Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t believe the kids mom allowed it?! I mean if a husband wants to risk a life you can’t necessarily stop him but most moms wouldn’t let DH risk their kid’s life. Unless it was one of those you’re 18, I can’t stop you households. But usually Pakistani households aren’t like that - though I guess only 1/2 Pakistani here.

Your comment reveals your hindsight bias. They almost certainly didn’t know how risky this was. We only know now due to the intense investigations related to the incident.

DP: It doesn’t take “hindsight” or “bias” or “intense investigations related to the incident “ to get that being sealed into a small container to go exploring a wreck — inherently unpredictable— with a limited supply of air, and few if any specific plans in the event of an emergency is way beyond what most people would view as “risky” — on multiple levels.

Life is all about risk/rewards. That’s what makes us humans different than our closest cousins the chimps. Without it, we are no different. Want a banana PP?

Totally agree. Just the other day I rode a motorcycle in the dark with no helmet. The thrill I experienced reminded me of how grateful I am that humans evolved to take risks like this.

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Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

I say this as someone who teaches teenagers: their propensity to assigning EVERY SINGLE THING that happens in the world, even past documented incidents, an ulterior motive or conspiracy theory is incredibly annoying. These kids literally think Helen Keller didn’t exist and that the Titanic was sunk on purpose and other such nonsense. Why indulge this.

I teach teens and they don’t even know who Helen Keller was.

My students only know who she is because they consume garbage content trying to disprove she ever existed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is like the Challenger disaster but in the opposite direction

No, that was an actual national tragedy. I’m sorry to say but this is just a bunch of dumb guys (and a poor teenager) who did something stupid and then died because of it. It happens every day.

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Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

I say this as someone who teaches teenagers: their propensity to assigning EVERY SINGLE THING that happens in the world, even past documented incidents, an ulterior motive or conspiracy theory is incredibly annoying. These kids literally think Helen Keller didn’t exist and that the Titanic was sunk on purpose and other such nonsense. Why indulge this.

I teach teens and they don’t even know who Helen Keller was.

My students only know who she is because they consume garbage content trying to disprove she ever existed

Oh wow. Could you maybe do a DCUM post titled “crazy things your kids believe” so that I can make sure that my kids aren’t believing these things?

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Anonymous wrote:Coast Guard officials estimated the five passengers could run out of air just before 7:10 a.m.

Maybe then this circus can die down. There was never any hope of rescue so wall to wall coverage if this for 4 straight days was getting crazy. Once the official limits of oxygen capacity have been surpassed the story can die.

You must be new to these things. Media won’t let this stop their ratings are sky high. It will turn to what we can expect when oxygen runs out (with diagrams) and hypotheticals.

CO2 levels inside 22ft vessel will act like a 'sedative' that suffocates the five missing adventurers in their sleep - but hypothermia could SAVE them.

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.

Ok, but question for you two - how do you manage to get out of bed much less function on a daily basis with the amount of suffering and death that occurs every second around the world? I can think of many, many situations that are far worse for people (especially because they didn't put themselves in those situations!), that break my heart more than this. Yes, this is sad, it's sad when (almost anyone) dies, especially in a manner like this. But it's not remotely as sad as children dying of starvation, children being sold off into sex slavery, migrants dying trying to cross a body of water. I could go on and on. So if THIS is what you want to categorize as traumatizing, how do you handle everything else that's going on?

I’m the poster who originally posited that this is a potentially traumatic incident for many millions of people. Recent decades of research in psychology and neuroscience has clearly established that our brains are impacted by vicarious trauma, folks who work in fields where they are witness to traumatic experiences are clearly affected. Some people are affected more than others - there is now growing consensus that some people, perhaps ~30%, are highly sensitive people upon whom trauma had greater impact than others.

I actually *do* struggle every day with how to cope with psychological anguish I feel considering the suffering of others I have never met - victims of the war in Ukraine, starving children in the Sudan, girls and women raped and murdered all over the world as a weapon of war and/or misogyny.

In this case I am not traumatized so much by the loss of these five people but rather by the manner of the deaths - as the whole world contemplates whether they were blown to bits in a sudden depressurization or whether they are experiencing the hellish agony of a long slow descent into madness and suffocation.

They didn’t do this TO you. If only there was a way for you to not click on a website or watch this on the tv. I believe HGTV has no coverage of this at all.

I haven’t been watching television coverage, nor do I typically watch news.

Thanks for revealing your utter ignorance about how trauma works in the brain.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.

Ok, but question for you two - how do you manage to get out of bed much less function on a daily basis with the amount of suffering and death that occurs every second around the world? I can think of many, many situations that are far worse for people (especially because they didn't put themselves in those situations!), that break my heart more than this. Yes, this is sad, it's sad when (almost anyone) dies, especially in a manner like this. But it's not remotely as sad as children dying of starvation, children being sold off into sex slavery, migrants dying trying to cross a body of water. I could go on and on. So if THIS is what you want to categorize as traumatizing, how do you handle everything else that's going on?

I’m the poster who originally posited that this is a potentially traumatic incident for many millions of people. Recent decades of research in psychology and neuroscience has clearly established that our brains are impacted by vicarious trauma, folks who work in fields where they are witness to traumatic experiences are clearly affected. Some people are affected more than others - there is now growing consensus that some people, perhaps ~30%, are highly sensitive people upon whom trauma had greater impact than others.

I actually *do* struggle every day with how to cope with psychological anguish I feel considering the suffering of others I have never met - victims of the war in Ukraine, starving children in the Sudan, girls and women raped and murdered all over the world as a weapon of war and/or misogyny.

In this case I am not traumatized so much by the loss of these five people but rather by the manner of the deaths - as the whole world contemplates whether they were blown to bits in a sudden depressurization or whether they are experiencing the hellish agony of a long slow descent into madness and suffocation.

