Gaza War, Part 3

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Israel accidentally killed aid workers, and immediately apologized for doing so, in the midst of a war Hamas started. Hamas openly wishes it had been able to slaughter even more than 1,200 civilians on October 7th, and vows to continue such atrocities until the Jews and their state are annihilated. Hamas refuses to surrender and release the hostages they stole (including Americans), while rejecting multiple ceasefire offers. We *should* be aiding Israel, unequivocally and unconditionally. Bothsidesism is morally bankrupt.

We should never provide lethal weapons “unconditionally .”

I do not want my tax dollars being used to kill children, and I do not care what their religion or nationality are.

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It’s not more complicated than this

Your tax dollars always kill civilians somewhere. Obama killed hundreds of civilians with drones. Trump drone strikes killed civilians in Somalia. Not sure why you are just waking up now.

Great logic. Quite a humanitarian. Since others have been killed, why not you and your tribe "get theirs"? Is that it?

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Anonymous wrote:Criticism of Israel is 100% valid. The issue is it too often comes from antisemites who would be anywhere from thrilled to indifferent if Jews were the ones dying. We know this because that is how these people reacted on October 7th. So I always look at this thread with a heavy and suspicious heart seeing some of the things being posted. Haaretz.com is a MUCH better place to look at Israel with a very critical eye but away from this type of element. Just a FYI for someone looking to actually get informed beyond repetitive buzzwords.

I see more anti-antisemitism than antisemitism. Israel has historically been given much gratuitous support and a free pass to commit horrible abuses because people shy away from appearing antisemitic. We live in a much more inclusive, non-hierarchical society than we used to, and we are less inclined to notice differences between ethnic groups. It is racist to give or demand special treatment, good or bad, to any particular group, and people today are looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through a much more objective lens than they used to. Knee-jerk support for Zionism -- in a form that privileges Jews and dismisses the Palestinian experience -- is declining. Perhaps what feels like "antisemitism" is simply the slow demise of racial privilege. We're all one, whatever our ethnicity. Most people today want to see ALL people flourish and NOBODY excluded. Palestinians have suffered terrible injustices for 100 years. To justify this treatment, one has to be racist. Please, let's not confuse being anti-racist with being antisemitic. It's contradictory to claim that failing to privilege one group over another is bigoted (or, in this case, antisemitic).

Exactly, when you're used to privilege, being treated like any other group feels like antisemitism.

It's not just the expectation of privilege and "get outta jail free" card since WWII. This superiority complex is endemic to Judaism.

FFS, many Jews (and all Zionists) continue to cling to the fairytale that they are LITERALLY chosen above all others by the divine. Think of how outrageous and fundamentally disrespectful that belief system is in 2024 ...

Have you spent much time with Evangelical Christians?

They think that anyone who does not have a personal relationship with Jesus (like them) will burn in hell for all eternity.

They are equally repugnant.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

You are absolutely right -- a powerful condemnation is not enough. It's a long, long way from enough. It's just a lot better than we're going to get from Trump. We've got two options at present: bad and absolutely horrible.

Biden is already beyond absolutely horrible so Trump will not have that much left to work with.

There are Republicans who said they want to nuke Gaza outright. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/31/politics/tim-walberg-gaza-nagasaki-hiroshima/index.html

There are Republicans want Palestinians kicked out of the US - https://zinke.house.gov/media/press-releases/zinke-introduces-bill-expel-palestinians-united-states

Can you name any pro-Palestine Republicans?

Can you name any Palestinian-Americans holding office as Republicans?

You might not like Biden but to try and claim "well it can't be much worse with the other side" only exposes your deep ignorance.

I’m a Democratic PP who decided today after a lot of contemplation to withhold my vote for Biden over Gaza. I vote in NY, would maybe feel different if I were in a swing state. I totally recognize that Republicans are worse on Israel and basically every other issue. I’m trying to do my part to force change on this issue in my own party. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that. Reducing his margin in a safe state is really all I can do to signal that I am not happy with his Israel policy and make him pay for it.

I doubt he cares. It just signals to everyone you actually know in the US that you give no shits about women's rights at home.

Clearly Biden cares more about supporting Israel's extermination of Palestinians than he does about women's rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

Republicans have said outright that they want to nuke Gaza. If you think heaping shit on Biden somehow helps your cause or gets Gaza and Palestinians in a better place, then you are SORELY mistaken.

Do you really think Joe is running the show here? Everyone who is blaming Biden forgets that the man is too old and out of it to be capable of making a sound decision. The decisions with respect to Israel are being made by the important members of his cabinet, members who - news flash, all seem to have deep links to the Jewish State of Israel. I believe close to 1/3 of Biden's cabinet position is Jewish - more important it's full of Jewish people with ancestors directly linked to the Holocaust. This is not an unbiased third party group of people that is capable of looking at the situation with rational eyes and making sound decisions. This group of elites within the cabinet is exactly why the vast majority of the American public has been ignored, lied to, or paid vacuous lip service with regards to their opinions on the matter.

So we are now back to "its the Joooooos" right?

Not all jews. Just those in power in the Biden White House who clearly have the power to make these decisions - despite not being directly elected by the American people.

Being a Jew and being American is not mutually exclusive.

