Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Who knew a judge’s ruling was the end all be all on this sub forum. Page after page of whining over how Johnny Depo dodged accountability and “won” in court only because he was the more famous A-lister with all the connections. The whiners continue to call Johnny an abusive sociopath. Same dynamic here: Blake and notably her husband are A-listers with exponentially more wealthy and Hollywood connections. Blake gets a court “win” and we’re supposed to forget she and her husband manufactured this hoax from thin air?

This forum has more lawyers per capita and many of us are interested in the legal case, not a particular side. This is a big deal for us, we're nerds.

You've repeated this line for months ("forum with the most lawyers and journalists per capita") and I believed it since I'm fairly new here, yet I'm a journalist, and in the past, when I asked for other reporters' input on some elements of this case, there were crickets, lol. With the exception of one poster who magically was a "fact checker" in the past.

DP but PP above didn’t say “the most lawyers and journalists” above, she just said lawyers.

Whatever, she's always said some variation of that line, and just like she's wrong about the amount of journalists, she's also probably wrong about the amount of lawyers on here, too.

DP but I’ve been on this thread for months and people in the thread have been commenting since the beginning that there are an outsized number of lawyers (or people who claim they are lawyers) in the thread compared to a regular thread, and that seems correct to me. Not sure re journalists. YMMV.

Stop spamming your bullshit disinformation. None of the spamming losers are successful attorneys.

And yet they correctly predicted dismissal.

Yes, it was always an uphill battle. That doesn’t absolve these hoax scam artists. Just as OJ wasn’t innocent.

Huh, I don't remember it being called an uphill battle when the JB side was insisting BL should immediately settle these cases for tens of millions.

Right? Where has this person been for the last four months of discussion Baldoni’s supposedly strong and persuasive claims worth $400M? It was not discussed by Baldoni supporters as an “uphill battle.” They have been urging Luvely to settle for tens of millions of dollars and a statement of contrition for months.

Dp. I’m one who has often recommended settlement and it is so astounding to me that despite the fact I correct you EVERY SINGLE TIME this issue arises, you still revert back to the same fake twisted statement- that Baldoni supporters are insisting she settle ‘ASAP!’ for ‘400M!!’ even though ‘they haven’t even proved damages!!!’ and ‘they insist she gives a statement of contrition!!!. That has NEVER been said. Yet you repeat it again and again. Why? Are you brain damaged? Or is it just some strategy?

What I have said, and seen, on this topic is reasonable and intelligent people commenting that this litigation has been a PR nightmare for her, is likely costing millions and her claims seem extremely weak. Any decent professional would see this, and advise their client to find an exit ramp such as a confidential settlement (no one would need to know how much or how little was exchanged), some sort of word salad statement where neither side took blame and said they’ve decided to settle their differences privately and blah blah.

This happens ALL THE TIME in litigations

So can you finally get this through your head and keep it there??

Calm down and look again at what I wrote.

While I talked about Baldoni supporters defending his claims as actually being worth $400 million (which they have — recall the discussions about how juries award hundreds of millions in damages for the wrestler that bankrupted Gawker, for example), I talked about people here having urged Lively to settle for tens of millions, or just a portion of that.

Which they have. Go back and look.

Baldoni supporters here have also insisted that Baldoni should get some statement to clear his name because otherwise settlement wouldn’t be worth it for him, given how much his claims were worth. Sorry if you don’t believe me but they have. Go look.

I’m not only talking to you. Also, don’t talk to me that way. Calm down. I know this is a tough blow, but do better.

Funny how you’re telling people to calm down. You are by far the most unhinged person on here. And no one has talked about Blake definitely owing him 400m in ages, if at all. Yet you will clearly find some stray reference and twist it, I’m sure. Because you just so happen to remember the exact page something was posted even though you sometimes claim to have not visited this thread in hundreds of pages etc. Righto.

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Anonymous wrote:Who knew a judge’s ruling was the end all be all on this sub forum. Page after page of whining over how Johnny Depo dodged accountability and “won” in court only because he was the more famous A-lister with all the connections. The whiners continue to call Johnny an abusive sociopath. Same dynamic here: Blake and notably her husband are A-listers with exponentially more wealthy and Hollywood connections. Blake gets a court “win” and we’re supposed to forget she and her husband manufactured this hoax from thin air?

This forum has more lawyers per capita and many of us are interested in the legal case, not a particular side. This is a big deal for us, we're nerds.

