Andover matriculation

[Anonymous]

My kid is at another HADES school. The sr parents from MD have a group chat. I'm assuming the VA parents have one too. All of our kids are applying to UMD because it's the state school. None of our kids actually want to attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is at another HADES school. The sr parents from MD have a group chat. I'm assuming the VA parents have one too. All of our kids are applying to UMD because it's the state school. None of our kids actually want to attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it rubs people wrong, but the fact is UVA is more prestigious in the eyes of Andover graduates than a UNC or Michigan or UCLA.

You can debate why they might be misguided, but it is a fact that the graduates do think that.

I’m confused on how anyone is extrapolating this. What if Berkeley or UCLA or Michigan just don’t accept Andover grads at the rate UVA does? What if the other state schools were all rejected for ivies. So much narrative fitting.

Re UCLA and Berkely, might be bias against Andover by UC admissions and/or bias against UC by Andover families. California likes public schools and UC admissions might not view Andover different than any public school. UC is test blind so the 1480 average(!) SAT at Andover doesn't distinguish the students. On other hand, very affluent families don't like UCLA and Berkeley that much. Those 2 schools have the lowest % of very affluent people in T20.

Michigan is different. They will consider SAT score. Michigan is also a lot more popular with very affluent families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it rubs people wrong, but the fact is UVA is more prestigious in the eyes of Andover graduates than a UNC or Michigan or UCLA.

You can debate why they might be misguided, but it is a fact that the graduates do think that.

I’m confused on how anyone is extrapolating this. What if Berkeley or UCLA or Michigan just don’t accept Andover grads at the rate UVA does? What if the other state schools were all rejected for ivies. So much narrative fitting.

Talking about acceptance is pointless because the data Andover provides is matriculation, not acceptances.

[Anonymous]

Not surprised to see so many go to Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Northwestern, Stanford, UChicago, Williams and Amhest.

117 students out of 338 go to the very best colleges in the United States.

That is quite the outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not surprised to see so many go to Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Northwestern, Stanford, UChicago, Williams and Amhest.

117 students out of 338 go to the very best colleges in the United States.

That is quite the outcome.

If 5% of the class is admitted or matriculates to a T25/T5, it’s an astounding private high school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not surprised to see so many go to Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Northwestern, Stanford, UChicago, Williams and Amhest.

117 students out of 338 go to the very best colleges in the United States.

That is quite the outcome.

If 5% of the class is admitted or matriculates to a T25/T5, it’s an astounding private high school.

50%

[Anonymous]

Tufts, NEU, BC, Tufts, BU also getting some local Andover love.

[Anonymous]

One thing that is hard for me to understand is that while Andover is super generous with providing scholarships to low income students that comes at a big cost if you have to send your child away at 14. There's such a tradeoff of missing out on formative years with other siblings etc. with life altering network, etc. That isn't an easy choice for a poorer family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it rubs people wrong, but the fact is UVA is more prestigious in the eyes of Andover graduates than a UNC or Michigan or UCLA.

You can debate why they might be misguided, but it is a fact that the graduates do think that.

Sure. Of maybe there is just a well-worn pathway to UVA. My twins attend two different privates. At one, UVA is doable with a 3.8. At the other you really need a 3.9. Michigan is the reverse. The second school will take kids down to about a 3.7 while Michigan routinely requires a 3.9 from the first high school.

Who knows why this is the case. Personal relationships between the local admissions rep and the high school(s) college counseling office? Experience with past grads (both positive and negative) from these high schools?

In the world of private high schools relationships with colleges is a BIG factor that determines where kids apply.

I know several Deerfield grads at UVA, none of whom are in state. I was told by one of their parents that there is a “relationship” between UVA and Deerfield and that it’s basically a sure bet for kids who apply. My sense from talking to two of the kids, both HYP legacies, UVA is considered a great school, fun, and warm, and therefore more appealing than trying to use their legacy card.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it rubs people wrong, but the fact is UVA is more prestigious in the eyes of Andover graduates than a UNC or Michigan or UCLA.

You can debate why they might be misguided, but it is a fact that the graduates do think that.

