Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Criticism of Israel is 100% valid. The issue is it too often comes from antisemites who would be anywhere from thrilled to indifferent if Jews were the ones dying. We know this because that is how these people reacted on October 7th. So I always look at this thread with a heavy and suspicious heart seeing some of the things being posted. Haaretz.com is a MUCH better place to look at Israel with a very critical eye but away from this type of element. Just a FYI for someone looking to actually get informed beyond repetitive buzzwords.

I see more anti-antisemitism than antisemitism. Israel has historically been given much gratuitous support and a free pass to commit horrible abuses because people shy away from appearing antisemitic. We live in a much more inclusive, non-hierarchical society than we used to, and we are less inclined to notice differences between ethnic groups. It is racist to give or demand special treatment, good or bad, to any particular group, and people today are looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through a much more objective lens than they used to. Knee-jerk support for Zionism -- in a form that privileges Jews and dismisses the Palestinian experience -- is declining. Perhaps what feels like "antisemitism" is simply the slow demise of racial privilege. We're all one, whatever our ethnicity. Most people today want to see ALL people flourish and NOBODY excluded. Palestinians have suffered terrible injustices for 100 years. To justify this treatment, one has to be racist. Please, let's not confuse being anti-racist with being antisemitic. It's contradictory to claim that failing to privilege one group over another is bigoted (or, in this case, antisemitic).

Exactly, when you're used to privilege, being treated like any other group feels like antisemitism.

It's not just the expectation of privilege and "get outta jail free" card since WWII. This superiority complex is endemic to Judaism.

FFS, many Jews (and all Zionists) continue to cling to the fairytale that they are LITERALLY chosen above all others by the divine. Think of how outrageous and fundamentally disrespectful that belief system is in 2024 ...

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

And Trump was FAR more buddy-buddy with Netanyahu than Biden.

Your dear leader Biden was quick to hop on a plane to go to Israel to hang with Butcher Bibi because Biden is a self-proclaimed Zionist.

Your continued disinformation and misportrayals of Biden are DEEPLY DISHONEST.

Even before the WCK incident, Biden was caught on a hot mic venting his frustration and anger with Netanyahu.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/08/biden-netanyahu-israel-hot-mic

To suggest he's "buddy buddy" and "hanging out with" Netanyahu is at this point a straight up lie. From everything I have seen, Biden is not in any way happy with what Netanyahu is doing and he is no doubt working back channels to put a lot of pressure on Netanyahu.

Actions speak louder than words and until Biden stops authorizing the sale of weapons to Israel, he is in bed with Bibi and complicit in the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

And Trump was FAR more buddy-buddy with Netanyahu than Biden.

Your dear leader Biden was quick to hop on a plane to go to Israel to hang with Butcher Bibi because Biden is a self-proclaimed Zionist.

Your continued disinformation and misportrayals of Biden are DEEPLY DISHONEST.

Even before the WCK incident, Biden was caught on a hot mic venting his frustration and anger with Netanyahu.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/08/biden-netanyahu-israel-hot-mic

To suggest he's "buddy buddy" and "hanging out with" Netanyahu is at this point a straight up lie. From everything I have seen, Biden is not in any way happy with what Netanyahu is doing and he is no doubt working back channels to put a lot of pressure on Netanyahu.

Yes lots of news about how he’s furious and one “hot mic” about being mad.

No calls to the family of killed Americans— aid workers or teenagers.

No consequences for Israel.

Vetoed ceasefire after ceasefire on Israel’s behalf.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

Words are cheap. Biden and Blinken both issued “powerful” statements and then went right ahead and finalized sale of weapons to Israel the same day WCK aid workers were killed. I don’t want their thoughts and prayers.

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Anonymous wrote:Criticism of Israel is 100% valid. The issue is it too often comes from antisemites who would be anywhere from thrilled to indifferent if Jews were the ones dying. We know this because that is how these people reacted on October 7th. So I always look at this thread with a heavy and suspicious heart seeing some of the things being posted. Haaretz.com is a MUCH better place to look at Israel with a very critical eye but away from this type of element. Just a FYI for someone looking to actually get informed beyond repetitive buzzwords.

