Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is that supporting Israel is going to cost Biden the election, progressives are not going to vote for him. He can't win without his base. So great job Biden for supporting these mass murderers.

I never get posts like these. So Trump will be POTUS again. It hurts Biden who is an old man who doesn't care that much, it hurts women, potentially hurts democracy at home. It's not going to impact middle east policy in ways you can predict or see as against Israel. So what's the point of the anti-Biden tantrum exactly, in terms of concrete results? What positive comes out of it?

I am sorry, I can’t vote for Biden just because he isn’t Trump, I just can’t. At least my conscience will be clean that I did not vote for a man who supports mass genocide. On other issues, I will take my chances.

Trump and clear conscience don’t really go together so that’s an interesting response.

I will not voting for Trump, I won’t vote for Biden either, he doesn’t represent American values.

The current White House represents Democrat and Obama values. OR is there a Democrat politician across America who is speaking out against the insanity of what’s going on in the Democrat Party? No.

Ummm…the entire progressive wing of the Democratic party has been calling for a cease fire for months.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! It was actually 3 separate strikes. The first strike some people escaped and got into a second car and then drove and they struck that one and then a third until all were dead. Even IDF has said whoops we thought it was Hamas but we were wrong. How many times can they be wrong-utterly incompetent murders.

They are not incompetent AT ALL. I am starting to wonder if really Netanyahu does just want to kill everyone in Gaza, including those there for humanitarian reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

You are absolutely right -- a powerful condemnation is not enough. It's a long, long way from enough. It's just a lot better than we're going to get from Trump. We've got two options at present: bad and absolutely horrible.

Biden is already beyond absolutely horrible so Trump will not have that much left to work with.

There are Republicans who said they want to nuke Gaza outright. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/31/politics/tim-walberg-gaza-nagasaki-hiroshima/index.html

There are Republicans want Palestinians kicked out of the US - https://zinke.house.gov/media/press-releases/zinke-introduces-bill-expel-palestinians-united-states

Can you name any pro-Palestine Republicans?

Can you name any Palestinian-Americans holding office as Republicans?

You might not like Biden but to try and claim "well it can't be much worse with the other side" only exposes your deep ignorance.

I’m a Democratic PP who decided today after a lot of contemplation to withhold my vote for Biden over Gaza. I vote in NY, would maybe feel different if I were in a swing state. I totally recognize that Republicans are worse on Israel and basically every other issue. I’m trying to do my part to force change on this issue in my own party. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that. Reducing his margin in a safe state is really all I can do to signal that I am not happy with his Israel policy and make him pay for it.

I doubt he cares. It just signals to everyone you actually know in the US that you give no shits about women's rights at home.

Clearly Biden cares more about supporting Israel's extermination of Palestinians than he does about women's rights.

Your alternative is Trump and Republicans who want to expel all Palestinians from the US and nuke Gaza outright.

Again, when did Trump do this? What terrible atrocities against the Palestinian people happened during his reign? History versus current events...

The moving of the US embassy?
The trump administration West Bank settler policy (that was reversed by this administration)?

These definitely set the conditions for the Israeli response here.

A symbolic political gesture doesn't compute to 40,000 dead and 100,000 maimed... I didn't like when trump did that, but to call moving an embassy an atrocity is certainly a stretch in light of what has happened recently.

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Anonymous wrote:That strike was to send a message to Jose. . . It succeeded. Jose has pulled out. These people are evil.

+1 Netanyahu will not rest until Gaza is just one giant puddle of blood. Reminds me of the Old Testament stories about the wars.

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Israel accidentally killed aid workers, and immediately apologized for doing so, in the midst of a war Hamas started. Hamas openly wishes it had been able to slaughter even more than 1,200 civilians on October 7th, and vows to continue such atrocities until the Jews and their state are annihilated. Hamas refuses to surrender and release the hostages they stole (including Americans), while rejecting multiple ceasefire offers. We *should* be aiding Israel, unequivocally and unconditionally. Bothsidesism is morally bankrupt.

We should never provide lethal weapons “unconditionally .”

I do not want my tax dollars being used to kill children, and I do not care what their religion or nationality are.

This x10000000

It’s not more complicated than this

Your tax dollars always kill civilians somewhere. Obama killed hundreds of civilians with drones. Trump drone strikes killed civilians in Somalia. Not sure why you are just waking up now.

You missed the word “children”? Israel has now killed more children than any conflict in recent history.

Add to that: I don’t want my tax dollars used to kill American citizens. Not the American citizen hostages in Gaza (where hostages are being killed by the IDF bombing) not the American citizens who were in Gaza when the conflict started and were effectively abandoned, and not the American humanitarians who selflessly went to Gaza to feed starving civilians.

