Did anyone receive an in pool letter?

[Anonymous]

I don’t want to ask anyone in real life. Assuming my child did not make the cut off.

[Anonymous]

They haven't gone out yet from what I understand.

[Anonymous]

They said that in pool is 10% of the school using either NNAT or Cogat. If that’s true I think my kid would be in pool because of 160 NNAT but I haven’t received anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They said that in pool is 10% of the school using either NNAT or Cogat. If that’s true I think my kid would be in pool because of 160 NNAT but I haven’t received anything.

Who is "they?" In prior years it was reported on this board as an average of NNAT and CogAT, but no one has ever been able to say they were told authoritatively what the format was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They said that in pool is 10% of the school using either NNAT or Cogat. If that’s true I think my kid would be in pool because of 160 NNAT but I haven’t received anything.

Who is "they?" In prior years it was reported on this board as an average of NNAT and CogAT, but no one has ever been able to say they were told authoritatively what the format was.

My older kids were in pool based on old system where they only needed one score over 132. One kid received an envelope at school and brought it home. I think the second kid got it mailed home. Now I have a third kid who did better than older siblings on NNAT (140) and we have received nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They said that in pool is 10% of the school using either NNAT or Cogat. If that’s true I think my kid would be in pool because of 160 NNAT but I haven’t received anything.

Who is "they?" In prior years it was reported on this board as an average of NNAT and CogAT, but no one has ever been able to say they were told authoritatively what the format was.

There are several other threads on this board where posters suggested that in pool is “either or”, not “and”. So yeah not like an official source or anything. Regardless, no one had posted anything about receiving in pool letter here so it’s safe to assume no one has received anything yet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They said that in pool is 10% of the school using either NNAT or Cogat. If that’s true I think my kid would be in pool because of 160 NNAT but I haven’t received anything.

Who is "they?" In prior years it was reported on this board as an average of NNAT and CogAT, but no one has ever been able to say they were told authoritatively what the format was.

My older kids were in pool based on old system where they only needed one score over 132. One kid received an envelope at school and brought it home. I think the second kid got it mailed home. Now I have a third kid who did better than older siblings on NNAT (140) and we have received nothing.

PP here. I had 3 kids apply - one under the old system and 2 under the new. Of the 2 under the new one would have been in-pool under the old system but wasn't under the new, and one wouldn't have been in-pool either way. All got in, so it didn't matter.

It's merely a point of curiosity to know if they've ever said how exactly they calculate the local norm. To my knowledge they haven't, but average got thrown around a lot here when my kids were in the application process.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure this forum will be filled with messages about the in-pool notification and/or CogAT scores as soon as they are released!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They said that in pool is 10% of the school using either NNAT or Cogat. If that’s true I think my kid would be in pool because of 160 NNAT but I haven’t received anything.

Who is "they?" In prior years it was reported on this board as an average of NNAT and CogAT, but no one has ever been able to say they were told authoritatively what the format was.

There are several other threads on this board where posters suggested that in pool is “either or”, not “and”. So yeah not like an official source or anything. Regardless, no one had posted anything about receiving in pool letter here so it’s safe to assume no one has received anything yet

I believe the top 10% was for equity so that the lower SES kids could qualify but I don’t think less kids on the top end should be hurt by this. Maybe make the cutoff higher like 135 AND also add top 10% from schools who don’t have enough kids who make the cutoff.

Is this local top 10% calculation what is delaying things?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They said that in pool is 10% of the school using either NNAT or Cogat. If that’s true I think my kid would be in pool because of 160 NNAT but I haven’t received anything.

Who is "they?" In prior years it was reported on this board as an average of NNAT and CogAT, but no one has ever been able to say they were told authoritatively what the format was.

There are several other threads on this board where posters suggested that in pool is “either or”, not “and”. So yeah not like an official source or anything. Regardless, no one had posted anything about receiving in pool letter here so it’s safe to assume no one has received anything yet

I believe the top 10% was for equity so that the lower SES kids could qualify but I don’t think less kids on the top end should be hurt by this. Maybe make the cutoff higher like 135 AND also add top 10% from schools who don’t have enough kids who make the cutoff.

Is this local top 10% calculation what is delaying things?

Doubt it. It didn't the past 2 years.

