ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Insider here. Relax, your kids will still play but know that the change is coming.

Outsider here. I'm relaxed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the exact date of the US Club Soccer meeting where decisions will be made? What is the exact date of the USYS meeting where decisions will be made?

There is no date when a decision will be made. Could be today. May not be well into 2025. May never happen. This is a concept not a plan. It will take six months to put a plan together after they think they have the votes. So the decision will not decide when it happens.

Did you listen to the latest podcast from ECNL? They need to make the decision this month. It will happen and is not a concept.

That’s not what they said.

So why did cst retract and say that they are now hearing that US Soccer has no interest in moving back lol

[Anonymous]

ECNL said they don’t want to go alone (they can’t) because it would create a real mess. But ECNL wants everyone else to create chaos and align with them so that it’s less messy for ECNL. This whole thing is so dumb.

Then you get the fake “give me good reason not to change” thing, and then when they get a pretty darn good reason, they just dismiss it as “not good enough.”

From the Podcast:
“And it doesn't have to be everybody, but it's got to be the greater majority of organizations. I've challenged people and I said, come back with one positive reason for birth year in terms of player experience or player development. I'm still waiting for the one positive reason to support birth year beyond the proverbial other people in the world do it. So we keep falling back on that argument.”

This is just an entire movement, that is going to end in another mistake by US Soccer, because it’s all about a few loud parents who thing their kids are better than they are, and the birth month is holding them back at 17/18 years old…. Who could foresee consequences of getting out of alignment with the rest of the u15+ world? The rest of the world must be doing it all wrong…and emotionally reactive trap parents have it all figured out with their middling but poorly planned birth month kids….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the exact date of the US Club Soccer meeting where decisions will be made? What is the exact date of the USYS meeting where decisions will be made?

There is no date when a decision will be made. Could be today. May not be well into 2025. May never happen. This is a concept not a plan. It will take six months to put a plan together after they think they have the votes. So the decision will not decide when it happens.

Did you listen to the latest podcast from ECNL? They need to make the decision this month. It will happen and is not a concept.

That’s not what they said.

So why did cst retract and say that they are now hearing that US Soccer has no interest in moving back lol

Not sure I follow the thread or the reference to the podcast to how you’re getting to the fact that US Soccer doesn’t want to make a change.

I’m just saying the podcast didn’t say they had to make a decision this month, nor did they say “it will happen.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL said they don’t want to go alone (they can’t) because it would create a real mess. But ECNL wants everyone else to create chaos and align with them so that it’s less messy for ECNL. This whole thing is so dumb.

Then you get the fake “give me good reason not to change” thing, and then when they get a pretty darn good reason, they just dismiss it as “not good enough.”

From the Podcast:
“And it doesn't have to be everybody, but it's got to be the greater majority of organizations. I've challenged people and I said, come back with one positive reason for birth year in terms of player experience or player development. I'm still waiting for the one positive reason to support birth year beyond the proverbial other people in the world do it. So we keep falling back on that argument.”

This is just an entire movement, that is going to end in another mistake by US Soccer, because it’s all about a few loud parents who thing their kids are better than they are, and the birth month is holding them back at 17/18 years old…. Who could foresee consequences of getting out of alignment with the rest of the u15+ world? The rest of the world must be doing it all wrong…and emotionally reactive trap parents have it all figured out with their middling but poorly planned birth month kids….

If it's fake, respond to his challenge and make your argument.

"I've challenged people and I said, come back with one positive reason for birth year in terms of player experience or player development. I'm still waiting for the one positive reason to support birth year beyond the proverbial other people in the world do it."

Connect the dots for us - how has birth year benefited player experience or development? Why is it worth the problems everyone has been pointing out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL said they don’t want to go alone (they can’t) because it would create a real mess. But ECNL wants everyone else to create chaos and align with them so that it’s less messy for ECNL. This whole thing is so dumb.

Then you get the fake “give me good reason not to change” thing, and then when they get a pretty darn good reason, they just dismiss it as “not good enough.”

From the Podcast:
“And it doesn't have to be everybody, but it's got to be the greater majority of organizations. I've challenged people and I said, come back with one positive reason for birth year in terms of player experience or player development. I'm still waiting for the one positive reason to support birth year beyond the proverbial other people in the world do it. So we keep falling back on that argument.”

This is just an entire movement, that is going to end in another mistake by US Soccer, because it’s all about a few loud parents who thing their kids are better than they are, and the birth month is holding them back at 17/18 years old…. Who could foresee consequences of getting out of alignment with the rest of the u15+ world? The rest of the world must be doing it all wrong…and emotionally reactive trap parents have it all figured out with their middling but poorly planned birth month kids….

If it's fake, respond to his challenge and make your argument.

"I've challenged people and I said, come back with one positive reason for birth year in terms of player experience or player development. I'm still waiting for the one positive reason to support birth year beyond the proverbial other people in the world do it."

Connect the dots for us - how has birth year benefited player experience or development? Why is it worth the problems everyone has been pointing out?

To be honest I don’t think anyone has complained about birth year in real life lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the exact date of the US Club Soccer meeting where decisions will be made? What is the exact date of the USYS meeting where decisions will be made?

There is no date when a decision will be made. Could be today. May not be well into 2025. May never happen. This is a concept not a plan. It will take six months to put a plan together after they think they have the votes. So the decision will not decide when it happens.

Did you listen to the latest podcast from ECNL? They need to make the decision this month. It will happen and is not a concept.

That’s not what they said.