Hamas is equally, if not more responsible for every dead child in Gaza.

Whomever makes this statement is stupid and lacks logical reasoning. You are not helping the cause, even if you think you are. A nation can be justified for going to war; a nation can also conduct itself immorally while at war. Are you not capable of holding those two thoughts in your brain at once?
There are two parts to conducting a just war. Jus ad bellum, which concerns the justifications for entering into war; and jus in bello, which concerns ethical conduct in war. Israel absolutely had very legitimate reason for entering into war against Hamas after 10/7. Israel's conduct once in war, however, repeatedly violated of long held norms about acceptable conduct in war. The most glaring violation is the blatant disregard for non-combatant immunity. The entire world aside from right wing Israelis is able to comprehend that the IDF's decisions to slaughter of thousands of children and the deliberate starvation of civilians, not to mention, of course, the murder of aid workers, are immoral.
The IDF has chosen how to respond to the attacks on 10/7. Hamas is not some master puppeteer who decides the IDF's next move and strategy. The IDF determines where it will strike, whom it will strike, and how it will strike. The IDF has responded poorly.
I am sad for Israel because it has needlessly and stunningly squandered the good will extended to it in October by virtually every nation. It's nearly unbelievable how stupid and reckless Israel has been in responding to Hamas by murdering thousands of Palestinian babies children (who are NOT Hamas!) and hundreds of aid workers. What's also incredibly stupid is that Israel is on a seeming suicide mission by fueling a new generation of anti-Israeli militants.

+1. Thank you for putting this into words!

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

You are absolutely right -- a powerful condemnation is not enough. It's a long, long way from enough. It's just a lot better than we're going to get from Trump. We've got two options at present: bad and absolutely horrible.

Biden is already beyond absolutely horrible so Trump will not have that much left to work with.

There are Republicans who said they want to nuke Gaza outright. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/31/politics/tim-walberg-gaza-nagasaki-hiroshima/index.html

There are Republicans want Palestinians kicked out of the US - https://zinke.house.gov/media/press-releases/zinke-introduces-bill-expel-palestinians-united-states

Can you name any pro-Palestine Republicans?

Can you name any Palestinian-Americans holding office as Republicans?

You might not like Biden but to try and claim "well it can't be much worse with the other side" only exposes your deep ignorance.

I’m a Democratic PP who decided today after a lot of contemplation to withhold my vote for Biden over Gaza. I vote in NY, would maybe feel different if I were in a swing state. I totally recognize that Republicans are worse on Israel and basically every other issue. I’m trying to do my part to force change on this issue in my own party. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that. Reducing his margin in a safe state is really all I can do to signal that I am not happy with his Israel policy and make him pay for it.

I doubt he cares. It just signals to everyone you actually know in the US that you give no shits about women's rights at home.

Clearly Biden cares more about supporting Israel's extermination of Palestinians than he does about women's rights.

Biden is a fundamentally decent human being. Trump is not. Biden's problem is that he's been hanging onto the old pro-Israel paradigm most of us used to buy into, but the ground is shifting for him as well as for almost everyone else. Today, he threatened Netanyahu with "consequences" unless he (Netanyahu) addresses the humanitarian situation in Gaza.

"President Biden emphasized that the strikes on humanitarian workers and the overall humanitarian situation are unacceptable ... He made clear that US policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by our assessment of Israel’s immediate action on these steps...Biden also said Israel needed to 'announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers.'"

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/biden-netanyahu-call-wck-deaths/index.html

Biden is a bunch of BS. He is letting Blinken and his friends kill the democratic party. Dems are collateral damage at this point. White folks won't suffer under Trump, and American Jews know this, so they will stop at nothing.

POC will suffer.

It would still be far worse with Republicans at the helm. There is not one credible iota of doubt about that.

Not sure it could be worse than over 10K dead babies.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden didn't do this. Bibi and his ilk did. Is there a command and control issue in the IDF? This attack was intentional, there is absolutely no question about that, and it isn't the first time. Heck, WCK had just the day or so before raised concerns about snipers firing on their vehicles. It's also an unambiguous war crime, also not the first time. Which raises the question of whether this is IDF policy or the actions of a rogue commander? Either way something is very rotten in Danyat.

Biden didn’t stop this, is the problem.

Biden didn’t wake up this morning, read the news, and say, the U.S will stop supporting Bibi in the UN and the ICJ. He read about the same war crime you did, and the deliberate killing of a U.S. citizen, and he did…nothing at all.

