College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(OP here)

The Notre Dame Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick deserves respect for fighting for Cal & Stanford.

Now it is the moral responsibility of the Big Ten Conference to make an offer to UCal-Berkeley and to Stanford. It can be a low ball offer, but at least the $20 million that the Pac-12 had offered.

Notre Dame is among the classiest institution in higher education. Yes, those folks are sharp business people, but they also are to be respected & trusted.

If Notre Dame football wants to remain independent, then that is its business.

Standing up for Cal & Stanford was/is the right thing to do; now it is time for the Big Ten Conference do the same.

Swarbrick deserves nothing of the kind! Let him put his money where his mouth is. If he feels that strongly, he should call the Big Ten and tell them that ND will join the league only if Stanford and Cal are included in the deal. This nonsense of glorifying ND as a classy institution that should be trust and respected is complete BS. Let them remain independent and get shut out of the major conferences and championship series. Then we’ll see how classy they are.

I said classy, not stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(OP here)

The Notre Dame Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick deserves respect for fighting for Cal & Stanford.

Now it is the moral responsibility of the Big Ten Conference to make an offer to UCal-Berkeley and to Stanford. It can be a low ball offer, but at least the $20 million that the Pac-12 had offered.

Notre Dame is among the classiest institution in higher education. Yes, those folks are sharp business people, but they also are to be respected & trusted.

If Notre Dame football wants to remain independent, then that is its business.

Standing up for Cal & Stanford was/is the right thing to do; now it is time for the Big Ten Conference do the same.

Swarbrick deserves nothing of the kind! Let him put his money where his mouth is. If he feels that strongly, he should call the Big Ten and tell them that ND will join the league only if Stanford and Cal are included in the deal. This nonsense of glorifying ND as a classy institution that should be trust and respected is complete BS. Let them remain independent and get shut out of the major conferences and championship series. Then we’ll see how classy they are.

I said classy, not stupid.

So you think that joining the Big Ten would be a stupid move for ND?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:(OP again)

You have to love SMU. Those folks love their school and they love their football. SMU supporters put their money behind their agenda. I cannot wait until SMU gets into a Power 4 Conference.

Yes, paying players since before it was cool too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(OP here)

The Notre Dame Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick deserves respect for fighting for Cal & Stanford.

Now it is the moral responsibility of the Big Ten Conference to make an offer to UCal-Berkeley and to Stanford. It can be a low ball offer, but at least the $20 million that the Pac-12 had offered.

Notre Dame is among the classiest institution in higher education. Yes, those folks are sharp business people, but they also are to be respected & trusted.

If Notre Dame football wants to remain independent, then that is its business.

Standing up for Cal & Stanford was/is the right thing to do; now it is time for the Big Ten Conference do the same.

Swarbrick deserves nothing of the kind! Let him put his money where his mouth is. If he feels that strongly, he should call the Big Ten and tell them that ND will join the league only if Stanford and Cal are included in the deal. This nonsense of glorifying ND as a classy institution that should be trust and respected is complete BS. Let them remain independent and get shut out of the major conferences and championship series. Then we’ll see how classy they are.

I said classy, not stupid.

So you think that joining the Big Ten would be a stupid move for ND?

No, I do not. You misinterpreted my point. I think that Notre Dame will act in the best interest of Notre Dame.

Personally, I hope that Notre Dame does join the Big Ten Conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(OP here)

The Notre Dame Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick deserves respect for fighting for Cal & Stanford.

Now it is the moral responsibility of the Big Ten Conference to make an offer to UCal-Berkeley and to Stanford. It can be a low ball offer, but at least the $20 million that the Pac-12 had offered.

Notre Dame is among the classiest institution in higher education. Yes, those folks are sharp business people, but they also are to be respected & trusted.

If Notre Dame football wants to remain independent, then that is its business.

Standing up for Cal & Stanford was/is the right thing to do; now it is time for the Big Ten Conference do the same.

Swarbrick deserves nothing of the kind! Let him put his money where his mouth is. If he feels that strongly, he should call the Big Ten and tell them that ND will join the league only if Stanford and Cal are included in the deal. This nonsense of glorifying ND as a classy institution that should be trust and respected is complete BS. Let them remain independent and get shut out of the major conferences and championship series. Then we’ll see how classy they are.

I said classy, not stupid.

So you think that joining the Big Ten would be a stupid move for ND?

No, I do not. You misinterpreted my point. I think that Notre Dame will act in the best interest of Notre Dame.

Personally, I hope that Notre Dame does join the Big Ten Conference.

I agree that ND will act in their own best interest. All schools do. Preaching about what other schools should do, while not doing it yourself, is what many resent.

[Anonymous]

Just an observation: There seems to be a lot of anger toward Cal, Stanford, and Notre Dame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(OP again)

You have to love SMU. Those folks love their school and they love their football. SMU supporters put their money behind their agenda. I cannot wait until SMU gets into a Power 4 Conference.

Yes, paying players since before it was cool too!