You've repeated this line for months ("forum with the most lawyers and journalists per capita") and I believed it since I'm fairly new here, yet I'm a journalist, and in the past, when I asked for other reporters' input on some elements of this case, there were crickets, lol. With the exception of one poster who magically was a "fact checker" in the past.

DP but PP above didn’t say “the most lawyers and journalists” above, she just said lawyers.

Whatever, she's always said some variation of that line, and just like she's wrong about the amount of journalists, she's also probably wrong about the amount of lawyers on here, too.

DP but I’ve been on this thread for months and people in the thread have been commenting since the beginning that there are an outsized number of lawyers (or people who claim they are lawyers) in the thread compared to a regular thread, and that seems correct to me. Not sure re journalists. YMMV.

Stop spamming your bullshit disinformation. None of the spamming losers are successful attorneys.

And yet they correctly predicted dismissal.

Yes, it was always an uphill battle. That doesn’t absolve these hoax scam artists. Just as OJ wasn’t innocent.

Huh, I don't remember it being called an uphill battle when the JB side was insisting BL should immediately settle these cases for tens of millions.

Right? Where has this person been for the last four months of discussion Baldoni’s supposedly strong and persuasive claims worth $400M? It was not discussed by Baldoni supporters as an “uphill battle.” They have been urging Luvely to settle for tens of millions of dollars and a statement of contrition for months.

Dp. I’m one who has often recommended settlement and it is so astounding to me that despite the fact I correct you EVERY SINGLE TIME this issue arises, you still revert back to the same fake twisted statement- that Baldoni supporters are insisting she settle ‘ASAP!’ for ‘400M!!’ even though ‘they haven’t even proved damages!!!’ and ‘they insist she gives a statement of contrition!!!. That has NEVER been said. Yet you repeat it again and again. Why? Are you brain damaged? Or is it just some strategy?

What I have said, and seen, on this topic is reasonable and intelligent people commenting that this litigation has been a PR nightmare for her, is likely costing millions and her claims seem extremely weak. Any decent professional would see this, and advise their client to find an exit ramp such as a confidential settlement (no one would need to know how much or how little was exchanged), some sort of word salad statement where neither side took blame and said they’ve decided to settle their differences privately and blah blah.

This happens ALL THE TIME in litigations

So can you finally get this through your head and keep it there??

I'm not the person you're directly replying to, but while there have been SOME comments like that, there have definitely been a lot of comments that just said "Blake should settle already" often after a link to some tabloid article or some story about someone unfollowing her, hardly the nuanced analysis you're describing, or saying the hoaxers Blake and Ryan needs to pay millions and millions (which read to me like the person who also accuses Ryan of being zesty, but I honestly can't remember if those were contained in the same comments). And sometimes I, and others, have said it would be wise to get the financial information from Wayfarer before entering settlement talks, not because "they have to prove damages before settling" but because that's just a reasonable thing to do so they can reach a fair settlement, but that's moot now, as there are currently no claims at all pending against Lively from Wayfarer.

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I feel for Baldoni and Wayfarer. I’m not surprised at the outcome. I do think Lively’s rep will continue to be damaged for quite some time; she’ll work but many potential viewers no longer like her and are less likely to watch her in anything.

I participated in this thread hundreds of pages ago before the intense lunacy of her supporters tired me out. Lively is the one accuser of SH in my life that I do not believe. I believe Amber Heard, all of the Weinstein claimants, all of the Combs claimants, those talking about Shia LeBouef and Casey Affleck and Jared Leto and Russell Brand’s vile abuses. But I believe nothing Lively has said.

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Anonymous wrote:Who knew a judge’s ruling was the end all be all on this sub forum. Page after page of whining over how Johnny Depo dodged accountability and “won” in court only because he was the more famous A-lister with all the connections. The whiners continue to call Johnny an abusive sociopath. Same dynamic here: Blake and notably her husband are A-listers with exponentially more wealthy and Hollywood connections. Blake gets a court “win” and we’re supposed to forget she and her husband manufactured this hoax from thin air?

This forum has more lawyers per capita and many of us are interested in the legal case, not a particular side. This is a big deal for us, we're nerds.

You've repeated this line for months ("forum with the most lawyers and journalists per capita") and I believed it since I'm fairly new here, yet I'm a journalist, and in the past, when I asked for other reporters' input on some elements of this case, there were crickets, lol. With the exception of one poster who magically was a "fact checker" in the past.