Biden couldn't do that, at the time, and he's been far more willing to criticize Israel than any administration since Bush 1.

He was given the world's biggest kaka sandwich at the world's worst time and has somehow miraculously preventing it from going global. That is a testament in and of itself.

That being said, the World Central Kitchen attack changes a lot.

At the time!? The time was literally yesterday. What stopped him from saying, yesterday, this is the end of U.S. support for Israel at the ICJ because it is rank hypocrisy to watch American humanitarians be killed in Israeli war crimes and use U.S. tax dollars to claim those war crimes aren’t happening. What stops him? I’ll wait.

If we applied the same standards across countries, we should actually be bombing Israel and taking Gaza away from Israel with boots on the ground.

Don’t be ridiculous. It’s like people are forgetting October 7.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so tired of people blindly following Israel. It's like seeing a bunch of ostriches with their heads in the sand.

The attack on World Central Kitchen was no accident. That was planned and then when it got so much attention IDF "whoopsies!" yeah right, gmafb.

Israel works closely with World Central Kitchen to distribute aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Per ABC evening news today, Biden shipped 2000 lb bombs few days ago to Israel. That’s it! Biden seems to think he will get more Jewish votes by continuing to supply weapons to Israel then the number of Muslim votes he will lose. Well, I am neither Jewish nor Muslim and I am fed up with Biden’s policy on Israel. Come November, I will not vote for him. I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Joe Biden in 2020. The only way I can register my opposition to Biden’s tone deaf policy of facilitating innocent killing of Palestinians is by not voting for him.

Which Democrat would you support?

You don't seem to understand. Voters don't need to pick another horse. They can stay home and not vote. That's my plan. If that helps Trump get elected, so be it.

So you’d rather see Gaza obliterated and Jared building his fancy homes there? Some Einstein-level thinking there.

Ethically, I can not vote for a president who is aiding a genocide, so I'll stay home

Ok, stay home and watch Trump win. Watch Trump and his son in law Jared take control and let the IDF wipe Gaza.
Do you care about the people in Gaza at all?
If you cared one bit about Gaza, you wouldn’t let Jared take control. You only care about yourself.
The goal isn’t to vote for the perfect leader. They are both bad and flawed. The goal is to pick the less evil.

Biden, Trump and even Kennedy are reflexively pro-Israel. Sitting out this election/writing someone in is really your only option for protesting what Israel is doing. Now one might want to ask why the only people you can vote for are pro-Israel.

It's not accomplishing anything though. You're not going to find a pro-Hamas POTUS next time around because you sat this one out. You're basically just hurting your own interests at home since Trump and Biden are so different on US issues...

Trying to equating opposing man made famine to being pro hamas is getting old fast.

It might be hard for you to grasp, but these are the two parties in this war. You're pro-Israel or pro-Hamas. Nobody likes starving civilians.

It may be hard for you to grasp, but total war to eliminate terrorists is a step too far for most people. Civilized countries do not create famines as a means of war

Pro-Hamas or pro-Israel are still the choices. Hamas is absolutely contributing to famine in Gaza and encouraging it.

I am nuanced pro-Israel. Hamas is primarily to blame - and they could have stopped it from happening in the first place, they could end it today, and they could have mitigated the harm.

But I think especially with the WCK killing, it's become clear that Israel cannot in good conscience continue to prosecute this way, they way they are. Israel is right to defend itself, and to eliminate Hamas, but at some point too many other people are dying for this cause. I think many people - even those who are pro-Israel - would say that point was a long time ago. For me, the WCK deaths have really driven home that this just doesn't make sense.

This has increasingly felt like Netanyahu's desperate gambit to hold onto power. Instead, it seems like in addition to killing too many people, it's also destroying Israel. It feels like this has crossed a line - both a moral line, and a public opinion/political line - that is going to be very hard to come back from.

Well, I think that a non-profit organization cannot in good conscience send its workers into an active war zone and then complain when they are inadvertently killed. Going directly into the line of fire has its logical consequences.

Also, I don’t believe for a second that those “innocent” volunteers don’t know where any of the hostages are. They are aiding and abetting terrorists.

Let’s stop pretending that World Central Kitchen is innocent here.

PP, you are sick. Do you really believe this? Would you sign your name to this post?

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Anonymous wrote:Per ABC evening news today, Biden shipped 2000 lb bombs few days ago to Israel. That’s it! Biden seems to think he will get more Jewish votes by continuing to supply weapons to Israel then the number of Muslim votes he will lose. Well, I am neither Jewish nor Muslim and I am fed up with Biden’s policy on Israel. Come November, I will not vote for him. I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Joe Biden in 2020. The only way I can register my opposition to Biden’s tone deaf policy of facilitating innocent killing of Palestinians is by not voting for him.