I see more anti-antisemitism than antisemitism. Israel has historically been given much gratuitous support and a free pass to commit horrible abuses because people shy away from appearing antisemitic. We live in a much more inclusive, non-hierarchical society than we used to, and we are less inclined to notice differences between ethnic groups. It is racist to give or demand special treatment, good or bad, to any particular group, and people today are looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through a much more objective lens than they used to. Knee-jerk support for Zionism -- in a form that privileges Jews and dismisses the Palestinian experience -- is declining. Perhaps what feels like "antisemitism" is simply the slow demise of racial privilege. We're all one, whatever our ethnicity. Most people today want to see ALL people flourish and NOBODY excluded. Palestinians have suffered terrible injustices for 100 years. To justify this treatment, one has to be racist. Please, let's not confuse being anti-racist with being antisemitic. It's contradictory to claim that failing to privilege one group over another is bigoted (or, in this case, antisemitic).

Exactly, when you're used to privilege, being treated like any other group feels like antisemitism.

Sadly, that privilege has been used to create a state bursting at the seams with entitlement and pathological narcissism, which is behind the dehumanization and genocide of Palestinians.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

Words are cheap. Biden and Blinken both issued “powerful” statements and then went right ahead and finalized sale of weapons to Israel the same day WCK aid workers were killed. I don’t want their thoughts and prayers.

I’m ok with what they have said because Israel was defending a terrorist attack. Hamas is a terrorist organization. I do not support them.

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Anonymous wrote:Criticism of Israel is 100% valid. The issue is it too often comes from antisemites who would be anywhere from thrilled to indifferent if Jews were the ones dying. We know this because that is how these people reacted on October 7th. So I always look at this thread with a heavy and suspicious heart seeing some of the things being posted. Haaretz.com is a MUCH better place to look at Israel with a very critical eye but away from this type of element. Just a FYI for someone looking to actually get informed beyond repetitive buzzwords.

I see more anti-antisemitism than antisemitism. Israel has historically been given much gratuitous support and a free pass to commit horrible abuses because people shy away from appearing antisemitic. We live in a much more inclusive, non-hierarchical society than we used to, and we are less inclined to notice differences between ethnic groups. It is racist to give or demand special treatment, good or bad, to any particular group, and people today are looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through a much more objective lens than they used to. Knee-jerk support for Zionism -- in a form that privileges Jews and dismisses the Palestinian experience -- is declining. Perhaps what feels like "antisemitism" is simply the slow demise of racial privilege. We're all one, whatever our ethnicity. Most people today want to see ALL people flourish and NOBODY excluded. Palestinians have suffered terrible injustices for 100 years. To justify this treatment, one has to be racist. Please, let's not confuse being anti-racist with being antisemitic. It's contradictory to claim that failing to privilege one group over another is bigoted (or, in this case, antisemitic).

Exactly, when you're used to privilege, being treated like any other group feels like antisemitism.

Sadly, that privilege has been used to create a state bursting at the seams with entitlement and pathological narcissism, which is behind the dehumanization and genocide of Palestinians.

The Palestinians elected Hamas. They’re hardly innocent. But Israel is no better.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

Words are cheap. Biden and Blinken both issued “powerful” statements and then went right ahead and finalized sale of weapons to Israel the same day WCK aid workers were killed. I don’t want their thoughts and prayers.

I’m ok with what they have said because Israel was defending a terrorist attack. Hamas is a terrorist organization. I do not support them.

Sure, that’s your right and decision. You are guided by your moral compass, according to that compass WCK aid workers were terrorists and that’s who Israel was defending itself from. Karma won’t be kind and it never forgets.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

Words are cheap. Biden and Blinken both issued “powerful” statements and then went right ahead and finalized sale of weapons to Israel the same day WCK aid workers were killed. I don’t want their thoughts and prayers.

