Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also adding a note here that once again, none of the Baldoni supporters are looking at this loss and saying, huh, I was wrong. Sure one person said “I’ll admit this was a tough day” and another said “the defamation loss hurts” and immediately went into appeal mode lol.

But no Baldoni supporter has said Freedman’s strategy, looking back, was poor. Or that they themselves were wrong to argue that amendment was liberally granted and would clearly be granted here, even when Lively kept presenting scores and scores of evidence of the futility of such amendment.

In fact, Baldoni supporters went on lecture Lively in how to proceed with her claims and how settlement was clearly going to be the best option, as always for them, but now a settlement for basically no money for each side although Lively’s claims are clearly worth tens of millions more than Baldoni’s now.

Freedman made a lot of unforced errors here. We have been telling you for a while but you wouldn’t listen and apparently you still won’t.

To be fair, a lot of us are not lawyers. I know this thread gets sidetracked by legal arguments, but plenty of us piped in several times to say we were more interested in the PR aspects of this. I am not a lawyer and I never, not once on this thread, and I have weighed in plenty, commented on Freeman‘s legal strategy. It’s just not my area of expertise and I never had an opinion on it.

I think he did great with some of the PR stuff and I think ultimately Blake suffered irrevocable damage to her reputation. This was going to happen regardless of what happened to this case.

I think it was very smart of him to release the website with all the text messages and emails when they did and I think that is what got sliced and diced in 1 million deep dive podcasts and where people really got to do a deep dive on Justin‘s POV. Also releasing the video of the dancing scene helped, but I have no opinion on anything he did legally or on what Blake’s legal team did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also adding a note here that once again, none of the Baldoni supporters are looking at this loss and saying, huh, I was wrong. Sure one person said “I’ll admit this was a tough day” and another said “the defamation loss hurts” and immediately went into appeal mode lol.

But no Baldoni supporter has said Freedman’s strategy, looking back, was poor. Or that they themselves were wrong to argue that amendment was liberally granted and would clearly be granted here, even when Lively kept presenting scores and scores of evidence of the futility of such amendment.

In fact, Baldoni supporters went on lecture Lively in how to proceed with her claims and how settlement was clearly going to be the best option, as always for them, but now a settlement for basically no money for each side although Lively’s claims are clearly worth tens of millions more than Baldoni’s now.

Freedman made a lot of unforced errors here. We have been telling you for a while but you wouldn’t listen and apparently you still won’t.

I didn’t see that at all. You seem incredibly immature

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I remember being lectured for even suggesting that Lively should at least wait for MTDs to be ruled on before entertaining settlement on Wayfarer's claims. And now there are no claims, and only two of them can even be amended (and they may not bother). I also argued she should at least get Wayfarer's financials first, given that they would be needed to assess damages, and was also told that was not necessary and she should just settle ASAP.

I agree. She should try to settle now that she’s had a win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I remember being lectured for even suggesting that Lively should at least wait for MTDs to be ruled on before entertaining settlement on Wayfarer's claims. And now there are no claims, and only two of them can even be amended (and they may not bother). I also argued she should at least get Wayfarer's financials first, given that they would be needed to assess damages, and was also told that was not necessary and she should just settle ASAP.

💯 and no self awareness by Baldoni supporters shown

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The public still absolutely loathes Blake. Untalented and dried up by the age of 40, so sad.

Ah yes, here comes the meltdown. What was that the previous poster was saying about pro-Baldoni posters being reasonable?

No meltdown, just stating facts. People really really hate Blake, and no amount of legal victories can change that.

You're making that mistake where because you think and feel something, you assume it is universal, when it's not. YOU really really hate Blake and no amount of legal victories can change that.

But most people are not following this case closely at all, are pretty ambivalent about it, and can be easily persuaded by the legal outcomes. So this loss is a huge blow for Baldoni from a PR perspective. Especially because a lot of people had reached a point of wishing both Blake and Justin would just go away. A judge dismissing Baldoni's whole case while Lively's still stands makes it seem like a judge has agreed with the public perception that this is all a colossal waste of time, but ONLY as to Baldoni's claims. It has the effect of giving Lively's claims more credence even though today's ruling wasn't even about her claims.