Which Democrat would you support?

You don't seem to understand. Voters don't need to pick another horse. They can stay home and not vote. That's my plan. If that helps Trump get elected, so be it.

So you’d rather see Gaza obliterated and Jared building his fancy homes there? Some Einstein-level thinking there.

Ethically, I can not vote for a president who is aiding a genocide, so I'll stay home

Ok, stay home and watch Trump win. Watch Trump and his son in law Jared take control and let the IDF wipe Gaza.
Do you care about the people in Gaza at all?
If you cared one bit about Gaza, you wouldn’t let Jared take control. You only care about yourself.
The goal isn’t to vote for the perfect leader. They are both bad and flawed. The goal is to pick the less evil.

Biden, Trump and even Kennedy are reflexively pro-Israel. Sitting out this election/writing someone in is really your only option for protesting what Israel is doing. Now one might want to ask why the only people you can vote for are pro-Israel.

It's not accomplishing anything though. You're not going to find a pro-Hamas POTUS next time around because you sat this one out. You're basically just hurting your own interests at home since Trump and Biden are so different on US issues...

Trying to equating opposing man made famine to being pro hamas is getting old fast.

It might be hard for you to grasp, but these are the two parties in this war. You're pro-Israel or pro-Hamas. Nobody likes starving civilians.

It may be hard for you to grasp, but total war to eliminate terrorists is a step too far for most people. Civilized countries do not create famines as a means of war

Pro-Hamas or pro-Israel are still the choices. Hamas is absolutely contributing to famine in Gaza and encouraging it.

I am nuanced pro-Israel. Hamas is primarily to blame - and they could have stopped it from happening in the first place, they could end it today, and they could have mitigated the harm.

But I think especially with the WCK killing, it's become clear that Israel cannot in good conscience continue to prosecute this way, they way they are. Israel is right to defend itself, and to eliminate Hamas, but at some point too many other people are dying for this cause. I think many people - even those who are pro-Israel - would say that point was a long time ago. For me, the WCK deaths have really driven home that this just doesn't make sense.

This has increasingly felt like Netanyahu's desperate gambit to hold onto power. Instead, it seems like in addition to killing too many people, it's also destroying Israel. It feels like this has crossed a line - both a moral line, and a public opinion/political line - that is going to be very hard to come back from.

Well, I think that a non-profit organization cannot in good conscience send its workers into an active war zone and then complain when they are inadvertently killed. Going directly into the line of fire has its logical consequences.

Also, I don’t believe for a second that those “innocent” volunteers don’t know where any of the hostages are. They are aiding and abetting terrorists.

Let’s stop pretending that World Central Kitchen is innocent here.

PP, you are sick. Do you really believe this? Would you sign your name to this post?

PP is running on Zionist fumes.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone knew all along that Hamas is despicable and unworthy of admiration. But only a segment of the U.S. knew all along that unconditional supporters of Israel truly are amoral scumbags and no more admirable.

This Gaza war has succeeded in forcing Israel to take off its mask, to reveal its hideous countenance for all to see, and for its unconditional supporters to begin facing the consequences of their racist, hypocritical worldview.

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So many of us used to support Israel unconditionally. As you say, this war has revealed Israel’s hideous, callous racism.

And so many of us used to talk about the Middle East “mess,” particularly during the Infititada years, not truly understanding why the fighting kept going on. Now, so many of us have finally learned about the Nakba and the original goals of Zionism. I don’t support Hamas, but my eyes have been opened to Jewish extremism.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden didn't do this. Bibi and his ilk did. Is there a command and control issue in the IDF? This attack was intentional, there is absolutely no question about that, and it isn't the first time. Heck, WCK had just the day or so before raised concerns about snipers firing on their vehicles. It's also an unambiguous war crime, also not the first time. Which raises the question of whether this is IDF policy or the actions of a rogue commander? Either way something is very rotten in Danyat.

Biden didn’t stop this, is the problem.

Biden didn’t wake up this morning, read the news, and say, the U.S will stop supporting Bibi in the UN and the ICJ. He read about the same war crime you did, and the deliberate killing of a U.S. citizen, and he did…nothing at all.

Biden couldn't do that, at the time, and he's been far more willing to criticize Israel than any administration since Bush 1.

He was given the world's biggest kaka sandwich at the world's worst time and has somehow miraculously preventing it from going global. That is a testament in and of itself.