DP but PP above didn’t say “the most lawyers and journalists” above, she just said lawyers.

Whatever, she's always said some variation of that line, and just like she's wrong about the amount of journalists, she's also probably wrong about the amount of lawyers on here, too.

DP but I’ve been on this thread for months and people in the thread have been commenting since the beginning that there are an outsized number of lawyers (or people who claim they are lawyers) in the thread compared to a regular thread, and that seems correct to me. Not sure re journalists. YMMV.

Stop spamming your bullshit disinformation. None of the spamming losers are successful attorneys.

And yet they correctly predicted dismissal.

Yes, it was always an uphill battle. That doesn’t absolve these hoax scam artists. Just as OJ wasn’t innocent.

Huh, I don't remember it being called an uphill battle when the JB side was insisting BL should immediately settle these cases for tens of millions.

Right? Where has this person been for the last four months of discussion Baldoni’s supposedly strong and persuasive claims worth $400M? It was not discussed by Baldoni supporters as an “uphill battle.” They have been urging Luvely to settle for tens of millions of dollars and a statement of contrition for months.

Dp. I’m one who has often recommended settlement and it is so astounding to me that despite the fact I correct you EVERY SINGLE TIME this issue arises, you still revert back to the same fake twisted statement- that Baldoni supporters are insisting she settle ‘ASAP!’ for ‘400M!!’ even though ‘they haven’t even proved damages!!!’ and ‘they insist she gives a statement of contrition!!!. That has NEVER been said. Yet you repeat it again and again. Why? Are you brain damaged? Or is it just some strategy?

What I have said, and seen, on this topic is reasonable and intelligent people commenting that this litigation has been a PR nightmare for her, is likely costing millions and her claims seem extremely weak. Any decent professional would see this, and advise their client to find an exit ramp such as a confidential settlement (no one would need to know how much or how little was exchanged), some sort of word salad statement where neither side took blame and said they’ve decided to settle their differences privately and blah blah.

This happens ALL THE TIME in litigations

So can you finally get this through your head and keep it there??

I'm not the person you're directly replying to, but while there have been SOME comments like that, there have definitely been a lot of comments that just said "Blake should settle already" often after a link to some tabloid article or some story about someone unfollowing her, hardly the nuanced analysis you're describing, or saying the hoaxers Blake and Ryan needs to pay millions and millions (which read to me like the person who also accuses Ryan of being zesty, but I honestly can't remember if those were contained in the same comments). And sometimes I, and others, have said it would be wise to get the financial information from Wayfarer before entering settlement talks, not because "they have to prove damages before settling" but because that's just a reasonable thing to do so they can reach a fair settlement, but that's moot now, as there are currently no claims at all pending against Lively from Wayfarer.

Nah, the vast majority of comments on settlement have been reasonable thoughts on the benefits of settling. You just choose to ignore them so you can be angry and indignant

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On some level I'm impressed that Baldoni losing on ALL of his claims at the MTD stage has not impacted the confidence of JB supporters even the tiniest bit. The delusion is strong with y'all.

Meanwhile when all the Taylor stuff was going down, you saw Lively supporters openly saying that if it was true that Lively threatened Taylor or tried to get her to destroy evidence, they would absolutely stop supporting her. When Lively has had bad outcomes to motions or the judge has seemed annoyed with her side, Lively supporters largely seem to acknowledge this, at least.

But Baldoni's entire lawsuit was just thrown out, and the JB folks are still out here lecturing, giving unsolicited advise, explaining how "litigations" work, etc. Truly epic.

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Anonymous wrote:On some level I'm impressed that Baldoni losing on ALL of his claims at the MTD stage has not impacted the confidence of JB supporters even the tiniest bit. The delusion is strong with y'all.

Meanwhile when all the Taylor stuff was going down, you saw Lively supporters openly saying that if it was true that Lively threatened Taylor or tried to get her to destroy evidence, they would absolutely stop supporting her. When Lively has had bad outcomes to motions or the judge has seemed annoyed with her side, Lively supporters largely seem to acknowledge this, at least.

But Baldoni's entire lawsuit was just thrown out, and the JB folks are still out here lecturing, giving unsolicited advise, explaining how "litigations" work, etc. Truly epic.

How old are you?