They didn’t do this TO you. If only there was a way for you to not click on a website or watch this on the tv. I believe HGTV has no coverage of this at all.

I haven’t been watching television coverage, nor do I typically watch news.

Thanks for revealing your utter ignorance about how trauma works in the brain.

Girl you are NOT having a trauma response to this, be so for real. Get off the internet, you are too online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

I say this as someone who teaches teenagers: their propensity to assigning EVERY SINGLE THING that happens in the world, even past documented incidents, an ulterior motive or conspiracy theory is incredibly annoying. These kids literally think Helen Keller didn’t exist and that the Titanic was sunk on purpose and other such nonsense. Why indulge this.

I teach teens and they don’t even know who Helen Keller was.

My students only know who she is because they consume garbage content trying to disprove she ever existed

Oh wow. Could you maybe do a DCUM post titled “crazy things your kids believe” so that I can make sure that my kids aren’t believing these things?

Yes! Good idea and I agree. Also why would anyone want to disprove Keller existed? So weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coast Guard officials estimated the five passengers could run out of air just before 7:10 a.m.

Maybe then this circus can die down. There was never any hope of rescue so wall to wall coverage if this for 4 straight days was getting crazy. Once the official limits of oxygen capacity have been surpassed the story can die.

You must be new to these things. Media won’t let this stop their ratings are sky high. It will turn to what we can expect when oxygen runs out (with diagrams) and hypotheticals.

CO2 levels inside 22ft vessel will act like a 'sedative' that suffocates the five missing adventurers in their sleep - but hypothermia could SAVE them.

Have they dropped the implosion theory?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.

Ok, but question for you two - how do you manage to get out of bed much less function on a daily basis with the amount of suffering and death that occurs every second around the world? I can think of many, many situations that are far worse for people (especially because they didn't put themselves in those situations!), that break my heart more than this. Yes, this is sad, it's sad when (almost anyone) dies, especially in a manner like this. But it's not remotely as sad as children dying of starvation, children being sold off into sex slavery, migrants dying trying to cross a body of water. I could go on and on. So if THIS is what you want to categorize as traumatizing, how do you handle everything else that's going on?

I’m the poster who originally posited that this is a potentially traumatic incident for many millions of people. Recent decades of research in psychology and neuroscience has clearly established that our brains are impacted by vicarious trauma, folks who work in fields where they are witness to traumatic experiences are clearly affected. Some people are affected more than others - there is now growing consensus that some people, perhaps ~30%, are highly sensitive people upon whom trauma had greater impact than others.

I actually *do* struggle every day with how to cope with psychological anguish I feel considering the suffering of others I have never met - victims of the war in Ukraine, starving children in the Sudan, girls and women raped and murdered all over the world as a weapon of war and/or misogyny.

In this case I am not traumatized so much by the loss of these five people but rather by the manner of the deaths - as the whole world contemplates whether they were blown to bits in a sudden depressurization or whether they are experiencing the hellish agony of a long slow descent into madness and suffocation.

They didn’t do this TO you. If only there was a way for you to not click on a website or watch this on the tv. I believe HGTV has no coverage of this at all.

PP, what an inveterate a$$hole you are. There are those among us who are unable or unwilling to ignore the suffering of others. Your lack of empathy is disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can’t believe the kids mom allowed it?! I mean if a husband wants to risk a life you can’t necessarily stop him but most moms wouldn’t let DH risk their kid’s life. Unless it was one of those you’re 18, I can’t stop you households. But usually Pakistani households aren’t like that - though I guess only 1/2 Pakistani here.

Your comment reveals your hindsight bias. They almost certainly didn’t know how risky this was. We only know now due to the intense investigations related to the incident.

DP: It doesn’t take “hindsight” or “bias” or “intense investigations related to the incident “ to get that being sealed into a small container to go exploring a wreck — inherently unpredictable— with a limited supply of air, and few if any specific plans in the event of an emergency is way beyond what most people would view as “risky” — on multiple levels.

Life is all about risk/rewards. That’s what makes us humans different than our closest cousins the chimps. Without it, we are no different. Want a banana PP?

Only a man would say the main difference between us and apes is that we have evolved to the point where we can ride motorcycles at night without helmets. What an idiotic thing to revel in.
Totally agree. Just the other day I rode a motorcycle in the dark with no helmet. The thrill I experienced reminded me of how grateful I am that humans evolved to take risks like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

No, it enters the water from a point quite a distance from the boat.

. How do you know this and why does it do that? Also why aren’t they tethered? There are bridge cables at least that long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

No, it enters the water from a point quite a distance from the boat.

. How do you know this and why does it do that? Also why aren’t they tethered? There are bridge cables at least that long.

Please god stop asking the tether question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coast Guard officials estimated the five passengers could run out of air just before 7:10 a.m.

Maybe then this circus can die down. There was never any hope of rescue so wall to wall coverage if this for 4 straight days was getting crazy. Once the official limits of oxygen capacity have been surpassed the story can die.

You must be new to these things. Media won’t let this stop their ratings are sky high. It will turn to what we can expect when oxygen runs out (with diagrams) and hypotheticals.

CO2 levels inside 22ft vessel will act like a 'sedative' that suffocates the five missing adventurers in their sleep - but hypothermia could SAVE them.

Have they dropped the implosion theory?

The CO2 would NOT act as a sedative. It’s the gas that makes you feel like you are strangled.

[Anonymous]

I read somewhere else that they now think it possible that Orcas caused this by bumping into the sub. Curious if that’s a real possibility, since I don’t think an orca’s nose is hard enough to break reinforced carbon fiber. 🤷🏽‍♀️