That being said, the World Central Kitchen attack changes a lot.

At the time!? The time was literally yesterday. What stopped him from saying, yesterday, this is the end of U.S. support for Israel at the ICJ because it is rank hypocrisy to watch American humanitarians be killed in Israeli war crimes and use U.S. tax dollars to claim those war crimes aren’t happening. What stops him? I’ll wait.

If we applied the same standards across countries, we should actually be bombing Israel and taking Gaza away from Israel with boots on the ground.

Don’t be ridiculous. It’s like people are forgetting October 7.

How many children— not Hamas fighters, nor anyone who voted for Hamas, children— will die before you think October 7th is sufficiently avenged? Most of the humanity believes the death of thousands of children is too high a price to pay for vengeance.

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The Israeli dream is to push the Palestinians into Egypt and let Egypt deal with them. Then turn the Gaza Strip into a Los Vegas.

Honestly, the world no longer has to worry about the Palestinians. It would be Egypt’s problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden didn't do this. Bibi and his ilk did. Is there a command and control issue in the IDF? This attack was intentional, there is absolutely no question about that, and it isn't the first time. Heck, WCK had just the day or so before raised concerns about snipers firing on their vehicles. It's also an unambiguous war crime, also not the first time. Which raises the question of whether this is IDF policy or the actions of a rogue commander? Either way something is very rotten in Danyat.

Biden didn’t stop this, is the problem.

Biden didn’t wake up this morning, read the news, and say, the U.S will stop supporting Bibi in the UN and the ICJ. He read about the same war crime you did, and the deliberate killing of a U.S. citizen, and he did…nothing at all.

Biden couldn't do that, at the time, and he's been far more willing to criticize Israel than any administration since Bush 1.

He was given the world's biggest kaka sandwich at the world's worst time and has somehow miraculously preventing it from going global. That is a testament in and of itself.

That being said, the World Central Kitchen attack changes a lot.

At the time!? The time was literally yesterday. What stopped him from saying, yesterday, this is the end of U.S. support for Israel at the ICJ because it is rank hypocrisy to watch American humanitarians be killed in Israeli war crimes and use U.S. tax dollars to claim those war crimes aren’t happening. What stops him? I’ll wait.

If we applied the same standards across countries, we should actually be bombing Israel and taking Gaza away from Israel with boots on the ground.

Don’t be ridiculous. It’s like people are forgetting October 7.

You and Israel have managed to drive everyone into a state of shock. Shock in witnessing the pure evil of Zionism’s actual intentions, to the point where most people don’t give AF about 10/7 after what you’ve done.

Think about that. For hundreds of millions of people across the globe, you have turned a horrendous attack into apathy and now determination to vanquish the disease of Zionism.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden didn't do this. Bibi and his ilk did. Is there a command and control issue in the IDF? This attack was intentional, there is absolutely no question about that, and it isn't the first time. Heck, WCK had just the day or so before raised concerns about snipers firing on their vehicles. It's also an unambiguous war crime, also not the first time. Which raises the question of whether this is IDF policy or the actions of a rogue commander? Either way something is very rotten in Danyat.

Biden didn’t stop this, is the problem.

Biden didn’t wake up this morning, read the news, and say, the U.S will stop supporting Bibi in the UN and the ICJ. He read about the same war crime you did, and the deliberate killing of a U.S. citizen, and he did…nothing at all.

Biden couldn't do that, at the time, and he's been far more willing to criticize Israel than any administration since Bush 1.

He was given the world's biggest kaka sandwich at the world's worst time and has somehow miraculously preventing it from going global. That is a testament in and of itself.

That being said, the World Central Kitchen attack changes a lot.

At the time!? The time was literally yesterday. What stopped him from saying, yesterday, this is the end of U.S. support for Israel at the ICJ because it is rank hypocrisy to watch American humanitarians be killed in Israeli war crimes and use U.S. tax dollars to claim those war crimes aren’t happening. What stops him? I’ll wait.

If we applied the same standards across countries, we should actually be bombing Israel and taking Gaza away from Israel with boots on the ground.

Don’t be ridiculous. It’s like people are forgetting October 7.

You and Israel have managed to drive everyone into a state of shock. Shock in witnessing the pure evil of Zionism’s actual intentions, to the point where most people don’t give AF about 10/7 after what you’ve done.

Think about that. For hundreds of millions of people across the globe, you have turned a horrendous attack into apathy and now determination to vanquish the disease of Zionism.

+1. I’m a Democrat and I will never again vote for a “pro-Israel” candidate after what I’ve seen. It is now a dealbreaker as far as I’m concerned.