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Anonymous wrote:On some level I'm impressed that Baldoni losing on ALL of his claims at the MTD stage has not impacted the confidence of JB supporters even the tiniest bit. The delusion is strong with y'all.

Meanwhile when all the Taylor stuff was going down, you saw Lively supporters openly saying that if it was true that Lively threatened Taylor or tried to get her to destroy evidence, they would absolutely stop supporting her. When Lively has had bad outcomes to motions or the judge has seemed annoyed with her side, Lively supporters largely seem to acknowledge this, at least.

But Baldoni's entire lawsuit was just thrown out, and the JB folks are still out here lecturing, giving unsolicited advise, explaining how "litigations" work, etc. Truly epic.

👏 yes!!!

I have felt and expressed thoughts like this here too and it’s reassuring to see that someone else is seeing this difference in reactions. I don’t really understand it. I think it must have something to do with the almost cultish way info is received online now, instead of through major news organizations.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, at this point, I think Lively should welcome Freedman taking her deposition instead of a lawyer with more legal acuity. Freedman should be worried about Lively getting under his skin as much as he wants to intimidate her into thinking he will get under hers. Prep her well and she will be fine. Let Freedman sink himself.

We’ve all seen her interviews. She isn’t going to be hard to depose.

As always, I think you underestimate her legal team and how powerful good prep can be. But whatevs. Keep putting all your hopes and dreams in the Freedman basket.

I’m sure that she has had hours and hours of interview prep, yet she basically can’t open her mouth in public without saying something offensive.

I still think this won’t go to trial, but it seems like an uphill battle. I mean, think of the trials of this nature that we’ve seen. Harvey Weinstein raping women left and right for years and terrorizing them and vaporizing their careers. Horrible things have happened to women. Real abuse.

I agree the set was probably uncomfortable and weird, but the problem people have is that Blake contributed to a lot of it, not meeting with the intimacy coordinator, having Justin relay notes, saying that she doesn’t want anything unscripted and then grabbing and kissing him and handling him when it works for her. There’s just a lot of hypocrisy.

We have already caught her in lies - saying that Taylor was involved in the casting and other creative decisions of this movie and we now have Taylor saying that she was not. She said she wrote the rooftop scene, only to change course and say Ryan did it. She said that they’d foot the bill for Ryan’s marketing firm, only to charge the movie for it. Regardless of what happened to her or didn’t happen to her, she has a history of lying and twisting the truth during the course of this film.

What she is alleging, just does not seem like a big deal to some people. I am sure it was annoying to have constant conversations about the birth scene, but it really shouldn’t have been that triggering for Heath to pull out a video of his wife’s home birth. Is it annoying and weird? Yes, but most of us would be able to file a complaint with HR, not run to the New York Times screaming that she was sexually harassed and she’s just doing this to protect other women. It’s been months and months and months, where are these other women? Honestly asking, since this news has broke, have any of the costars voiced their support? This is a pretty big win for Blake, it will be telling in the next couple of days if any of them come forward, or don’t.

Women have been through a lot, this is a tough time, and I just think it’s going to be hard to garner sympathy for this multimillion dollar actress who had every privilege and a ton of control on this set.

Who knows, it’s possible that she will be able to build support, and that if this does go to trial, people could come on the stand or be deposed and support her. If that happens, I’m willing to say I was wrong. But my issue with this is it’s been several months and that hasn’t happened yet.

I think this is a fair take and similar to where I lean. I don't believe she completely manufactured everything but there's no denying she has lied about some things, and that hurts her overall credibility enough to where she's going to need some really strong witness statements to get it back. And yes, agree that even if she proves everything, it may not rise to SH or be basically a mild case of it. The part that is interesting to me is did Baldoni do the smear campaign, and can he be held liable for it even if her claims are weak (basically would mean he screwed himself because his reaction was worse than his initial actions).

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Oof the comments on articles about this litigation news are mostly very anti Blake. A few supporters here and there, but a lot of hate for Blake. People really hate her.

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Anonymous wrote:On some level I'm impressed that Baldoni losing on ALL of his claims at the MTD stage has not impacted the confidence of JB supporters even the tiniest bit. The delusion is strong with y'all.

Meanwhile when all the Taylor stuff was going down, you saw Lively supporters openly saying that if it was true that Lively threatened Taylor or tried to get her to destroy evidence, they would absolutely stop supporting her. When Lively has had bad outcomes to motions or the judge has seemed annoyed with her side, Lively supporters largely seem to acknowledge this, at least.