It also offers Blake a chance to take a victory lap that feels sympathetic for once. She posted something on her Instagram stories that was focused on the groups who filed amicus briefs and noted that most people who face these kinds of retaliatory discrimination lawsuits don't have the means she has to fight them. So she comes off as standing up for the rights of other women.

The fact of the matter is, Blake’s behavior in August prompted either people to organically hate her and resurface bad interviews, or prompted Justin Baldoni in an act of defense over rumors the cast hated him, to hire a PR communications firm to help the public hate her.

We don’t know what went down, but whatever it was, the fact remains the same, Blake has lost a ton of public support. She herself said she was suing because her hair care line suffered. I think it was an 80 or 90% drop in sales due to the bad press. There was just an industry article published, the products have not recovered. Target is going to drop the line - since target is the only one carrying the line, in short, Blake‘s line is dead or dying.

She has not booked a role since it ends with us came out. People will point to her three upcoming projects on IMDb, they have been there since well before it ends with us, they are in predevelopment and they are going nowhere.

She has lost millions of followers on Instagram, and I follow someone who tracks her followers and she’s lost another hundred thousand in the past couple hours. So no, this did not lead to a bunch of people flocking to support Blake. She’s actually lost some more followers since then. Is it a big deal? Probably not - she has 43 million. But she certainly is not gaining followers from this.

Taylor Swift was a huge boost to her brand. Doing things like being seen in the Super Bowl suite with Taylor, out on double dates, etc., that is over now. That is the kind of thing that will boost the sales of hair care products. She has lost that and I’m sure that weighed on target severing ties with her.

I have said it before on this thread. I think people will largely get over Ryan’s role in this and he will continue to be a big wig. I think people will be a lot less forgiving for Blake. We tend to be much harder on women. I personally don’t believe she was sexually harassed, but even if she was, I think this would’ve probably been really bad for her career sadly. I don’t agree with the way she went about it. I said before on this thread, she should’ve gone through appropriate protocols and she should not have run for a tell all in the New York Times. But that’s what she did and it has cost her in the public’s eye.

I don’t think a lot of her Hollywood friends or other celebs shunned her because they were waiting for the outcome of this case. I think they saw where the public was headed and they wanted to distance themselves. I don’t see that going away.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The public still absolutely loathes Blake. Untalented and dried up by the age of 40, so sad.

Ah yes, here comes the meltdown. What was that the previous poster was saying about pro-Baldoni posters being reasonable?

No meltdown, just stating facts. People really really hate Blake, and no amount of legal victories can change that.

You're making that mistake where because you think and feel something, you assume it is universal, when it's not. YOU really really hate Blake and no amount of legal victories can change that.

But most people are not following this case closely at all, are pretty ambivalent about it, and can be easily persuaded by the legal outcomes. So this loss is a huge blow for Baldoni from a PR perspective. Especially because a lot of people had reached a point of wishing both Blake and Justin would just go away. A judge dismissing Baldoni's whole case while Lively's still stands makes it seem like a judge has agreed with the public perception that this is all a colossal waste of time, but ONLY as to Baldoni's claims. It has the effect of giving Lively's claims more credence even though today's ruling wasn't even about her claims.

It also offers Blake a chance to take a victory lap that feels sympathetic for once. She posted something on her Instagram stories that was focused on the groups who filed amicus briefs and noted that most people who face these kinds of retaliatory discrimination lawsuits don't have the means she has to fight them. So she comes off as standing up for the rights of other women.

The fact of the matter is, Blake’s behavior in August prompted either people to organically hate her and resurface bad interviews, or prompted Justin Baldoni in an act of defense over rumors the cast hated him, to hire a PR communications firm to help the public hate her.

