we were the only ones with functional manufacturing after the wars. This is the position China is about to adopt. China was a step behind, but if this happens again (ahem Ukraine, Israel, etc), it won't go so well for us.

Maybe we should fight ourselves more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 1434, the Chinese emperor issued the Edict of Haijin, which closed off China from the rest of the world. Before that Chinese ships sailed much of the known world to advertise their cultural superiority, ssek tribute, and basically proclaim themselves the center of the world. They had taken some steps in retreat before this because of piracy, hoping that without their ships as targets, pirates would fade away. They also didn't like Japan and decided not to let Japan import Chinese products. A large number of voyages in the first part of the century, parading Chinese engineering, artistic, and scientific prowess were also considered "waste, fraud, and abuse" by some Chinese officials, so they shut down everything except for some frontier trading posts.

Which meant that 350 years later, when the British showed up, they were a weak and stagnant country.

Whatever happened to the British empire? Spain went bankrupt four times even with all of that loot. You see there were these people called the Germans they were pretty much land locked, did fine without trade.

Then their were the Americans who invented the steel sided gun boat because they went to war over slavery. A steel sided gun boat was what brought about the capture of the Summer Palace by sailing up the Yangtze.

The point is that the concept of peace and prosperity (Isolationism) is actually very powerful. In many ways Americans ability to be self sustaining has lead us to where we are today. When the sit hit the fan globally we were able to take massive advantage of the global failure that were WWI and WWI. Being as how we were the only ones with functional manufacturing after the wars. This is the position China is about to adopt. China was a step behind, but if this happens again (ahem Ukraine, Israel, etc), it won't go so well for us.

Maybe we should fight ourselves more.

+1 The whole analogy is deeply flawed as today China is a large, prosperous, ethnically homogenous super power. Where are the Byzantine, Spanish, English and other empires that did the whole invade the world invite the world business?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:C'mon, OP, you can't expect MAGA to know history, let alone know how to apply lessons learned.

You remember the opium wars Britain prosecuted against China, which now the Chinese are prosecuting against the US, and which you globalists deny is even happening?

MAGA knows a lot more about history than silly progressives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 1434, the Chinese emperor issued the Edict of Haijin, which closed off China from the rest of the world. Before that Chinese ships sailed much of the known world to advertise their cultural superiority, ssek tribute, and basically proclaim themselves the center of the world. They had taken some steps in retreat before this because of piracy, hoping that without their ships as targets, pirates would fade away. They also didn't like Japan and decided not to let Japan import Chinese products. A large number of voyages in the first part of the century, parading Chinese engineering, artistic, and scientific prowess were also considered "waste, fraud, and abuse" by some Chinese officials, so they shut down everything except for some frontier trading posts.

Which meant that 350 years later, when the British showed up, they were a weak and stagnant country.

Whatever happened to the British empire? Spain went bankrupt four times even with all of that loot. You see there were these people called the Germans they were pretty much land locked, did fine without trade.

Then their were the Americans who invented the steel sided gun boat because they went to war over slavery. A steel sided gun boat was what brought about the capture of the Summer Palace by sailing up the Yangtze.

The point is that the concept of peace and prosperity (Isolationism) is actually very powerful. In many ways Americans ability to be self sustaining has lead us to where we are today. When the sit hit the fan globally we were able to take massive advantage of the global failure that were WWI and WWI. Being as how we were the only ones with functional manufacturing after the wars. This is the position China is about to adopt. China was a step behind, but if this happens again (ahem Ukraine, Israel, etc), it won't go so well for us.

Maybe we should fight ourselves more.

The US only came out of the ww because of location. It's all about the location. We were the only ones with a functioning manufacturing base because most of Europe and Asia were decimated.

Today, we live in a global world. The US cannot go it alone. We rely on minerals from China. Even if we were to "bring back the manufacturing", there would be nothing to manufacture without China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1drqeev36qo

China grew in part because it used a cudgel to keep their people in line. There were no fair wages, working standards, etc.. They used slave labor. Are you saying you want us to adopt Chinese labor laws?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:C'mon, OP, you can't expect MAGA to know history, let alone know how to apply lessons learned.

You remember the opium wars Britain prosecuted against China, which now the Chinese are prosecuting against the US, and which you globalists deny is even happening?

MAGA knows a lot more about history than silly progressives.

? You think it was the opium wars that caused the British empire to fall? What globalist is denying there's an opium problem? I have no idea what this has do to with US isolationism.