But Baldoni's entire lawsuit was just thrown out, and the JB folks are still out here lecturing, giving unsolicited advise, explaining how "litigations" work, etc. Truly epic.

👏 yes!!!

I have felt and expressed thoughts like this here too and it’s reassuring to see that someone else is seeing this difference in reactions. I don’t really understand it. I think it must have something to do with the almost cultish way info is received online now, instead of through major news organizations.

Idk I just posted that comments on main stream media are tough against Blake. I’m not a Baldoni supporter and have been mostly neutral but I can’t help seeing that the vast majority of comments are negative towards her, even with this big win!!

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Anonymous wrote:Who knew a judge’s ruling was the end all be all on this sub forum. Page after page of whining over how Johnny Depo dodged accountability and “won” in court only because he was the more famous A-lister with all the connections. The whiners continue to call Johnny an abusive sociopath. Same dynamic here: Blake and notably her husband are A-listers with exponentially more wealthy and Hollywood connections. Blake gets a court “win” and we’re supposed to forget she and her husband manufactured this hoax from thin air?

This forum has more lawyers per capita and many of us are interested in the legal case, not a particular side. This is a big deal for us, we're nerds.

You've repeated this line for months ("forum with the most lawyers and journalists per capita") and I believed it since I'm fairly new here, yet I'm a journalist, and in the past, when I asked for other reporters' input on some elements of this case, there were crickets, lol. With the exception of one poster who magically was a "fact checker" in the past.

DP but PP above didn’t say “the most lawyers and journalists” above, she just said lawyers.

Whatever, she's always said some variation of that line, and just like she's wrong about the amount of journalists, she's also probably wrong about the amount of lawyers on here, too.

DP but I’ve been on this thread for months and people in the thread have been commenting since the beginning that there are an outsized number of lawyers (or people who claim they are lawyers) in the thread compared to a regular thread, and that seems correct to me. Not sure re journalists. YMMV.

Stop spamming your bullshit disinformation. None of the spamming losers are successful attorneys.

And yet they correctly predicted dismissal.

Yes, it was always an uphill battle. That doesn’t absolve these hoax scam artists. Just as OJ wasn’t innocent.

Huh, I don't remember it being called an uphill battle when the JB side was insisting BL should immediately settle these cases for tens of millions.

Right? Where has this person been for the last four months of discussion Baldoni’s supposedly strong and persuasive claims worth $400M? It was not discussed by Baldoni supporters as an “uphill battle.” They have been urging Luvely to settle for tens of millions of dollars and a statement of contrition for months.

Dp. I’m one who has often recommended settlement and it is so astounding to me that despite the fact I correct you EVERY SINGLE TIME this issue arises, you still revert back to the same fake twisted statement- that Baldoni supporters are insisting she settle ‘ASAP!’ for ‘400M!!’ even though ‘they haven’t even proved damages!!!’ and ‘they insist she gives a statement of contrition!!!. That has NEVER been said. Yet you repeat it again and again. Why? Are you brain damaged? Or is it just some strategy?

What I have said, and seen, on this topic is reasonable and intelligent people commenting that this litigation has been a PR nightmare for her, is likely costing millions and her claims seem extremely weak. Any decent professional would see this, and advise their client to find an exit ramp such as a confidential settlement (no one would need to know how much or how little was exchanged), some sort of word salad statement where neither side took blame and said they’ve decided to settle their differences privately and blah blah.

This happens ALL THE TIME in litigations

So can you finally get this through your head and keep it there??

Calm down and look again at what I wrote.

While I talked about Baldoni supporters defending his claims as actually being worth $400 million (which they have — recall the discussions about how juries award hundreds of millions in damages for the wrestler that bankrupted Gawker, for example), I talked about people here having urged Lively to settle for tens of millions, or just a portion of that.

Which they have. Go back and look.

Baldoni supporters here have also insisted that Baldoni should get some statement to clear his name because otherwise settlement wouldn’t be worth it for him, given how much his claims were worth. Sorry if you don’t believe me but they have. Go look.

I’m not only talking to you. Also, don’t talk to me that way. Calm down. I know this is a tough blow, but do better.

Funny how you’re telling people to calm down. You are by far the most unhinged person on here. And no one has talked about Blake definitely owing him 400m in ages, if at all. Yet you will clearly find some stray reference and twist it, I’m sure. Because you just so happen to remember the exact page something was posted even though you sometimes claim to have not visited this thread in hundreds of pages etc. Righto.