We don’t know what went down, but whatever it was, the fact remains the same, Blake has lost a ton of public support. She herself said she was suing because her hair care line suffered. I think it was an 80 or 90% drop in sales due to the bad press. There was just an industry article published, the products have not recovered. Target is going to drop the line - since target is the only one carrying the line, in short, Blake‘s line is dead or dying.

She has not booked a role since it ends with us came out. People will point to her three upcoming projects on IMDb, they have been there since well before it ends with us, they are in predevelopment and they are going nowhere.

She has lost millions of followers on Instagram, and I follow someone who tracks her followers and she’s lost another hundred thousand in the past couple hours. So no, this did not lead to a bunch of people flocking to support Blake. She’s actually lost some more followers since then. Is it a big deal? Probably not - she has 43 million. But she certainly is not gaining followers from this.

Taylor Swift was a huge boost to her brand. Doing things like being seen in the Super Bowl suite with Taylor, out on double dates, etc., that is over now. That is the kind of thing that will boost the sales of hair care products. She has lost that and I’m sure that weighed on target severing ties with her.

I have said it before on this thread. I think people will largely get over Ryan’s role in this and he will continue to be a big wig. I think people will be a lot less forgiving for Blake. We tend to be much harder on women. I personally don’t believe she was sexually harassed, but even if she was, I think this would’ve probably been really bad for her career sadly. I don’t agree with the way she went about it. I said before on this thread, she should’ve gone through appropriate protocols and she should not have run for a tell all in the New York Times. But that’s what she did and it has cost her in the public’s eye.

I don’t think a lot of her Hollywood friends or other celebs shunned her because they were waiting for the outcome of this case. I think they saw where the public was headed and they wanted to distance themselves. I don’t see that going away.

I'm sorry, I was told by several self-identified PR professionals on this thread recently that long posts like this are evidence of "paid shills" likely being paid by the word to post. So I can't give any credence to any of this. You won't fool me, PR bot!

[Anonymous]

Its true. She'll never fully repair her reputation. Those texts messages were badly and it makes sense why Taylor and others distanced themselves. It wasnt the lawsuit but her own words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But surely what Gottlieb really regrets now is that he has provided Freedman a roadmap for his remaining two claims instead of refraining to file any MTD at all. So I guess he sent them to the grocery store for milk, or the hardware store for nails, or something like that, and surely has deep regrets because although Gottlieb was able to obtain nearly everything on his list, now Freedman knows what’s on his list, or something like that.

Is this sarcastic? I think this was a good day for Lively but I think overall this case has been horrible for her, and I think a trial would be a big mistake. I think the Lively people on here will snark, but I objectively think this would be a great opportunity for her to push for a settlement and try to end this mess that she shouldn’t have started. And no, I’m not saying for 400 million. Maybe that each agree to withdraw claims and release a joint statement and donate a sum to some NFP. Unfortunately I wonder if her team is giving her smart guidance though

Someone said, in response to my comment, WHERE did anyone here say Lively should settle now for basically nothing even though her remaining claims are worth more, and here is one of several comments where Baldoni supporters take it upon themselves to advise Lively to settle now ASAP, with this one saying she should basically settle for no money and donate money together to non-profits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The public still absolutely loathes Blake. Untalented and dried up by the age of 40, so sad.

Ah yes, here comes the meltdown. What was that the previous poster was saying about pro-Baldoni posters being reasonable?

No meltdown, just stating facts. People really really hate Blake, and no amount of legal victories can change that.

You're making that mistake where because you think and feel something, you assume it is universal, when it's not. YOU really really hate Blake and no amount of legal victories can change that.

But most people are not following this case closely at all, are pretty ambivalent about it, and can be easily persuaded by the legal outcomes. So this loss is a huge blow for Baldoni from a PR perspective. Especially because a lot of people had reached a point of wishing both Blake and Justin would just go away. A judge dismissing Baldoni's whole case while Lively's still stands makes it seem like a judge has agreed with the public perception that this is all a colossal waste of time, but ONLY as to Baldoni's claims. It has the effect of giving Lively's claims more credence even though today's ruling wasn't even about her claims.

