Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Netanyahu weakening a 75 year Israel-U.S. relationship is probably peak in his crowning achievements though.

Israel will need to kick him out ASAP. He’s been leading there longer than Hamas .

He needs his walking papers along with Hamas and Abbas

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Anonymous wrote:So Let me get this straight. A foreign entity knowing targeted a vehicle, which they knew had a U.S. citizen aid worker in it?

What happened to "If you target American citizens, your life is forfeit".

We should be sanctioning all of Israel's cabinet and should be considering retaliatory strikes upon the IDF. At the very least, the commanders responsible for this atrocious act should meet the same fate as those at Nuremberg.

Instead.... we sell them more weapons? WTF is happening within our government?

Hey you voted for it.

Nope. I wrote in a candidate in 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:I was raised Methodist. Went to Sunday school and church. I was taught that support of Israel was assumed. That is 100% over for me. I hope Israel understands what it has done. It has squandered decades of support. It's a tiny speck that depends on support of the likes of the U.S. and Europe in order to exist. I WILL make my vote this November dependent upon what's happening with Israel. I think it means that I won't be voting. Biden is cavorting with a war criminal each time he speaks with Netanyahu. He is complicit each time he approves a handout of military might to Israel. It's disgusting.

So you're cool with Trump? Not voting is not an option.

You keep saying this crap. I hate Trump. But yeah, NOT VOTING IS an option. It is the option I plan on taking.

Then in a close race, you're effectively aiding Trump. He wins by subtraction. Sorry you don't get that.

Biden is aiding and abetting the slaughter of Palestinians right now and you want voters to ignore that and worry about what Trump may or may not do? Stop gaslighting voters.

I think I'll worry about American women, poor Americans, Black Americans, the American environment, preserving the integrity of the American system of elections, etc., etc.

You want to sacrifice that for Palestinians?

Not me.

How about the billions of dollars we sent to Israel to kill innocent Palestinians instead be spent on American women, poor Americans, Black Americans, and the American environment?

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Yeah. Young white men need help too. It’s not just minority groups and women. Look at graduation rates and college enrollment rates….

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Anonymous wrote:It seems odd to me Evangelicals support Israel rather than the oldest and first Christian community

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

You are absolutely right -- a powerful condemnation is not enough. It's a long, long way from enough. It's just a lot better than we're going to get from Trump. We've got two options at present: bad and absolutely horrible.

Biden is already beyond absolutely horrible so Trump will not have that much left to work with.

There are Republicans who said they want to nuke Gaza outright. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/31/politics/tim-walberg-gaza-nagasaki-hiroshima/index.html

There are Republicans want Palestinians kicked out of the US - https://zinke.house.gov/media/press-releases/zinke-introduces-bill-expel-palestinians-united-states

Can you name any pro-Palestine Republicans?

Can you name any Palestinian-Americans holding office as Republicans?

You might not like Biden but to try and claim "well it can't be much worse with the other side" only exposes your deep ignorance.

I’m a Democratic PP who decided today after a lot of contemplation to withhold my vote for Biden over Gaza. I vote in NY, would maybe feel different if I were in a swing state. I totally recognize that Republicans are worse on Israel and basically every other issue. I’m trying to do my part to force change on this issue in my own party. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that. Reducing his margin in a safe state is really all I can do to signal that I am not happy with his Israel policy and make him pay for it.

I doubt he cares. It just signals to everyone you actually know in the US that you give no shits about women's rights at home.

Clearly Biden cares more about supporting Israel's extermination of Palestinians than he does about women's rights.

Biden is a fundamentally decent human being. Trump is not. Biden's problem is that he's been hanging onto the old pro-Israel paradigm most of us used to buy into, but the ground is shifting for him as well as for almost everyone else. Today, he threatened Netanyahu with "consequences" unless he (Netanyahu) addresses the humanitarian situation in Gaza.

"President Biden emphasized that the strikes on humanitarian workers and the overall humanitarian situation are unacceptable ... He made clear that US policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by our assessment of Israel’s immediate action on these steps...Biden also said Israel needed to 'announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers.'"

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/biden-netanyahu-call-wck-deaths/index.html

Blah, blah, blah. Remember back in October and November, listening to Biden tell us the war would be over in a week or so? He just makes these predictions that are not bound to come true - he does not actually do anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I was raised Methodist. Went to Sunday school and church. I was taught that support of Israel was assumed. That is 100% over for me. I hope Israel understands what it has done. It has squandered decades of support. It's a tiny speck that depends on support of the likes of the U.S. and Europe in order to exist. I WILL make my vote this November dependent upon what's happening with Israel. I think it means that I won't be voting. Biden is cavorting with a war criminal each time he speaks with Netanyahu. He is complicit each time he approves a handout of military might to Israel. It's disgusting.

Same. For me, Israel's war crimes in this latest war led me to research the real history of the Nakba. That's when I realized Zionists have been genociding Palestinians and stealing their land for almost a century, all the while hiding behind a sophisticated propaganda campaign of victimhood. There are several months between now and November. I'm not writing Biden off, but I hope he steps up and does the right thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I was raised Methodist. Went to Sunday school and church. I was taught that support of Israel was assumed. That is 100% over for me. I hope Israel understands what it has done. It has squandered decades of support. It's a tiny speck that depends on support of the likes of the U.S. and Europe in order to exist. I WILL make my vote this November dependent upon what's happening with Israel. I think it means that I won't be voting. Biden is cavorting with a war criminal each time he speaks with Netanyahu. He is complicit each time he approves a handout of military might to Israel. It's disgusting.

So you're cool with Trump? Not voting is not an option.

You keep saying this crap. I hate Trump. But yeah, NOT VOTING IS an option. It is the option I plan on taking.

