Return of the CogAT

[Anonymous]

CogAT is back this year, for 3rd graders and (new?) also 2nd graders


https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/enriched/
Has this been discussed.

What does it mean?

[Anonymous]

Used to be administered for 2nd graders once upon a time.

[Anonymous]

Well, supposedly it was back last year for 2nd graders and then they didn't actually administer the test, so take it with a grain of salt. And it sounds like it is being used for SIPPI identification, which means nothing, rather than for CES admissions, where its use would be more meaningful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, supposedly it was back last year for 2nd graders and then they didn't actually administer the test, so take it with a grain of salt. And it sounds like it is being used for SIPPI identification, which means nothing, rather than for CES admissions, where its use would be more meaningful.

If it’s being administered to 3rd graders, it could be for CES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, supposedly it was back last year for 2nd graders and then they didn't actually administer the test, so take it with a grain of salt. And it sounds like it is being used for SIPPI identification, which means nothing, rather than for CES admissions, where its use would be more meaningful.

If it’s being administered to 3rd graders, it could be for CES.

Lottery is more aligned with the DEI goals. Things like CogAT favor wealthy families. I remember my kids CES teacher asking how many kids prepped for it and 80% of the class raised their hands.

[mouseJerry]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, supposedly it was back last year for 2nd graders and then they didn't actually administer the test, so take it with a grain of salt. And it sounds like it is being used for SIPPI identification, which means nothing, rather than for CES admissions, where its use would be more meaningful.

If it’s being administered to 3rd graders, it could be for CES.

Could anyone please recommend a good CogAT book just for practice? Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, supposedly it was back last year for 2nd graders and then they didn't actually administer the test, so take it with a grain of salt. And it sounds like it is being used for SIPPI identification, which means nothing, rather than for CES admissions, where its use would be more meaningful.

If it’s being administered to 3rd graders, it could be for CES.

It could be, but it's likely not. The process for SIPPI identification is completely different from the process for CES identification. This info is on the website for SIPPI identification. Last year's second graders, which were supposed to take it in the SIPPI identification process, weren't able to. It just sounds like they'll administer it to both 2nd and 3rd graders for the SIPPI identification process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, supposedly it was back last year for 2nd graders and then they didn't actually administer the test, so take it with a grain of salt. And it sounds like it is being used for SIPPI identification, which means nothing, rather than for CES admissions, where its use would be more meaningful.

If it’s being administered to 3rd graders, it could be for CES.

Lottery is more aligned with the DEI goals. Things like CogAT favor wealthy families. I remember my kids CES teacher asking how many kids prepped for it and 80% of the class raised their hands.

But right now the lottery uses MAP, which is based on exposure and most certainly favors white/wealthy families. CogAT would be better from that perspective in that its now based on exposure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, supposedly it was back last year for 2nd graders and then they didn't actually administer the test, so take it with a grain of salt. And it sounds like it is being used for SIPPI identification, which means nothing, rather than for CES admissions, where its use would be more meaningful.

If it’s being administered to 3rd graders, it could be for CES.

It could be, but it's likely not. The process for SIPPI identification is completely different from the process for CES identification. This info is on the website for SIPPI identification. Last year's second graders, which were supposed to take it in the SIPPI identification process, weren't able to. It just sounds like they'll administer it to both 2nd and 3rd graders for the SIPPI identification process.

Does SIPPI still exist?

[Anonymous]

What is SIPPI?

[Anonymous]

SIPPI is the identification of "gifted" students that begins in 2nd grade (and students who aren't identified in 2nd can be identified in later years). It is required by the state, which is why MCPS does it but it is absolutely meaningless and does not tie to anything like placement in the CES and middle school magnet lotteries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, supposedly it was back last year for 2nd graders and then they didn't actually administer the test, so take it with a grain of salt. And it sounds like it is being used for SIPPI identification, which means nothing, rather than for CES admissions, where its use would be more meaningful.

If it’s being administered to 3rd graders, it could be for CES.

My current 3rd grader was already “identified” last year. I don’t think it’s for sippi. Hopefully it makes CES identification more meaningful….

It could be, but it's likely not. The process for SIPPI identification is completely different from the process for CES identification. This info is on the website for SIPPI identification. Last year's second graders, which were supposed to take it in the SIPPI identification process, weren't able to. It just sounds like they'll administer it to both 2nd and 3rd graders for the SIPPI identification process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SIPPI is the identification of "gifted" students that begins in 2nd grade (and students who aren't identified in 2nd can be identified in later years). It is required by the state, which is why MCPS does it but it is absolutely meaningless and does not tie to anything like placement in the CES and middle school magnet lotteries.

It’s as useless as being on the honor roll is. The honor roll does not tie to any placement either.

[Anonymous]

My 3rd grader will have MAP M & MAP R (reading) test these 2 weeks. Do these early 2 test score count towards CES placement? Are these 2 tests different from the ones they take at 2nd grade? We have not had the back to school night yet, so we have no ideas what scores count and how will we notified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 3rd grader will have MAP M & MAP R (reading) test these 2 weeks. Do these early 2 test score count towards CES placement? Are these 2 tests different from the ones they take at 2nd grade? We have not had the back to school night yet, so we have no ideas what scores count and how will we notified.

1) Only the MAP-R will count toward placement in the CES lottey, not the MAP-M. In the past, they have used the winter test, not the fall test.

2) Yes, they are different. The MAP-M has more challenging content than the MAP-P. And MCPS no longer administers a MAP reading test for K-2, so the MAP-R is completely new.