It also offers Blake a chance to take a victory lap that feels sympathetic for once. She posted something on her Instagram stories that was focused on the groups who filed amicus briefs and noted that most people who face these kinds of retaliatory discrimination lawsuits don't have the means she has to fight them. So she comes off as standing up for the rights of other women.

The fact of the matter is, Blake’s behavior in August prompted either people to organically hate her and resurface bad interviews, or prompted Justin Baldoni in an act of defense over rumors the cast hated him, to hire a PR communications firm to help the public hate her.

We don’t know what went down, but whatever it was, the fact remains the same, Blake has lost a ton of public support. She herself said she was suing because her hair care line suffered. I think it was an 80 or 90% drop in sales due to the bad press. There was just an industry article published, the products have not recovered. Target is going to drop the line - since target is the only one carrying the line, in short, Blake‘s line is dead or dying.

She has not booked a role since it ends with us came out. People will point to her three upcoming projects on IMDb, they have been there since well before it ends with us, they are in predevelopment and they are going nowhere.

She has lost millions of followers on Instagram, and I follow someone who tracks her followers and she’s lost another hundred thousand in the past couple hours. So no, this did not lead to a bunch of people flocking to support Blake. She’s actually lost some more followers since then. Is it a big deal? Probably not - she has 43 million. But she certainly is not gaining followers from this.

Taylor Swift was a huge boost to her brand. Doing things like being seen in the Super Bowl suite with Taylor, out on double dates, etc., that is over now. That is the kind of thing that will boost the sales of hair care products. She has lost that and I’m sure that weighed on target severing ties with her.

I have said it before on this thread. I think people will largely get over Ryan’s role in this and he will continue to be a big wig. I think people will be a lot less forgiving for Blake. We tend to be much harder on women. I personally don’t believe she was sexually harassed, but even if she was, I think this would’ve probably been really bad for her career sadly. I don’t agree with the way she went about it. I said before on this thread, she should’ve gone through appropriate protocols and she should not have run for a tell all in the New York Times. But that’s what she did and it has cost her in the public’s eye.

I don’t think a lot of her Hollywood friends or other celebs shunned her because they were waiting for the outcome of this case. I think they saw where the public was headed and they wanted to distance themselves. I don’t see that going away.

I'm sorry, I was told by several self-identified PR professionals on this thread recently that long posts like this are evidence of "paid shills" likely being paid by the word to post. So I can't give any credence to any of this. You won't fool me, PR bot!

Yes, that is also my understanding.

[Anonymous]

Where have all the lawyers who abused and dismissed us gone, now that the judge has ruled that they were very much and extremely wrong? Please explain yourselves and the absolute sh!tposting you have dumped out here in the past, insisting Freedman was being strategic and we were terrible lawyers, when the bulk of Baldoni’s high value claims are now dismissed with prejudice?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also adding a note here that once again, none of the Baldoni supporters are looking at this loss and saying, huh, I was wrong. Sure one person said “I’ll admit this was a tough day” and another said “the defamation loss hurts” and immediately went into appeal mode lol.

But no Baldoni supporter has said Freedman’s strategy, looking back, was poor. Or that they themselves were wrong to argue that amendment was liberally granted and would clearly be granted here, even when Lively kept presenting scores and scores of evidence of the futility of such amendment.

In fact, Baldoni supporters went on lecture Lively in how to proceed with her claims and how settlement was clearly going to be the best option, as always for them, but now a settlement for basically no money for each side although Lively’s claims are clearly worth tens of millions more than Baldoni’s now.

Freedman made a lot of unforced errors here. We have been telling you for a while but you wouldn’t listen and apparently you still won’t.