So why did cst retract and say that they are now hearing that US Soccer has no interest in moving back lol

Not sure I follow the thread or the reference to the podcast to how you’re getting to the fact that US Soccer doesn’t want to make a change.

I’m just saying the podcast didn’t say they had to make a decision this month, nor did they say “it will happen.”

Fall 2025 pal

[Anonymous]

Sense of entitlement is funny

All these people fighting to change everything except the work, sacrifice and discipline required by the kid to make it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the exact date of the US Club Soccer meeting where decisions will be made? What is the exact date of the USYS meeting where decisions will be made?

11/22

US club/USYS meeting in middle of October I believe the US soccer meeting is 11/22.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the exact date of the US Club Soccer meeting where decisions will be made? What is the exact date of the USYS meeting where decisions will be made?

There is no date when a decision will be made. Could be today. May not be well into 2025. May never happen. This is a concept not a plan. It will take six months to put a plan together after they think they have the votes. So the decision will not decide when it happens.

Did you listen to the latest podcast from ECNL? They need to make the decision this month. It will happen and is not a concept.

That’s not what they said.

So why did cst retract and say that they are now hearing that US Soccer has no interest in moving back lol

I don’t think US Soccer ever wanted to go back and now that momentum is pushing at them I’m sure they are signaling out we don’t like this. Just like ECNL (US Club) is saying they want this to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL said they don’t want to go alone (they can’t) because it would create a real mess. But ECNL wants everyone else to create chaos and align with them so that it’s less messy for ECNL. This whole thing is so dumb.

Then you get the fake “give me good reason not to change” thing, and then when they get a pretty darn good reason, they just dismiss it as “not good enough.”

From the Podcast:
“And it doesn't have to be everybody, but it's got to be the greater majority of organizations. I've challenged people and I said, come back with one positive reason for birth year in terms of player experience or player development. I'm still waiting for the one positive reason to support birth year beyond the proverbial other people in the world do it. So we keep falling back on that argument.”

This is just an entire movement, that is going to end in another mistake by US Soccer, because it’s all about a few loud parents who thing their kids are better than they are, and the birth month is holding them back at 17/18 years old…. Who could foresee consequences of getting out of alignment with the rest of the u15+ world? The rest of the world must be doing it all wrong…and emotionally reactive trap parents have it all figured out with their middling but poorly planned birth month kids….

To be honest I think it would be easier to just let ECNL do what they want and leave everyone else alone. Which maybe was on the table until US soccer said we want the majority to agree to get them on board.

But doesn’t sound easier to just let a private league decide what’s best for their business?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sense of entitlement is funny

All these people fighting to change everything except the work, sacrifice and discipline required by the kid to make it.

Nice try, we all know its actually birth month. Must be a Q1 parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL said they don’t want to go alone (they can’t) because it would create a real mess. But ECNL wants everyone else to create chaos and align with them so that it’s less messy for ECNL. This whole thing is so dumb.

Then you get the fake “give me good reason not to change” thing, and then when they get a pretty darn good reason, they just dismiss it as “not good enough.”

From the Podcast:
“And it doesn't have to be everybody, but it's got to be the greater majority of organizations. I've challenged people and I said, come back with one positive reason for birth year in terms of player experience or player development. I'm still waiting for the one positive reason to support birth year beyond the proverbial other people in the world do it. So we keep falling back on that argument.”

This is just an entire movement, that is going to end in another mistake by US Soccer, because it’s all about a few loud parents who thing their kids are better than they are, and the birth month is holding them back at 17/18 years old…. Who could foresee consequences of getting out of alignment with the rest of the u15+ world? The rest of the world must be doing it all wrong…and emotionally reactive trap parents have it all figured out with their middling but poorly planned birth month kids….

To be honest I think it would be easier to just let ECNL do what they want and leave everyone else alone. Which maybe was on the table until US soccer said we want the majority to agree to get them on board.

But doesn’t sound easier to just let a private league decide what’s best for their business?

Club wants the majority to agree before they present it to US Soccer. US Soccer has said they do not want to change back. US Soccer is looking at vaster landscape than Club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sense of entitlement is funny

All these people fighting to change everything except the work, sacrifice and discipline required by the kid to make it.

False equivalence as they are independent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL said they don’t want to go alone (they can’t) because it would create a real mess. But ECNL wants everyone else to create chaos and align with them so that it’s less messy for ECNL. This whole thing is so dumb.

Then you get the fake “give me good reason not to change” thing, and then when they get a pretty darn good reason, they just dismiss it as “not good enough.”

From the Podcast:
“And it doesn't have to be everybody, but it's got to be the greater majority of organizations. I've challenged people and I said, come back with one positive reason for birth year in terms of player experience or player development. I'm still waiting for the one positive reason to support birth year beyond the proverbial other people in the world do it. So we keep falling back on that argument.”

This is just an entire movement, that is going to end in another mistake by US Soccer, because it’s all about a few loud parents who thing their kids are better than they are, and the birth month is holding them back at 17/18 years old…. Who could foresee consequences of getting out of alignment with the rest of the u15+ world? The rest of the world must be doing it all wrong…and emotionally reactive trap parents have it all figured out with their middling but poorly planned birth month kids….

The world is a big place and no not everyone goes off of birth year. That is only for national teams. Many countries in Europe for their non academy teams play school year. Also many have bio banding which is for everyone but often it’s the later born kids who are the smaller players.

If the change to grad year we can still put together a team and bring them to an International competition.

Also not many teams outside of mls next go play internationally again the system can’t just favor the 1% of team and players or even 25% if it’s that high which it isn’t when you think about every single team in the US Rec to Academy level.