It's a classic conflict of interest case. In a corporate setting you'd be fired and fined for these actions, in the Biden Admin you get to run the show. Willfully corrupt and amoral bunch.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

You are absolutely right -- a powerful condemnation is not enough. It's a long, long way from enough. It's just a lot better than we're going to get from Trump. We've got two options at present: bad and absolutely horrible.

Biden is already beyond absolutely horrible so Trump will not have that much left to work with.

There are Republicans who said they want to nuke Gaza outright. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/31/politics/tim-walberg-gaza-nagasaki-hiroshima/index.html

There are Republicans want Palestinians kicked out of the US - https://zinke.house.gov/media/press-releases/zinke-introduces-bill-expel-palestinians-united-states

Can you name any pro-Palestine Republicans?

Can you name any Palestinian-Americans holding office as Republicans?

You might not like Biden but to try and claim "well it can't be much worse with the other side" only exposes your deep ignorance.

Justin Amash

His relatives were killed in a church strike in Gaza . Gazas Christian population and churches are at the verge of genocide or are already completely wiped out . Does anyone care that nuns and priests are dying or does it not matter since they speak Arabic?

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It seems odd to me Evangelicals support Israel rather than the oldest and first Christian community

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Rev Munther Isaac, a Palestinian pastor, has a nice sermon called Christ in the rubble from last Christmas. He spoke from Palestine

https://youtu.be/Md_hw_A-oIs?si=VubxSd6WNJbBdzBP

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And if Hamas is ISIS, why would Christians choose to or be allowed to live under Hamas ? Hamas was killing ISIS and defending Christians in the Levant and Egypt from them. Israel was supporting ISIS

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

Republicans have said outright that they want to nuke Gaza. If you think heaping shit on Biden somehow helps your cause or gets Gaza and Palestinians in a better place, then you are SORELY mistaken.

Do you really think Joe is running the show here? Everyone who is blaming Biden forgets that the man is too old and out of it to be capable of making a sound decision. The decisions with respect to Israel are being made by the important members of his cabinet, members who - news flash, all seem to have deep links to the Jewish State of Israel. I believe close to 1/3 of Biden's cabinet position is Jewish - more important it's full of Jewish people with ancestors directly linked to the Holocaust. This is not an unbiased third party group of people that is capable of looking at the situation with rational eyes and making sound decisions. This group of elites within the cabinet is exactly why the vast majority of the American public has been ignored, lied to, or paid vacuous lip service with regards to their opinions on the matter.

So we are now back to "its the Joooooos" right?

Not all jews. Just those in power in the Biden White House who clearly have the power to make these decisions - despite not being directly elected by the American people.

To be fair, there is a divide in the White House between those that want to support Israel alone, and those that want to support Israel and Ukraine at the same time.

That's just friendly banter, they are all united in their willful disregard for American lives and contempt for American values or International Law.

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Irony.

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Evangelicals should be banned from US politics. Anyone who thinks Israel should be a state so Jesus can come down there and kill them shouldn’t be allowed to lead a country

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If Trump puts another Mike Pence type as Vp, I will have to hold my nose and vote Biden.

The VP will be critical this election in particular since both presidents are at risk of stroking out and dying

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Israel accidentally killed aid workers, and immediately apologized for doing so, in the midst of a war Hamas started. Hamas openly wishes it had been able to slaughter even more than 1,200 civilians on October 7th, and vows to continue such atrocities until the Jews and their state are annihilated. Hamas refuses to surrender and release the hostages they stole (including Americans), while rejecting multiple ceasefire offers. We *should* be aiding Israel, unequivocally and unconditionally. Bothsidesism is morally bankrupt.

We should never provide lethal weapons “unconditionally .”

I do not want my tax dollars being used to kill children, and I do not care what their religion or nationality are.

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It’s not more complicated than this

Your tax dollars always kill civilians somewhere. Obama killed hundreds of civilians with drones. Trump drone strikes killed civilians in Somalia. Not sure why you are just waking up now.

There is a difference between the US govt doing military actions and gifting weapons to another nation. If I disapproved of obama’s actions, I could protest them and I could withhold my vote. In this case, the decisions of how to deploy the weapons are given to people I have no say over - I accept the administration’s rationale for why we should supply arms to Ukraine. Given Israel’s actions, I no longer support the administration’s weapons gifts to Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:The aid workers were not Hamas and included an Australian, American, Canadian, UK, and Polish Citizen. They had told IDF of their movements that day and were traveling a zone that did not have active combat. IDF targets these aid workers bc they don’t want any aid in Gaza. How many mistakes can you make before people start to realize they do this on purpose.

The driver was Palestinian. Suppose he was Hamas - why didn’t Israel just target him specifically when the aid truck reached its destination?

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Anonymous wrote:The aid workers were not Hamas and included an Australian, American, Canadian, UK, and Polish Citizen. They had told IDF of their movements that day and were traveling a zone that did not have active combat. IDF targets these aid workers bc they don’t want any aid in Gaza. How many mistakes can you make before people start to realize they do this on purpose.

The driver was Palestinian. Suppose he was Hamas - why didn’t Israel just target him specifically when the aid truck reached its destination?

No. Not indulging these "you never know!" scenarios to let Israel off the hook. Zionazis. That's what they are. No better than the monsters who terrorized the world 80 years ago. Literally no better.