FCPS is turning the new high school purchased to fix crowding into an Aviation magnet school instead of a high school??

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

I don't see it happening either unless those doing the zoning recognize that Bradley Farm and Monterey Estates (which are partially zoned to Fox Mill) are very close neighborhoods to the KAA site.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

I don't see it happening either unless those doing the zoning recognize that Bradley Farm and Monterey Estates (which are partially zoned to Fox Mill) are very close neighborhoods to the KAA site.

Fox Mill is closer to KAA then SLHS but not by much. Crossfield will have priority because of the long commute to Oakton.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

I don't see it happening either unless those doing the zoning recognize that Bradley Farm and Monterey Estates (which are partially zoned to Fox Mill) are very close neighborhoods to the KAA site.

Fox Mill is closer to KAA then SLHS but not by much. Crossfield will have priority because of the long commute to Oakton.

Priority as between Fox Mill and Crossfield isn't going to matter if KAA only has space for Coates, McNair, Floris, and Oak Hill.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

I don't see it happening either unless those doing the zoning recognize that Bradley Farm and Monterey Estates (which are partially zoned to Fox Mill) are very close neighborhoods to the KAA site.

Fox Mill is closer to KAA then SLHS but not by much. Crossfield will have priority because of the long commute to Oakton.

Priority as between Fox Mill and Crossfield isn't going to matter if KAA only has space for Coates, McNair, Floris, and Oak Hill.

If you move these four schools to KAA, and reassign the Navy island to Oak Hill so Oak Hill's enrollment increases, they'd be very close to the 2000-student target at KAA.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

I don't see it happening either unless those doing the zoning recognize that Bradley Farm and Monterey Estates (which are partially zoned to Fox Mill) are very close neighborhoods to the KAA site.

Fox Mill is closer to KAA then SLHS but not by much. Crossfield will have priority because of the long commute to Oakton.

Priority as between Fox Mill and Crossfield isn't going to matter if KAA only has space for Coates, McNair, Floris, and Oak Hill.

If you move these four schools to KAA, and reassign the Navy island to Oak Hill so Oak Hill's enrollment increases, they'd be very close to the 2000-student target at KAA.

The one caveat to this is that if they move kids out of Coates, which they clearly need to do, the Coates enrollment could go down quite a bit, which might mean at least part of a fifth feeder can go to KAA.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

We are a Crossfield family and this is our concern, too. I believe Fox Mill is the only ES that goes to Carson-SLHS and Crossfield is the only one that goes to Carson-Oakton (except for the AAP kids, but that problem is being solved when they put AAP in every middle school and they all go back to Franklin).

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

They're not going to move Crossfield to KAA. Nobody at Crossfield wants that to happen. They want to stay at Oakton.

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I would assume the Navy Island would want to stay mapped to Frankin-Oakton. I could foresee them swapping Crossfield and Oak Hill at Carson. That way all the ES that feed Carson would go to KAA, with the exception of Fox Mill, but others have suggested Fox Mill could get switches to Hughes.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

They're not going to move Crossfield to KAA. Nobody at Crossfield wants that to happen. They want to stay at Oakton.

Plenty of people at Crossfield want the shorter commute to KAA instead of Oakton. You don't speak for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

I don't see it happening either unless those doing the zoning recognize that Bradley Farm and Monterey Estates (which are partially zoned to Fox Mill) are very close neighborhoods to the KAA site.

Fox Mill is closer to KAA then SLHS but not by much. Crossfield will have priority because of the long commute to Oakton.

Priority as between Fox Mill and Crossfield isn't going to matter if KAA only has space for Coates, McNair, Floris, and Oak Hill.

If you move these four schools to KAA, and reassign the Navy island to Oak Hill so Oak Hill's enrollment increases, they'd be very close to the 2000-student target at KAA.

Waiting for tonight's maps, but I am pretty sure they are going to reassign the Navy Island to Crossfield and move the Fox Mill Woods neighborhood to Hunters Woods ES so those kids can go to ES with the kids they end up at Hughes & SLHS with. This will keep Crossfield enrollment the same and keep Franklin Farm families together.

Note that Fox Mill Woods has nothing to do with Fox Mill ES, it's not even close. I know people get confused about the names.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

They're not going to move Crossfield to KAA. Nobody at Crossfield wants that to happen. They want to stay at Oakton.

Plenty of people at Crossfield want the shorter commute to KAA instead of Oakton. You don't speak for everyone.

It seems like at least two School Board members (Frisch and McDaniel) would like to find a way to move at least part of Crossfield to KAA. But it's going to be capacity constrained.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

They're not going to move Crossfield to KAA. Nobody at Crossfield wants that to happen. They want to stay at Oakton.

Plenty of people at Crossfield want the shorter commute to KAA instead of Oakton. You don't speak for everyone.

Oh no, I'm one of you, but I haven't talked to a single parent who wants to end up at KAA when I've brought this up to friends and neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

They're not going to move Crossfield to KAA. Nobody at Crossfield wants that to happen. They want to stay at Oakton.