There were so many signs! The judge denying Baldoni's request for an extension out til after the MTD ruling but also clearly encouraging amendment beforehand! The judge granting NYT's stay request saying there was clear evidence for dismissal! All the collected evidence of insufficient facts in the sanctions motions! But no, the lawyers here (who kept telling Lively supporters that they couldn't possibly be lawyers lol) kept saying it was silly to think significant claims might get dismissed with prejudice, even though Lively/Reynolds were citing 2nd Circuit cases showing cases where dismissal was affirmed where granting leave to amend would have been futile.

How stupid you have got to feel right now. I mean, I hope you do for all the many, many insults that you sent toward us. I hope you feel humbled. Of course you never really can tell what a judge will do. But you all were so very sure, and yet so very, very wrong.

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Are you insecure? Because you spend literally pages gloating after every Lively win. It’s quite off putting which is probably why you spend all your time online. No other options.

[Anonymous]

Baldoni Case dismissed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where have all the lawyers who abused and dismissed us gone, now that the judge has ruled that they were very much and extremely wrong? Please explain yourselves and the absolute sh!tposting you have dumped out here in the past, insisting Freedman was being strategic and we were terrible lawyers, when the bulk of Baldoni’s high value claims are now dismissed with prejudice?

Good point. Especially interested to hear from the "litigators" who repeatedly said I was wrong that the extortion claims had zero basis in the complaint, or that the judge was likely to agree the statements in both the CRD and in the NYT article quoting or referring to the CRD, were covered by litigation and fair report privilege.

You were so confident. Where did you go?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also adding a note here that once again, none of the Baldoni supporters are looking at this loss and saying, huh, I was wrong. Sure one person said “I’ll admit this was a tough day” and another said “the defamation loss hurts” and immediately went into appeal mode lol.

But no Baldoni supporter has said Freedman’s strategy, looking back, was poor. Or that they themselves were wrong to argue that amendment was liberally granted and would clearly be granted here, even when Lively kept presenting scores and scores of evidence of the futility of such amendment.

In fact, Baldoni supporters went on lecture Lively in how to proceed with her claims and how settlement was clearly going to be the best option, as always for them, but now a settlement for basically no money for each side although Lively’s claims are clearly worth tens of millions more than Baldoni’s now.

Freedman made a lot of unforced errors here. We have been telling you for a while but you wouldn’t listen and apparently you still won’t.

I didn’t see that at all. You seem incredibly immature

Still not understanding Freedman as a big part of the problem here, or generally removing head from sand. Not a shock, really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also adding a note here that once again, none of the Baldoni supporters are looking at this loss and saying, huh, I was wrong. Sure one person said “I’ll admit this was a tough day” and another said “the defamation loss hurts” and immediately went into appeal mode lol.

But no Baldoni supporter has said Freedman’s strategy, looking back, was poor. Or that they themselves were wrong to argue that amendment was liberally granted and would clearly be granted here, even when Lively kept presenting scores and scores of evidence of the futility of such amendment.

In fact, Baldoni supporters went on lecture Lively in how to proceed with her claims and how settlement was clearly going to be the best option, as always for them, but now a settlement for basically no money for each side although Lively’s claims are clearly worth tens of millions more than Baldoni’s now.

Freedman made a lot of unforced errors here. We have been telling you for a while but you wouldn’t listen and apparently you still won’t.

There were so many signs! The judge denying Baldoni's request for an extension out til after the MTD ruling but also clearly encouraging amendment beforehand! The judge granting NYT's stay request saying there was clear evidence for dismissal! All the collected evidence of insufficient facts in the sanctions motions! But no, the lawyers here (who kept telling Lively supporters that they couldn't possibly be lawyers lol) kept saying it was silly to think significant claims might get dismissed with prejudice, even though Lively/Reynolds were citing 2nd Circuit cases showing cases where dismissal was affirmed where granting leave to amend would have been futile.

How stupid you have got to feel right now. I mean, I hope you do for all the many, many insults that you sent toward us. I hope you feel humbled. Of course you never really can tell what a judge will do. But you all were so very sure, and yet so very, very wrong.

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Are you insecure? Because you spend literally pages gloating after every Lively win. It’s quite off putting which is probably why you spend all your time online. No other options.

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