Getting prosecuted for paying players before it was cool.

I have friends who were heavily recruited by Division I schools during that period, and *everyone* was doing it. SMU’s mistake was beating Texas twice in three years. They made the wrong people mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pete Bevacqua, who will become the Notre Dame AD early next year, was most recently the Chair of NBC Sports. I wouldn't be shocked if they figure out an attractive deal there!

Swarbrick is the figure who has been most adamant that ND will never join a conference. A lot of people speculate that after he retires, they will finally cave and join the Big10

They will join ACC if the ACC can survive. That is why they are pushing Cal and stanford. ACC is dead if they don’t make this addition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pete Bevacqua, who will become the Notre Dame AD early next year, was most recently the Chair of NBC Sports. I wouldn't be shocked if they figure out an attractive deal there!

Swarbrick is the figure who has been most adamant that ND will never join a conference. A lot of people speculate that after he retires, they will finally cave and join the Big10

They will join ACC if the ACC can survive. That is why they are pushing Cal and stanford. ACC is dead if they don’t make this addition.

(OP here)

My thought is that Cal & Stanford will be harmed if they join the ACC. The travel will place too much stress from exhaustion on young student-athletes.

Here is an article written by a journalism student at Penn State University regarding the upcoming travel burden placed on Big Ten athletes--and I have a possible solution that will work for the Big Ten Conference, but not for the ACC:

https://onwardstate.com/2023/08/09/big-ten-expansion-to-west-coast-damaging-student-in-student-athlete/

I will suggest a possible solution in my next post.

[Anonymous]

A suggestion regarding reduction of the travel burden for non-football Big Ten athletes beginning in 2024 and beyond:

The Big Ten Conference will be the first coast-to-coast national college conference and it should be the last. (SEC strength comes from its members being located in contiguous states in football country).

Because the Big Ten Conference occupies much of the mid-section of the country, it could adopt tournament style competitions located between the East Coast & the West Coast for non-revenue sports such as field hockey and lacrosse to ease the travel burden on the coastal university student-athletes.

Currently, the University of Nebraska is the western most member of the Big Ten Conference. Teams from Rutgers, Maryland, UCLA, USC, U Oregon, & U Washington, and Penn State among others could meet for multi-team competitions in Lincoln, Nebraska. This could reduce travel times by an average of 50% or more since one trip could include a match against more than one opponent.

Currently, wrestling & basketball utilize one location for meets against more than one opponent. This is not intended to be an elimination style tournament; it is intended to facilitate dual match competitions against more than one team in a single trip to a mid-point location. This will save time and money while greatly reducing stress on students.

Lincoln, Nebraska, for example, has lots of open space land available to add fields for baseball, soccer, lacrosse, field hockey, etc.

Indoor sports such as basketball and wrestling and indoor track could also be accommodated by the construction of just one additional state-of-the-art-facility.

This design can be implemented at any Big Ten university location which has land available for expansion. The cost savings for broadcasters such as the Big Ten Network would be substantial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pete Bevacqua, who will become the Notre Dame AD early next year, was most recently the Chair of NBC Sports. I wouldn't be shocked if they figure out an attractive deal there!

Swarbrick is the figure who has been most adamant that ND will never join a conference. A lot of people speculate that after he retires, they will finally cave and join the Big10

They will join ACC if the ACC can survive. That is why they are pushing Cal and stanford. ACC is dead if they don’t make this addition.

The ACC is dead when the GoR expires, but until that date gets close, they are the most stable conference

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A suggestion regarding reduction of the travel burden for non-football Big Ten athletes beginning in 2024 and beyond:

The Big Ten Conference will be the first coast-to-coast national college conference and it should be the last. (SEC strength comes from its members being located in contiguous states in football country).

Because the Big Ten Conference occupies much of the mid-section of the country, it could adopt tournament style competitions located between the East Coast & the West Coast for non-revenue sports such as field hockey and lacrosse to ease the travel burden on the coastal university student-athletes.

Currently, the University of Nebraska is the western most member of the Big Ten Conference. Teams from Rutgers, Maryland, UCLA, USC, U Oregon, & U Washington, and Penn State among others could meet for multi-team competitions in Lincoln, Nebraska. This could reduce travel times by an average of 50% or more since one trip could include a match against more than one opponent.

Currently, wrestling & basketball utilize one location for meets against more than one opponent. This is not intended to be an elimination style tournament; it is intended to facilitate dual match competitions against more than one team in a single trip to a mid-point location. This will save time and money while greatly reducing stress on students.

Lincoln, Nebraska, for example, has lots of open space land available to add fields for baseball, soccer, lacrosse, field hockey, etc.

Indoor sports such as basketball and wrestling and indoor track could also be accommodated by the construction of just one additional state-of-the-art-facility.

This design can be implemented at any Big Ten university location which has land available for expansion. The cost savings for broadcasters such as the Big Ten Network would be substantial.