I fully understand, but we also have to consider the Republican position. Now Trump is joining Walberg in saying that Israel needs to "get it over with fast," with all that implies. Trump expressed concern that Israel is "losing the PR war" because of the images coming out of Gaza. His
"solution" is not to condemn the atrocities behind those images but to suggest: a) people stop "releasing tapes" (i.e., hide the war crimes), and b) gain victory as quickly as possible (which presumably means bombing Gaza into oblivion). I agree Biden and Blinken are not responding with adequate firmness, but Trump would be so much worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Criticism of Israel is 100% valid. The issue is it too often comes from antisemites who would be anywhere from thrilled to indifferent if Jews were the ones dying. We know this because that is how these people reacted on October 7th. So I always look at this thread with a heavy and suspicious heart seeing some of the things being posted. Haaretz.com is a MUCH better place to look at Israel with a very critical eye but away from this type of element. Just a FYI for someone looking to actually get informed beyond repetitive buzzwords.

I see more anti-antisemitism than antisemitism. Israel has historically been given much gratuitous support and a free pass to commit horrible abuses because people shy away from appearing antisemitic. We live in a much more inclusive, non-hierarchical society than we used to, and we are less inclined to notice differences between ethnic groups. It is racist to give or demand special treatment, good or bad, to any particular group, and people today are looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through a much more objective lens than they used to. Knee-jerk support for Zionism -- in a form that privileges Jews and dismisses the Palestinian experience -- is declining. Perhaps what feels like "antisemitism" is simply the slow demise of racial privilege. We're all one, whatever our ethnicity. Most people today want to see ALL people flourish and NOBODY excluded. Palestinians have suffered terrible injustices for 100 years. To justify this treatment, one has to be racist. Please, let's not confuse being anti-racist with being antisemitic. It's contradictory to claim that failing to privilege one group over another is bigoted (or, in this case, antisemitic).

Exactly, when you're used to privilege, being treated like any other group feels like antisemitism.

Sadly, that privilege has been used to create a state bursting at the seams with entitlement and pathological narcissism, which is behind the dehumanization and genocide of Palestinians.

The Palestinians elected Hamas. They’re hardly innocent. But Israel is no better.

The last election was in 2006. That means, in case you can't bother to do the math, that Israelis killed children who either weren't born and many of their parents who were too young to vote in that election.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really starting to think the WCK attack is a turning point.

My hopeful, optimistic, probably wrong take is that this gives an opportunity for everyone to hit pause. Including, maybe especially, Israel. This gives them the opportunity to say: we need to end this war, Hamas, come to the table and none of us will leave until we have a deal. But that probably won't happen.

Hamas set out to destroy Israel and Netanyahu is helping them do it at this point.

What happened to the Ramadan cease fire?

Maybe you should ask Bibi/Israelis to come to the table first because they have been an equal stumbling block in the quest for peace and a two-state solution. Plus, at this point Israel is now the aggressor and oppressor committing genocide.

Yes, after Hamas broke initial ceasefires, Israel has come to the table but it's hard to see either side as having put forth the best faith effort to come to agreement.

Hamas could end this today. Please don't ever forget that. They could have stopped this from happening in the first place, and they could end it today.

Israel could have accepted the ceasefire when the UN Security Council voted at the end of March. Please don't forget that. If Israel had accepted that, then the WCK workers might be alive today.

Except history shows that the ceasefires don't work because Hamas hasn't ever kept up its end. Refused to return hostages, continued to attack with snipers, IEDs and rockets.

Except history shows that Israel will continue to promote settlers on the West Bank who terrorize and kill Palestinians on their own land. Israel continues to violate ceasefires.

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Anonymous wrote:Criticism of Israel is 100% valid. The issue is it too often comes from antisemites who would be anywhere from thrilled to indifferent if Jews were the ones dying. We know this because that is how these people reacted on October 7th. So I always look at this thread with a heavy and suspicious heart seeing some of the things being posted. Haaretz.com is a MUCH better place to look at Israel with a very critical eye but away from this type of element. Just a FYI for someone looking to actually get informed beyond repetitive buzzwords.

I see more anti-antisemitism than antisemitism. Israel has historically been given much gratuitous support and a free pass to commit horrible abuses because people shy away from appearing antisemitic. We live in a much more inclusive, non-hierarchical society than we used to, and we are less inclined to notice differences between ethnic groups. It is racist to give or demand special treatment, good or bad, to any particular group, and people today are looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through a much more objective lens than they used to. Knee-jerk support for Zionism -- in a form that privileges Jews and dismisses the Palestinian experience -- is declining. Perhaps what feels like "antisemitism" is simply the slow demise of racial privilege. We're all one, whatever our ethnicity. Most people today want to see ALL people flourish and NOBODY excluded. Palestinians have suffered terrible injustices for 100 years. To justify this treatment, one has to be racist. Please, let's not confuse being anti-racist with being antisemitic. It's contradictory to claim that failing to privilege one group over another is bigoted (or, in this case, antisemitic).