[Anonymous]

I subscribed to USPS informed delivery, and one of the scanned images for today is a letter from my kid’s school. This might be the in-pool letter or Cogat score? My kid is in 2nd grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I subscribed to USPS informed delivery, and one of the scanned images for today is a letter from my kid’s school. This might be the in-pool letter or Cogat score? My kid is in 2nd grade.

In-pool notification comes by e-mail from AAP Central Office with the subject line "Universal Screener Referral"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They said that in pool is 10% of the school using either NNAT or Cogat. If that’s true I think my kid would be in pool because of 160 NNAT but I haven’t received anything.

Who is "they?" In prior years it was reported on this board as an average of NNAT and CogAT, but no one has ever been able to say they were told authoritatively what the format was.

There are several other threads on this board where posters suggested that in pool is “either or”, not “and”. So yeah not like an official source or anything. Regardless, no one had posted anything about receiving in pool letter here so it’s safe to assume no one has received anything yet

I believe the top 10% was for equity so that the lower SES kids could qualify but I don’t think less kids on the top end should be hurt by this. Maybe make the cutoff higher like 135 AND also add top 10% from schools who don’t have enough kids who make the cutoff.

Is this local top 10% calculation what is delaying things?

From what I’ve seen on here, the top 10% based on some calculation of NNAT and CoGAT scores are automatically referred, but the program ends up being about 20% of all students. Knowing that all in-pool referrals don’t end up getting in, that means over half of these classes are just based on parent referrals (maybe also a couple school referrals, but my understanding is that those are few and far between). Maybe I’m alone in this, but why only automatically refer 10%? If they referred say the top 40%, then they could whittle it down from there to 20%. Parents could still refer if they wanted, if they weren’t in the top 40% or wanted to supplement, and that way you’re not missing a kid that just missed the 10% cutoff whose parents didn’t refer for whatever reason (lack of time/resources/knowledge of the system, language barriers, personal hardships, etc). Why refer only half of what the program can accept, relying on parent referrals for the remainder? Feels like gatekeeping to me. Is the concern with this the resources to put together that many packets? From what I’ve also seen on here, there are a large number of parent referrals anyways. But maybe I’m missing something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I subscribed to USPS informed delivery, and one of the scanned images for today is a letter from my kid’s school. This might be the in-pool letter or Cogat score? My kid is in 2nd grade.

In-pool notification comes by e-mail from AAP Central Office with the subject line "Universal Screener Referral"

Seems like it varies year to year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They said that in pool is 10% of the school using either NNAT or Cogat. If that’s true I think my kid would be in pool because of 160 NNAT but I haven’t received anything.

Who is "they?" In prior years it was reported on this board as an average of NNAT and CogAT, but no one has ever been able to say they were told authoritatively what the format was.

There are several other threads on this board where posters suggested that in pool is “either or”, not “and”. So yeah not like an official source or anything. Regardless, no one had posted anything about receiving in pool letter here so it’s safe to assume no one has received anything yet

I believe the top 10% was for equity so that the lower SES kids could qualify but I don’t think less kids on the top end should be hurt by this. Maybe make the cutoff higher like 135 AND also add top 10% from schools who don’t have enough kids who make the cutoff.

Is this local top 10% calculation what is delaying things?

From what I’ve seen on here, the top 10% based on some calculation of NNAT and CoGAT scores are automatically referred, but the program ends up being about 20% of all students. Knowing that all in-pool referrals don’t end up getting in, that means over half of these classes are just based on parent referrals (maybe also a couple school referrals, but my understanding is that those are few and far between). Maybe I’m alone in this, but why only automatically refer 10%? If they referred say the top 40%, then they could whittle it down from there to 20%. Parents could still refer if they wanted, if they weren’t in the top 40% or wanted to supplement, and that way you’re not missing a kid that just missed the 10% cutoff whose parents didn’t refer for whatever reason (lack of time/resources/knowledge of the system, language barriers, personal hardships, etc). Why refer only half of what the program can accept, relying on parent referrals for the remainder? Feels like gatekeeping to me. Is the concern with this the resources to put together that many packets? From what I’ve also seen on here, there are a large number of parent referrals anyways. But maybe I’m missing something.

The state requires parent referrals, so they can't get rid of them. Parent referrals make up I want to say 85% (but I am not looking at the 2020 report here so it might be a little lower) of the workload.

Remember for every kid screened the school has to put forward a fairly substantial packet - HOPE, work samples, report cards, test scores - so every additional kid is more work and more time your 2nd grader's teacher is in a meeting in February.