I thought there would at least be a perceived gulf between me and IP tracking lady, or me and the Baldoni fan who thought someone was impersonating IP tracking lady. Your insults aren’t landing. Sad.

I didn’t say anyone claimed that Lively clearly owed Baldoni $400M, I said people said his claims might actually be worth that if they went to a jury. You don’t seem to be reading my actual words nor care what I say in the slightest, so I won’t waste further time on this response.

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Anonymous wrote:Oof the comments on articles about this litigation news are mostly very anti Blake. A few supporters here and there, but a lot of hate for Blake. People really hate her.

DP. I noticed that too. Kinda brutal

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Anonymous wrote:Who knew a judge’s ruling was the end all be all on this sub forum. Page after page of whining over how Johnny Depo dodged accountability and “won” in court only because he was the more famous A-lister with all the connections. The whiners continue to call Johnny an abusive sociopath. Same dynamic here: Blake and notably her husband are A-listers with exponentially more wealthy and Hollywood connections. Blake gets a court “win” and we’re supposed to forget she and her husband manufactured this hoax from thin air?

This forum has more lawyers per capita and many of us are interested in the legal case, not a particular side. This is a big deal for us, we're nerds.

You've repeated this line for months ("forum with the most lawyers and journalists per capita") and I believed it since I'm fairly new here, yet I'm a journalist, and in the past, when I asked for other reporters' input on some elements of this case, there were crickets, lol. With the exception of one poster who magically was a "fact checker" in the past.

DP but PP above didn’t say “the most lawyers and journalists” above, she just said lawyers.

Whatever, she's always said some variation of that line, and just like she's wrong about the amount of journalists, she's also probably wrong about the amount of lawyers on here, too.

DP but I’ve been on this thread for months and people in the thread have been commenting since the beginning that there are an outsized number of lawyers (or people who claim they are lawyers) in the thread compared to a regular thread, and that seems correct to me. Not sure re journalists. YMMV.

Stop spamming your bullshit disinformation. None of the spamming losers are successful attorneys.

And yet they correctly predicted dismissal.

Yes, it was always an uphill battle. That doesn’t absolve these hoax scam artists. Just as OJ wasn’t innocent.

Huh, I don't remember it being called an uphill battle when the JB side was insisting BL should immediately settle these cases for tens of millions.

Right? Where has this person been for the last four months of discussion Baldoni’s supposedly strong and persuasive claims worth $400M? It was not discussed by Baldoni supporters as an “uphill battle.” They have been urging Luvely to settle for tens of millions of dollars and a statement of contrition for months.

Dp. I’m one who has often recommended settlement and it is so astounding to me that despite the fact I correct you EVERY SINGLE TIME this issue arises, you still revert back to the same fake twisted statement- that Baldoni supporters are insisting she settle ‘ASAP!’ for ‘400M!!’ even though ‘they haven’t even proved damages!!!’ and ‘they insist she gives a statement of contrition!!!. That has NEVER been said. Yet you repeat it again and again. Why? Are you brain damaged? Or is it just some strategy?

What I have said, and seen, on this topic is reasonable and intelligent people commenting that this litigation has been a PR nightmare for her, is likely costing millions and her claims seem extremely weak. Any decent professional would see this, and advise their client to find an exit ramp such as a confidential settlement (no one would need to know how much or how little was exchanged), some sort of word salad statement where neither side took blame and said they’ve decided to settle their differences privately and blah blah.

This happens ALL THE TIME in litigations

So can you finally get this through your head and keep it there??

I'm not the person you're directly replying to, but while there have been SOME comments like that, there have definitely been a lot of comments that just said "Blake should settle already" often after a link to some tabloid article or some story about someone unfollowing her, hardly the nuanced analysis you're describing, or saying the hoaxers Blake and Ryan needs to pay millions and millions (which read to me like the person who also accuses Ryan of being zesty, but I honestly can't remember if those were contained in the same comments). And sometimes I, and others, have said it would be wise to get the financial information from Wayfarer before entering settlement talks, not because "they have to prove damages before settling" but because that's just a reasonable thing to do so they can reach a fair settlement, but that's moot now, as there are currently no claims at all pending against Lively from Wayfarer.