You have some conferences selling the ability to play basketball in the Garden, others with great venues and passionate crowds like Rupp or the Dean Dome and then you have the Big10 pitching a neutral site in Lincoln? I'm sure that will go over really well with recruits

[Anonymous]

An additional way to reduce the travel burden for a coast-to-coast conference is to make sure there are enough teams located in the coastal regions to form divisions.

Adding UCal-Berkeley & Stanford to the Big Ten Conference would facilitate a West Coast division composed of 6 former Pac-12 universities (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, & Oregon).

It would allow the best teams from the Pac-12 to preserve rivalries and to ease into the Big Ten by playing divisional opponents more frequently than cross-country in-conference opponents.

This would save time & money while reducing stress on athletes and coaches because of lighter, more familiar travel burdens.

Much depends upon the vision for the future of the Big Ten Conference. This suggestion works whether the Big Ten Conference is made up of 20 teams or 24 teams--and, of course, even more teams than 24.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A suggestion regarding reduction of the travel burden for non-football Big Ten athletes beginning in 2024 and beyond:

The Big Ten Conference will be the first coast-to-coast national college conference and it should be the last. (SEC strength comes from its members being located in contiguous states in football country).

Because the Big Ten Conference occupies much of the mid-section of the country, it could adopt tournament style competitions located between the East Coast & the West Coast for non-revenue sports such as field hockey and lacrosse to ease the travel burden on the coastal university student-athletes.

Currently, the University of Nebraska is the western most member of the Big Ten Conference. Teams from Rutgers, Maryland, UCLA, USC, U Oregon, & U Washington, and Penn State among others could meet for multi-team competitions in Lincoln, Nebraska. This could reduce travel times by an average of 50% or more since one trip could include a match against more than one opponent.

Currently, wrestling & basketball utilize one location for meets against more than one opponent. This is not intended to be an elimination style tournament; it is intended to facilitate dual match competitions against more than one team in a single trip to a mid-point location. This will save time and money while greatly reducing stress on students.

Lincoln, Nebraska, for example, has lots of open space land available to add fields for baseball, soccer, lacrosse, field hockey, etc.

Indoor sports such as basketball and wrestling and indoor track could also be accommodated by the construction of just one additional state-of-the-art-facility.

This design can be implemented at any Big Ten university location which has land available for expansion. The cost savings for broadcasters such as the Big Ten Network would be substantial.

You have some conferences selling the ability to play basketball in the Garden, others with great venues and passionate crowds like Rupp or the Dean Dome and then you have the Big10 pitching a neutral site in Lincoln? I'm sure that will go over really well with recruits

It could be anywhere in the middle of the country including Chicago or Indianapolis. However, my vision is that these multi-team meets should be on a Big Ten member college campus. And this would not be the only meet on the schedule. Teams could still travel to campus locations for one-on-one matches. It is just a suggestion to lessen the travel burdens of time,money, & stress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A suggestion regarding reduction of the travel burden for non-football Big Ten athletes beginning in 2024 and beyond:

The Big Ten Conference will be the first coast-to-coast national college conference and it should be the last. (SEC strength comes from its members being located in contiguous states in football country).

Because the Big Ten Conference occupies much of the mid-section of the country, it could adopt tournament style competitions located between the East Coast & the West Coast for non-revenue sports such as field hockey and lacrosse to ease the travel burden on the coastal university student-athletes.

Currently, the University of Nebraska is the western most member of the Big Ten Conference. Teams from Rutgers, Maryland, UCLA, USC, U Oregon, & U Washington, and Penn State among others could meet for multi-team competitions in Lincoln, Nebraska. This could reduce travel times by an average of 50% or more since one trip could include a match against more than one opponent.

Currently, wrestling & basketball utilize one location for meets against more than one opponent. This is not intended to be an elimination style tournament; it is intended to facilitate dual match competitions against more than one team in a single trip to a mid-point location. This will save time and money while greatly reducing stress on students.

Lincoln, Nebraska, for example, has lots of open space land available to add fields for baseball, soccer, lacrosse, field hockey, etc.

Indoor sports such as basketball and wrestling and indoor track could also be accommodated by the construction of just one additional state-of-the-art-facility.

This design can be implemented at any Big Ten university location which has land available for expansion. The cost savings for broadcasters such as the Big Ten Network would be substantial.

You have some conferences selling the ability to play basketball in the Garden, others with great venues and passionate crowds like Rupp or the Dean Dome and then you have the Big10 pitching a neutral site in Lincoln? I'm sure that will go over really well with recruits

It could be anywhere in the middle of the country including Chicago or Indianapolis. However, my vision is that these multi-team meets should be on a Big Ten member college campus. And this would not be the only meet on the schedule. Teams could still travel to campus locations for one-on-one matches. It is just a suggestion to lessen the travel burdens of time,money, & stress.

Zero home games with home fans and family is what every kid dreams of when they have the chance to play for a college. Sure the kids from USC or UCLA may toy with the idea of games in LA with packed houses and their parents watching, but that pales in comparison to a disinterested crowd at a neutral venue in Indianapolis