Then in a close race, you're effectively aiding Trump. He wins by subtraction. Sorry you don't get that.

Biden is aiding and abetting the slaughter of Palestinians right now and you want voters to ignore that and worry about what Trump may or may not do? Stop gaslighting voters.

I think I'll worry about American women, poor Americans, Black Americans, the American environment, preserving the integrity of the American system of elections, etc., etc.

You want to sacrifice that for Palestinians?

Not me.

How about the billions of dollars we sent to Israel to kill innocent Palestinians instead be spent on American women, poor Americans, Black Americans, and the American environment?

This. I don't want to see another penny of my tax $$$ used to fund Israel's racist, genocidal regime. I would not mind some of it going to help Palestinians come back, though. They must be uplifted and compensated as much as possible for their unbearable losses.

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I’ve been hating on Israel for years. Finally feels good to not be called “anti semetic” for thinking that Israel is a POS.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

You are absolutely right -- a powerful condemnation is not enough. It's a long, long way from enough. It's just a lot better than we're going to get from Trump. We've got two options at present: bad and absolutely horrible.

Biden is already beyond absolutely horrible so Trump will not have that much left to work with.

There are Republicans who said they want to nuke Gaza outright. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/31/politics/tim-walberg-gaza-nagasaki-hiroshima/index.html

There are Republicans want Palestinians kicked out of the US - https://zinke.house.gov/media/press-releases/zinke-introduces-bill-expel-palestinians-united-states

Can you name any pro-Palestine Republicans?

Can you name any Palestinian-Americans holding office as Republicans?

You might not like Biden but to try and claim "well it can't be much worse with the other side" only exposes your deep ignorance.

I’m a Democratic PP who decided today after a lot of contemplation to withhold my vote for Biden over Gaza. I vote in NY, would maybe feel different if I were in a swing state. I totally recognize that Republicans are worse on Israel and basically every other issue. I’m trying to do my part to force change on this issue in my own party. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that. Reducing his margin in a safe state is really all I can do to signal that I am not happy with his Israel policy and make him pay for it.

I doubt he cares. It just signals to everyone you actually know in the US that you give no shits about women's rights at home.

Clearly Biden cares more about supporting Israel's extermination of Palestinians than he does about women's rights.

Biden is a fundamentally decent human being. Trump is not. Biden's problem is that he's been hanging onto the old pro-Israel paradigm most of us used to buy into, but the ground is shifting for him as well as for almost everyone else. Today, he threatened Netanyahu with "consequences" unless he (Netanyahu) addresses the humanitarian situation in Gaza.

"President Biden emphasized that the strikes on humanitarian workers and the overall humanitarian situation are unacceptable ... He made clear that US policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by our assessment of Israel’s immediate action on these steps...Biden also said Israel needed to 'announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers.'"

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/biden-netanyahu-call-wck-deaths/index.html

Blah, blah, blah. Remember back in October and November, listening to Biden tell us the war would be over in a week or so? He just makes these predictions that are not bound to come true - he does not actually do anything.

I honestly think that is changing. Many of us, Biden included, have struggled to understand what we're dealing with. If you asked me what I thought of Israel on 10/8 and what I think now, my responses would have been very different. Biden grew up immersed in the same paradigm that many of us did: that Israel could do no wrong and was above criticism. The scales have fallen from our eyes as this genocide has unfolded, and Biden is processing this new reality along with the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Netanyahu weakening a 75 year Israel-U.S. relationship is probably peak in his crowning achievements though.

Israel will need to kick him out ASAP. He’s been leading there longer than Hamas .

He needs his walking papers along with Hamas and Abbas

Let’s say there are elections in Israel and Netanyahu is voted out. What exactly changes? Permanent ceasefire? No expansion of settlements? Kick out settlers? An acknowledgement of the harm that Israel has done?

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Anonymous wrote:People have such short memories. Obama killed 12 Doctors Without Borders staff in a mistake air strike.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna440276

what happened in Israel was NOT a mistake, no matter what you say or try to equate it.

OMG, pp was comparing Israel’s attack on aid workers to aid workers killed under Obama. Note Obama had the decency to call and apologize.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Congress didn’t even have a Speaksr and wasn’t even functioning but could somehow expedite billions to Israel overnight in October it really opened many peoples eyes. According to the people in our government, we must extend the age of Social Security, and student loan debt and universal health care are things that are unaffordable but the countries we send money to have all these things . Migrants can get free room and board for breaking the law and crossing the border illegally but college students cannot and Americans should be prepared to work till they die . Nikki Haley, the biggest Israel supporter , said that verbatim. She didn’t see anything wrong with billions sent overseas but said Americans should work till death and be prepared for a day without Social Security.


This is a woman who lost to the “None/Prefer not to Say” option in the Nevada Republican primary

+1 Some day history will record the average American as a plebe, a serf, a servant to oligarchy. Those in power got their needs met.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Netanyahu weakening a 75 year Israel-U.S. relationship is probably peak in his crowning achievements though.

Israel will need to kick him out ASAP. He’s been leading there longer than Hamas .

He needs his walking papers along with Hamas and Abbas

Let’s say there are elections in Israel and Netanyahu is voted out. What exactly changes? Permanent ceasefire? No expansion of settlements? Kick out settlers? An acknowledgement of the harm that Israel has done?

Could a non-globalist win if Netanyahu is voted out?

[Anonymous]

Netanyahu did not destroy a 75 year relationship with US. Obama/Biden administration participated in passage of UN resolution declaring Israel must vacate settlements in land acquired since 1967.
Israel destroyed relationship with Democrats by electing Netanyahu. Clinton sent James Carville 30 years to campaign for Labor against Netanyahu.