Nah, the vast majority of comments on settlement have been reasonable thoughts on the benefits of settling. You just choose to ignore them so you can be angry and indignant

DP but I do think the folks who have been insisting that Blake was dumb not to settle have just been proven wrong.

It's common in high profile litigation for the public perception of the case to differ from the legal standing of the parties. The public is generally just weighing in on who they like more, or who they are more sympathetic towards, with no real understanding of underlying legal concepts or what evidence is likely to be relevant or how the law gets applied in cases like this.

In this case, I think Lively's team has known for months that they had extremely good odds of getting at least some of Baldoni's key claims dismissed at the MTD phase. Months ago, I predicted in this thread that the extortion claim was for sure a goner (they didn't even bother to plead the elements of extortion or offer any evidence), and most like the defamation claims against NYT and Sloane. I thought at the time that the defamation claim against Reynolds was most likely to survive MTDs and that maybe one or more of the contract claims would survive. I think that assessment, after reading all the documents, was pretty spot on in terms of a good guess as to what might happen here. Obviously Lively got more than that, and I'm sure they are thrilled, but even if only the claims I suggested would be dismissed had been dismissed, Baldoni's claims would be greatly diminished from a financial perspective. Without the defamation claims against Lively and NYT, and with no extortion claim, the alleged damages would have been revised down by a lot (especially given that $400m was always a huge reach even if all claims had survived and been well pled).

Given this, from a settlement perspective, it was always going to make sense for Lively to, at a minimum, wait until the MTDs were decided before even entertaining settlement discussions, because the fewer claims Baldoni can hold over her head, the worse his bargaining position is in terms of coming up with a financial settlement. Lively just went from being in a position to potentially need to give him tens of millions to make this whole thing go away, to the reverse. Now if the parties want to settle, Baldoni has to pay Lively. I don't think that will happen but it's unquestionably a better situation for her, and as the case continues to unfold, the potential remains for the pressure on Baldoni to increase, whereas the worst thing that can happen to Lively is she loses her case and is out the expense of litigation.

Of course there is a PR element, but the MTD decision obviously also benefits Lively on that front. Before the great dismissal, Lively was in a terrible position with regards to PR and the pressure for her to just make it all go away was strong. But, again, knowing they had a very good chance of a successful result on the MTDs, it would have been idiotic for her to negotiate a settlement from that PR position, knowing there was a good likelihood that the judge's decision on the MTDs would boost her PR position and put her on more equal footing with JB. Which I think it has. She's also in more of a power position moving forward as the sole plaintiff, and will not have to play defense as much in the press.

So if you were saying a few weeks ago that Lively would be stupid not to settle, whether for legal reasons or PR reasons, you were incorrect. Her team knew a positive outcome here was likely (not this positive, but still positive) which would have made it dumb to settle when she was in the weakest possible position. Now her position is stronger and she has more options, because she waited.

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Anonymous wrote:Who knew a judge’s ruling was the end all be all on this sub forum. Page after page of whining over how Johnny Depo dodged accountability and “won” in court only because he was the more famous A-lister with all the connections. The whiners continue to call Johnny an abusive sociopath. Same dynamic here: Blake and notably her husband are A-listers with exponentially more wealthy and Hollywood connections. Blake gets a court “win” and we’re supposed to forget she and her husband manufactured this hoax from thin air?

This forum has more lawyers per capita and many of us are interested in the legal case, not a particular side. This is a big deal for us, we're nerds.

You've repeated this line for months ("forum with the most lawyers and journalists per capita") and I believed it since I'm fairly new here, yet I'm a journalist, and in the past, when I asked for other reporters' input on some elements of this case, there were crickets, lol. With the exception of one poster who magically was a "fact checker" in the past.

DP but PP above didn’t say “the most lawyers and journalists” above, she just said lawyers.

Whatever, she's always said some variation of that line, and just like she's wrong about the amount of journalists, she's also probably wrong about the amount of lawyers on here, too.

DP but I’ve been on this thread for months and people in the thread have been commenting since the beginning that there are an outsized number of lawyers (or people who claim they are lawyers) in the thread compared to a regular thread, and that seems correct to me. Not sure re journalists. YMMV.

Stop spamming your bullshit disinformation. None of the spamming losers are successful attorneys.

And yet they correctly predicted dismissal.

Yes, it was always an uphill battle. That doesn’t absolve these hoax scam artists. Just as OJ wasn’t innocent.

