Does Vance go to Sunday Mass?

[Anonymous]

I’m curious how that works given his schedule.

[Anonymous]

He's a fake Catholic, so who really cares. Any real Catholic would have baptized his kids and had his wife convert. The whole thing is a transparent deviant sham to make this power hungry worm seem palatable. Spare me giving every supposed convert the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, no, I'm not a sucker and don't appreciate my religion being weaponized by frauds seeking to get over on people.

[Anonymous]

Why is Vance back at the Vatican again? Didn't he do enough seeing Pope Francis less than 24 hours before he passed?
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/05/19/us/trump-news#pope-leo-jd-vance-meeting
Vance at the Vatican: Vice President JD Vance met with Pope Leo XIV on Monday, the first private conversation between America’s two most high-profile Catholics since the new pontiff was elected this month. There has been some tension between the papacy and the White House, particularly over issues of immigration and theology.

[Anonymous]

He’s sending his son to a catholic school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He's a fake Catholic, so who really cares. Any real Catholic would have baptized his kids and had his wife convert. The whole thing is a transparent deviant sham to make this power hungry worm seem palatable. Spare me giving every supposed convert the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, no, I'm not a sucker and don't appreciate my religion being weaponized by frauds seeking to get over on people.

I could make a long list of things that Vance has done that are not in keeping with the teachings of the Catholic Church. But not forcing his wife to convert is definitely not on that list. Forcing your wife to convert is very much against Catholic teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the Pope told Vance to stick it.

I hope he was holding some garlic for protection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He's a fake Catholic, so who really cares. Any real Catholic would have baptized his kids and had his wife convert. The whole thing is a transparent deviant sham to make this power hungry worm seem palatable. Spare me giving every supposed convert the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, no, I'm not a sucker and don't appreciate my religion being weaponized by frauds seeking to get over on people.

Spoken like a "real catholic". How do you "get" your spouse to convert these days? assume that they will follow your orders? Kids are helpless to demands of their parents. Wives are adults and therefore are not helpless to the demands of their husbands -- Unless their husbands are very old school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the Pope told Vance to stick it.

I hope he threatened him with excommunication! (But not for respecting his wife’s religious beliefs.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's a fake Catholic, so who really cares. Any real Catholic would have baptized his kids and had his wife convert. The whole thing is a transparent deviant sham to make this power hungry worm seem palatable. Spare me giving every supposed convert the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, no, I'm not a sucker and don't appreciate my religion being weaponized by frauds seeking to get over on people.

Spoken like a "real catholic". How do you "get" your spouse to convert these days? assume that they will follow your orders? Kids are helpless to demands of their parents. Wives are adults and therefore are not helpless to the demands of their husbands -- Unless their husbands are very old school.

I am pretty sure that “real Catholic” is a troll misrepresenting Catholic beliefs to get a reaction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God, please smite him.

+1

Please, God. We need you to do some smiting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious how that works given his schedule.

If he misses mass on Sundays and holidays days of obligation, it's a mortal sin, no matter his schedule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's a fake Catholic, so who really cares. Any real Catholic would have baptized his kids and had his wife convert. The whole thing is a transparent deviant sham to make this power hungry worm seem palatable. Spare me giving every supposed convert the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, no, I'm not a sucker and don't appreciate my religion being weaponized by frauds seeking to get over on people.

I could make a long list of things that Vance has done that are not in keeping with the teachings of the Catholic Church. But not forcing his wife to convert is definitely not on that list. Forcing your wife to convert is very much against Catholic teaching.

Also, he is not required to have his kids baptized. He would have been recommended to baptize his children and raise them Catholic, but in his situation (married to a non-baptized person in a non-Catholic ceremony with conversion post-marriage) Catholics would give deference to preserving the bonds of marriage by refraining from giving cause for acrimony between the spouses. Meaning, the spouse would need to agree.

Clearly, Usha has agreed to a Catholic education for the kids and their attending mass. JD has said publicly he attends mass with the children and Usha. But I am guessing, that she has demurred on baptism in favor of having the kids decide whether they want to or not. His oldest son made the decision to be baptized when he was 7, and she must have agreed to go along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious how that works given his schedule.

If he misses mass on Sundays and holidays days of obligation, it's a mortal sin, no matter his schedule.

Actually, that's not exactly true. The Church says that the obligation to attend Mass is lifted in three types of situations. If you are ill. If you are facing a situation where not attending is the morally right thing to do (e.g. if you planned to attend Sunday morning Mass, but got called in to perform emergency surgery, then obviously saving the life is the right thing to do. If your wife is in labor, then being with her and supporting her is morally the right thing to do. I could imagine that there would be situations when a VP or President must attend to urgent business, and that staying with that business is the morally right thing to do. Finally, if you have a dispensation from your parish priest, or your bishop, again something he might have.

Having said that, I would imagine that there are priests who would be willing to celebrate a private Mass at the VP's residence etc . . . that work around his schedule.

Note: I can't stand Vance. I hate so many things that he does. I hope the Pope excommunicates him. But, as a Catholic, I don't think that announcing that he's not Catholic is fair. The reality is that, like every other religion, there are people in the Catholic church who make terrible choices. As Catholics, our obligation is to examine our church to see what we might be doing that contributes to those terrible choices, and to try to solve the problems those terrible choices lead to. Announcing that he's not Catholic, is like sticking our fingers in our ears. It's not going to lead to solutions.

Not to mention, whatever sin Vance might commit by not attending Mass, if in fact he has missed without illness, grave situation, or dispensation, pales in comparison to the sins he's helped this administration commit against vulnerable humans made in the image of God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious how that works given his schedule.

If he misses mass on Sundays and holidays days of obligation, it's a mortal sin, no matter his schedule.

Actually, that's not exactly true. The Church says that the obligation to attend Mass is lifted in three types of situations. If you are ill. If you are facing a situation where not attending is the morally right thing to do (e.g. if you planned to attend Sunday morning Mass, but got called in to perform emergency surgery, then obviously saving the life is the right thing to do. If your wife is in labor, then being with her and supporting her is morally the right thing to do. I could imagine that there would be situations when a VP or President must attend to urgent business, and that staying with that business is the morally right thing to do. Finally, if you have a dispensation from your parish priest, or your bishop, again something he might have.

Having said that, I would imagine that there are priests who would be willing to celebrate a private Mass at the VP's residence etc . . . that work around his schedule.

Note: I can't stand Vance. I hate so many things that he does. I hope the Pope excommunicates him. But, as a Catholic, I don't think that announcing that he's not Catholic is fair. The reality is that, like every other religion, there are people in the Catholic church who make terrible choices. As Catholics, our obligation is to examine our church to see what we might be doing that contributes to those terrible choices, and to try to solve the problems those terrible choices lead to. Announcing that he's not Catholic, is like sticking our fingers in our ears. It's not going to lead to solutions.

Not to mention, whatever sin Vance might commit by not attending Mass, if in fact he has missed without illness, grave situation, or dispensation, pales in comparison to the sins he's helped this administration commit against vulnerable humans made in the image of God.

Seems like it should be a sin to even be the VP of Trump, who is so obviously an atheist. I should say that some, maybe most, atheists are decent people, but Trump is not one of those. He is taking advantage of religious people by pretending to be one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the Pope told Vance to stick it.

+1