Ford Pulls Back Its Electric Vehicle Push

[Anonymous]

Will other car companies follow suit?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/21/business/economy/ford-ev-plant-delay.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ek4.6HTN.gs3zLNzJ02aE&smid=url-share

[Anonymous]

No idiot
They pullied back bec they make crap cars

Outsold by Toyota and Honda and Hyundai and Kia. I would have said Tesla as well but Elons burning that reliability so.,

[Anonymous]

smart call!

[Anonymous]

They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

[Anonymous]

*to sell not see

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

The South Koreans are selling them as fast as they hit lots. Ford just makes a crappy product

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

The South Koreans are selling them as fast as they hit lots. Ford just makes a crappy product

How is that relevant to sales in the US? Ford's lightening is amazing. Much better than any other EV truck. But that's irrelevant. They aren't the only ones backing away from the EV market in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

The South Koreans are selling them as fast as they hit lots. Ford just makes a crappy product

How is that relevant to sales in the US? Ford's lightening is amazing. Much better than any other EV truck. But that's irrelevant. They aren't the only ones backing away from the EV market in the US.

I was talking about EVs in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

The South Koreans are selling them as fast as they hit lots. Ford just makes a crappy product

How is that relevant to sales in the US? Ford's lightening is amazing. Much better than any other EV truck. But that's irrelevant. They aren't the only ones backing away from the EV market in the US.

I was talking about EVs in the US.

Where are you getting your information?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

Sales are not down. Sales are up but are going up at a slower rate. Most, if not all EV manufactures in the US saw a growth in sales except Tesla. But because Tesla was over half the market, when it went down it made the entire market look bad. Really only Tesla has an issue. As another poster mentioned, the Korean manufacturers are selling EVs like hotcakes. BMW has seen more growth in EV sales than in ICE sales.

Part of Ford's problem is that it seems to have misunderstood the market. They keep producing huge monstrosities. Even the Mustangs is an SUV now. Demand appears to be for smaller, cheaper EVs

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

Sales are not down. Sales are up but are going up at a slower rate. Most, if not all EV manufactures in the US saw a growth in sales except Tesla. But because Tesla was over half the market, when it went down it made the entire market look bad. Really only Tesla has an issue. As another poster mentioned, the Korean manufacturers are selling EVs like hotcakes. BMW has seen more growth in EV sales than in ICE sales.

Part of Ford's problem is that it seems to have misunderstood the market. They keep producing huge monstrosities. Even the Mustangs is an SUV now. Demand appears to be for smaller, cheaper EVs

Sales were definitely down in 2023 or not as projected. You can't really compare the cheaper more affordable versions of KIA or Hyundai to Ford's monstrosity as you called it. The EV sales are projected to be up in part due to the mandate over the next several years. We will see if the court upholds the current mandate but I simply don't see how the current infrastructure supports it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

The South Koreans are selling them as fast as they hit lots. Ford just makes a crappy product

How is that relevant to sales in the US? Ford's lightening is amazing. Much better than any other EV truck. But that's irrelevant. They aren't the only ones backing away from the EV market in the US.

I was talking about EVs in the US.

Where are you getting your information?

I just bought an EV9. Finding the right trim in stock was not easy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

Sales are not down. Sales are up but are going up at a slower rate. Most, if not all EV manufactures in the US saw a growth in sales except Tesla. But because Tesla was over half the market, when it went down it made the entire market look bad. Really only Tesla has an issue. As another poster mentioned, the Korean manufacturers are selling EVs like hotcakes. BMW has seen more growth in EV sales than in ICE sales.

Part of Ford's problem is that it seems to have misunderstood the market. They keep producing huge monstrosities. Even the Mustangs is an SUV now. Demand appears to be for smaller, cheaper EVs

Sales were definitely down in 2023 or not as projected. You can't really compare the cheaper more affordable versions of KIA or Hyundai to Ford's monstrosity as you called it. The EV sales are projected to be up in part due to the mandate over the next several years. We will see if the court upholds the current mandate but I simply don't see how the current infrastructure supports it.

Sales were not down in 2023. Provide a cite or stop making stuff up. Hyundai actually accelerated the start up of their new EV factory in Georgia by 3 months because of demand.

Also the automakers, including Ford and the trade association for the entire industry, are “in the litigation” over the standards defending EPA and the standards, not attacking them.

[Anonymous]

Here’s the data on 2023 sales— you can see EV sales increased by like 40% when the car market overall was pretty flat. It’s just that sales didn’t double yoy like they had been.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1327-january-29-2024-annual-new-light-duty-ev-sales-topped-1-million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They pulled back because the sales are down. It's as simple as that.

They started ramping up because the Biden administration made it a de facto mandate to see a certain amount of EVs as new vehicles. They are currently being sued over the mandate and the car manufacturers are a part of the suit. It's unrealistic to have a mandate when there is still so little infrastructure to support the EVs.

Sales are not down. Sales are up but are going up at a slower rate. Most, if not all EV manufactures in the US saw a growth in sales except Tesla. But because Tesla was over half the market, when it went down it made the entire market look bad. Really only Tesla has an issue. As another poster mentioned, the Korean manufacturers are selling EVs like hotcakes. BMW has seen more growth in EV sales than in ICE sales.

Part of Ford's problem is that it seems to have misunderstood the market. They keep producing huge monstrosities. Even the Mustangs is an SUV now. Demand appears to be for smaller, cheaper EVs

Sales were definitely down in 2023 or not as projected. You can't really compare the cheaper more affordable versions of KIA or Hyundai to Ford's monstrosity as you called it. The EV sales are projected to be up in part due to the mandate over the next several years. We will see if the court upholds the current mandate but I simply don't see how the current infrastructure supports it.

Sales were not down in 2023. Provide a cite or stop making stuff up. Hyundai actually accelerated the start up of their new EV factory in Georgia by 3 months because of demand.

Also the automakers, including Ford and the trade association for the entire industry, are “in the litigation” over the standards defending EPA and the standards, not attacking them.

You couldn't be more wrong. I work closely with AFPM and they along with corn growers, the American Petroleum Institute, and a few others are MOST definitely suing the administration over the mandate. I literally work on it.