Exactly, when you're used to privilege, being treated like any other group feels like antisemitism.

Sadly, that privilege has been used to create a state bursting at the seams with entitlement and pathological narcissism, which is behind the dehumanization and genocide of Palestinians.

The Palestinians elected Hamas. They’re hardly innocent. But Israel is no better.

Which "Palestinians"? Forty percent of Palestinians in Gaza are 14 years old and younger. They are absolutely innocent, and they are suffering and dying disproportionately. The vast majority of people who have been starved to death in Palestine are children -- they are the group most at risk from the effects of malnutrition. I agree Israel is no better, and I'd argue it is substantially worse.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m out Joe.

One year ago I couldnt fathom a scenario where I didnt vote for Biden. I am so sickened by this blind support for zionist bloodlust.

I am truly disgusted by this admin

So does this mean you vote for Trump, who would probably just nuke Gaza?

What are the options?

I'm not sure why you think Trump would nuke Gaza. The world seemed a lot more peaceful when he was in office tbh.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, the fallout from World Kitchen is bad. Pro-Israel folks are now highly critical of Netanyahu. The American people are turning away from Israel. They’re not supporting Hamas but they’re not supporting Israel.

If you'd have listened to us for one second, you'd have known we were highly critical of Netanyahu all along.

This doesn't make us turn against Israel. When you weren't shouting at us and calling us horrible names, we were trying to explain our point of view. But none of you listen.

You were “highly critical”, but you did nothing.

You have been the bystanders to this all along— the exact bystanders who have been condemned in every other horror of this and the last century.

what the f do you wnt us to do? march with the ceasefire now people who target jewish-owned businesses and are so polarizing that they're actually turning people away from their cause?

guess what - we're jewish, not israeli. and even israelis, protesting by the thousands, haven't been able to get netanyahu to change/

i guess we could target our space lasers right at bibi's house - you're right, we should have thought of that earlier.

Well, if Israelis, in a democracy, can't get rid of Bibi, how do you expect Gazans to get rid of Hamas?

THEY CAN WHEN THERE IS AN ELECTION

There are thousands and thousands of Israels out in the street protesting Netanyahu and protesting this war, and protesting to try to get the government to do more to get the hostages back.

Why do Israelis keep electing him?

why are americans ok with withholding their vote for biden over the war in Gaza, which they know will hand the election to Trump, who incited violence to overthrow the election he lost and is a known threat to democracy and women?

Why are Biden and the DNC elites willing to elect Trump rather than ditch supporting Bibi, Israel and the ongoing genocide in Gaza?

No, go back and answer the question. That will answer this question.

Apparently Biden and Democrats believe supporting Israel is more important than maintaining America's democracy.

Biden issued a powerful condemnation of the murder of the WCK workers, but I agree that he needs to do more. Democrats are also speaking out more and more. On the other side, let's not forget Republican congressman Tim Walberg's unabashed support for genocide when he suggested nuking Gaza to "get it over quick." Biden and the Democrats may be failing on this issue and it's certainly very frustrating, but the Republicans are much, much, much worse.

We're all processing the situation, and this war has led to major paradigm changes globally about Israel. Its image is forever tarnished. Let's give Biden and the Democrats a little more time to catch up. Nobody wants to believe how bad this is, but as the evidence mounts, it's near impossible to avoid the conclusion that Israel is conducting genocide. I hope the ICJ gets an affirmative ruling on genocide out soon and that informs the Biden administration's policies going forward.

A powerful condemnation. Wow, is the next step a tersely worded letter? He is giving bombs to an army in the midst of ethnic cleansing at best and genocide at worst. But I guess the powerful condemnation makes it ok

You are absolutely right -- a powerful condemnation is not enough. It's a long, long way from enough. It's just a lot better than we're going to get from Trump. We've got two options at present: bad and absolutely horrible.