Sure. Of maybe there is just a well-worn pathway to UVA. My twins attend two different privates. At one, UVA is doable with a 3.8. At the other you really need a 3.9. Michigan is the reverse. The second school will take kids down to about a 3.7 while Michigan routinely requires a 3.9 from the first high school.

Who knows why this is the case. Personal relationships between the local admissions rep and the high school(s) college counseling office? Experience with past grads (both positive and negative) from these high schools?

In the world of private high schools relationships with colleges is a BIG factor that determines where kids apply.

I know several Deerfield grads at UVA, none of whom are in state. I was told by one of their parents that there is a “relationship” between UVA and Deerfield and that it’s basically a sure bet for kids who apply. My sense from talking to two of the kids, both HYP legacies, UVA is considered a great school, fun, and warm, and therefore more appealing than trying to use their legacy card.

Agree that this seems to be an accurate observation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools with 3 or more matriculations:

University of Chicago 21
Harvard University 12
Yale University 12
Stanford University 11
Boston University 10
Brown University 10
Northeastern University 10
Columbia University 8
Georgetown University 8
New York University 8
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 7
Northwestern University 7
University of Pennsylvania 7
University of Virginia 7
Cornell University 6
University of Massachusetts, Amherst 6
Boston College 5
Carnegie Mellon University 5
Villanova University 5
Williams College 5
Emory University 4
Tufts University 4
Tulane University 4
The University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill 4
University of St. Andrews 4
Wellesley College 4
Wesleyan University 4
Amherst College 3
Babson College 3
Bates College 3
Bowdoin College 3
Colby College 3
Colgate University 3
College of the Holy Cross 3
Colorado College 3
Dartmouth College 3
McGill University 3
Middlebury College 3
Princeton University 3
Rutgers University 3
Skidmore College 3
Southern Methodist University 3
The University of Texas at Austin 3
United States Naval Academy 3
University of California, San Diego 3
University of Michigan 3
University of Southern California 3
University of Wisconsin, Madison 3
Vanderbilt University 3
Washington University, St. Louis 3

What does a higher number of Martriculates say about the school, popularity? Or easy admissions? UChicago is suspect to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why discussion of a private MA HS on a DMV college forum?

Because most of us do not live in a locked closet in our parents' basement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why it rubs people wrong, but the fact is UVA is more prestigious in the eyes of Andover graduates than a UNC or Michigan or UCLA.

You can debate why they might be misguided, but it is a fact that the graduates do think that.

Agree, UVA is the private school of public schools, the only one I would send my child to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools with 3 or more matriculations:

University of Chicago 21
Harvard University 12
Yale University 12
Stanford University 11
Boston University 10
Brown University 10
Northeastern University 10
Columbia University 8
Georgetown University 8
New York University 8
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 7
Northwestern University 7
University of Pennsylvania 7
University of Virginia 7
Cornell University 6
University of Massachusetts, Amherst 6
Boston College 5
Carnegie Mellon University 5
Villanova University 5
Williams College 5
Emory University 4
Tufts University 4
Tulane University 4
The University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill 4
University of St. Andrews 4
Wellesley College 4
Wesleyan University 4
Amherst College 3
Babson College 3
Bates College 3
Bowdoin College 3
Colby College 3
Colgate University 3
College of the Holy Cross 3
Colorado College 3
Dartmouth College 3
McGill University 3
Middlebury College 3
Princeton University 3
Rutgers University 3
Skidmore College 3
Southern Methodist University 3
The University of Texas at Austin 3
United States Naval Academy 3
University of California, San Diego 3
University of Michigan 3
University of Southern California 3
University of Wisconsin, Madison 3
Vanderbilt University 3
Washington University, St. Louis 3

What does a higher number of Martriculates say about the school, popularity? Or easy admissions? UChicago is suspect to me.

Someone posted that the average SAT at Andover is something like 1450. Since they have so many high achieving students on scholarship (not wealthy) it is easy for the top schools to select students. It's not like Andover has only been around for a few years. Admissions officers know the quality of the curriculum and how Andover students perform. So that and a combination of very wealthy/legacy/donor/ high achievers provides a perfect recipe to accept so many of its graduates.