Plenty of people at Crossfield want the shorter commute to KAA instead of Oakton. You don't speak for everyone.

Oh no, I'm one of you, but I haven't talked to a single parent who wants to end up at KAA when I've brought this up to friends and neighbors.

Typically, with boundary changes that involve the elimination of split feeders, parents with younger kids tend to look at it more favorably than parents with older kids who may already be invested in a particular high school. I would suspect that, given that it's going to take years for KAA to transition to a typical 9-12 high school, some would prefer to stick with Oakton even if others would prefer a shorter commute.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet Chantilly, Westfield, and apparently now Oakton are still in or on the brink of capacity issues. Sure, it looks like we've got a little covid dip in the numbers coming up in elementary schools, but banking on a once-a-century pandemic to keep the numbers down long term doesn't seem like sound planning advice.

Yet Herndon has hundreds of vacant seats and enrollments are coming down (over 4000 down this year) and expected to continue to decline for reasons beyond Covid.

And what happens to the planned Centreville expansion now? Is it cancelled? Why isn't that part of the discussion?

The crowded schools and under capacity schools are the ones that should be targeted for boundary change. The problem is everyone is fighting to not be moved to the under-capacity schools. Suggest that people be moved to Herndon, Lewis, or Mt Vernon and watch people flip out.

People are fighting to not be moved while arguing other people should be moved because of open spaces and to relieve crowding, just not them. That is the cycle we are in.

KAA can reduce the overcrowding and should be used as the reason for shifting multiple groups of kids at the same time. It sucks for the kids who are moved but it is happening to everyone at the same time for the same reason. Kids should be moved to Herndon to use those spots. The spiffy new program should be put at Herndon to encourage kids to attend Herndon.

Centerville should not be expanded because there are spaces in the area that can be filled. Everyone is fine with that idea as long as their kid isn't moved.

I don't know what to make of most of your post, other than that you're fine with a lot of boundary changes that would inconvenience other people so long as the Carson folks get what they want, but the bolded part makes sense.

KAA is apparently going to be small, just 2000 kids. Why should any seats there, whether it's 90 seats or 150 seats, potentially be set aside for out of boundary kids to attend a "pathways" program at KAA if they could put it at Herndon, with its surplus capacity, instead?

They have a significant number of Willow Springs families who'd like to be at Centreville rather than Fairfax. They need to be taking that into account when deciding what to do with Centreville. Maybe it's a wash if part of Centreville moves to Westfield, but the pieces are connected and they don't seem to be thinking ahead.

My desire is not likely to happen. Fox Mill is highly unlikely to move to KAA and SLHS is not going to drop IB. We will probably need to pupil place for AP classes. I am fine with the boundaries in our area shifting to deal with the over-crowding and balancing schools better and think it is worth it to not expand Centerville. I don't think that the expansions in the area made a lot of sense. I do think that McLean needs a major renovation.

I live in Fox Mill too.

Why do you say it’s highly unlikely that Fox Mill kids would go to KAA? I think they have a fighting chance.

But I don’t really mind South Lakes as I’ve heard good things about their IB program.

My big issue is that most Carson kids go to Westfield (and probably KAA in the future), so my child at Carson would lose most of their friends when they enter 9th grade.

The split feeder pattern is something FCPS promised to minimize, but I’m not sure if they will address Carson’s three-way split (or four-way split, counting AAP out-of-boundary kids).

Because no one wants to backfill into South Lakes, most people want nothing to do with the IB program. The families that might be interested in SLHS would come from Herndon HS, a good number of Herndon students pupil place into SLHS, and no one is pulling students from Herndon because it is already has empty seats. The school board is more likely to move Crossfield, which goes to Oakton, to KAA to save on time on the bus, then Fox Mill.

I suspect that Fox Mill is more likely to be moved to Hughes for MS and stay at SLHS than to be moved to KAA. That would solve the split feeder issue.

SLHS is a good school but the IB program is not a draw. You get fewer college credits out of it, barely 10% of the graduating seniors bother with the diploma, and the number of participating students is too small to offer the HL classes across the board. I have no idea how a STEM kid takes multiple IB sciences because they require all the IB exams be taken in senior year.

I hope Fox Mill moves to KAA, I just don’t see it happening.

They're not going to move Crossfield to KAA. Nobody at Crossfield wants that to happen. They want to stay at Oakton.

Plenty of people at Crossfield want the shorter commute to KAA instead of Oakton. You don't speak for everyone.

Oh no, I'm one of you, but I haven't talked to a single parent who wants to end up at KAA when I've brought this up to friends and neighbors.

Typically, with boundary changes that involve the elimination of split feeders, parents with younger kids tend to look at it more favorably than parents with older kids who may already be invested in a particular high school. I would suspect that, given that it's going to take years for KAA to transition to a typical 9-12 high school, some would prefer to stick with Oakton even if others would prefer a shorter commute.

This. My kid is in 8th grade. The parents we talk to about KAA are less then excited because there will be fewer sports opportunities, a lack of community feel, and uncertainty since the entire staff will be knew. The K parents think it is a great idea because their kids will get there in 7 years when it is more established.