Huh, I don't remember it being called an uphill battle when the JB side was insisting BL should immediately settle these cases for tens of millions.

Right? Where has this person been for the last four months of discussion Baldoni’s supposedly strong and persuasive claims worth $400M? It was not discussed by Baldoni supporters as an “uphill battle.” They have been urging Luvely to settle for tens of millions of dollars and a statement of contrition for months.

Dp. I’m one who has often recommended settlement and it is so astounding to me that despite the fact I correct you EVERY SINGLE TIME this issue arises, you still revert back to the same fake twisted statement- that Baldoni supporters are insisting she settle ‘ASAP!’ for ‘400M!!’ even though ‘they haven’t even proved damages!!!’ and ‘they insist she gives a statement of contrition!!!. That has NEVER been said. Yet you repeat it again and again. Why? Are you brain damaged? Or is it just some strategy?

What I have said, and seen, on this topic is reasonable and intelligent people commenting that this litigation has been a PR nightmare for her, is likely costing millions and her claims seem extremely weak. Any decent professional would see this, and advise their client to find an exit ramp such as a confidential settlement (no one would need to know how much or how little was exchanged), some sort of word salad statement where neither side took blame and said they’ve decided to settle their differences privately and blah blah.

This happens ALL THE TIME in litigations

So can you finally get this through your head and keep it there??

Calm down and look again at what I wrote.

While I talked about Baldoni supporters defending his claims as actually being worth $400 million (which they have — recall the discussions about how juries award hundreds of millions in damages for the wrestler that bankrupted Gawker, for example), I talked about people here having urged Lively to settle for tens of millions, or just a portion of that.

Which they have. Go back and look.

Baldoni supporters here have also insisted that Baldoni should get some statement to clear his name because otherwise settlement wouldn’t be worth it for him, given how much his claims were worth. Sorry if you don’t believe me but they have. Go look.

I’m not only talking to you. Also, don’t talk to me that way. Calm down. I know this is a tough blow, but do better.

Funny how you’re telling people to calm down. You are by far the most unhinged person on here. And no one has talked about Blake definitely owing him 400m in ages, if at all. Yet you will clearly find some stray reference and twist it, I’m sure. Because you just so happen to remember the exact page something was posted even though you sometimes claim to have not visited this thread in hundreds of pages etc. Righto.

I thought there would at least be a perceived gulf between me and IP tracking lady, or me and the Baldoni fan who thought someone was impersonating IP tracking lady. Your insults aren’t landing. Sad.

I didn’t say anyone claimed that Lively clearly owed Baldoni $400M, I said people said his claims might actually be worth that if they went to a jury. You don’t seem to be reading my actual words nor care what I say in the slightest, so I won’t waste further time on this response.

No, you misread and twist. People commented on how you don’t know what juries will do. And how hulk hogan got an insane amount. Thats your MO I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for Baldoni and Wayfarer. I’m not surprised at the outcome. I do think Lively’s rep will continue to be damaged for quite some time; she’ll work but many potential viewers no longer like her and are less likely to watch her in anything.

I participated in this thread hundreds of pages ago before the intense lunacy of her supporters tired me out. Lively is the one accuser of SH in my life that I do not believe. I believe Amber Heard, all of the Weinstein claimants, all of the Combs claimants, those talking about Shia LeBouef and Casey Affleck and Jared Leto and Russell Brand’s vile abuses. But I believe nothing Lively has said.

Totally agree. I’ve never not believed a woman. I would 100 percent believe Blake if she was alleging assault or rape because I truly think women don’t lie about that and it’s so painful and humiliating to share that.

But her allegations were always weird. The fat shaming thing seemed really off and she seemed super sensitive about her pp body which I believe twisted things in her head. She didn’t like discussions about intimate scenes but then she makes no effort to have her team get the nudity rider back with amendments which would have been a great way to communicate what she was and was not willing to do. She seemed to be getting along with Justin fine - entrusting him with her kids, in her private spaces, grabbing his fave drink order….and then all of a sudden there was this list. She was an EP…she had a big active legal team that she wasn’t afraid to leverage. It just seemed a strange set of allegations from a woman who had power on set to a man who had never had allegations before.

Add in Ryan’s weird text asking Justin to start filing two weeks earlier to accommodate Deadpool…..which seemed insane to me….and it just seems like Blake and Ryan are not fully operating in the real world.