Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you wondering about emissions from passenger vehicles in DC, here are some stats.

Bottom line: passenger vehicles account for 16 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions. The main source of greenhouse gas emissions are commercial and residential buildings. So for those of you wanting greater density, maybe you want to think of the environmental impact.

Overall, transportation accounts for about 21 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions, but passengers vehicles only represent 79 percent of that 21 percent. That equates to 16 percent of the overall emissions. Buses, trucks and transit account for the rest of the transportation emissions.


Obviously, reducing passenger car track plays an important role, but the argument for that is not the flex you think it is. Particularly when commercial and residential buildings are actually the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions in DC.


https://doee.dc.gov/service/greenhouse-gas-inventories#:~:text=Emissions%20Sources%20in%20the%20District&text=In%20the%20District%2C%20emissions%20come,%25)%20and%20waste%20(7%25).

You don’t seem to understand that theses lanes will not result in fewer cars. It will only push cars onto other roads where they will increase pollution and decrease safety. Any reduction in cars will be because MD and NWDC drivers decide it’s no longer worth it to drive downtown, which raises serious economic concerns. The problem with young, childless elected officials making major decisions is that they don’t have the life experience to comprehend why most older professionals will reject the bike lanes. They haven’t received the mid-day call to pick up a sick child or have to leave work suddenly to meet a contractor or bring an aging parent to medical appointment. And yes, we get it that there are some hippie parents who are all about bike lanes, but they’re the small minority.

The results you are hypothesizing are not supported by facts, no matter how many times you try to assert them.

I am an older professional with children. These bike lanes will be a game changer for our household, in a good way. Please just stop with the doom and gloom. We will easily cut our driving by at least half.

You should read this. This is how these lanes play out in the real world, not in the bike industry paid studies. I wish you and you family good luck, you will need it.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2021/02/28/the-supposed-safe-feeling-of-protected-bike-lanes-is-misleading-even-deadly/

We will be vary happy to use our bikes to run errands, support our local businesses and get our kids to school safely. Thank you for the good wishes.

Not sure how you plan to bike home with your multiple bags of groceries, or how you plan to bike your multiple kids to their multiple schools with their backpack and sports equipment, followed of course biking them to their favorite sports practice elsewhere. Please enjoy!!

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We already do this, so it shouldn't be of any concern to you. We just want to be able to do it to the places we go more directly and safely than we do now.

Nice try, but I doubt it.

DP. I lived for years in Ward 3 doing all of this. It's really not that hard. Much easier if you have an e-bike (which I don't have).

e-Bikes are now selling electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids (https://electrek.co/2022/01/26/electric-bicycles-are-now-outselling-electric-cars-and-plug-in-hybrids-combined-in-the-us/). Things are changing, like it or not.

The vast majority of people are NOT going to give up their cars and you obsessive bike nuts are and will continue to be a loud minority,like it or not.

No one said a vast majority needs to. But, if enough of a minority do, then it frees up lanes for people to drive in and spaces for people to park in. No one has ever suggested that hundreds of thousands of people are going to suddenly switch to bikes or ebikes.

That is correct. Nobody has claimed hundreda of thousands are suddenly going to take up commuter bicycling if two lanes of Connecticut Aveneue are removes. They've only claimed ten thousand will.

Ten thousand people seems more realistic if it was flat. Going uphill after a long day of work seems challenging for a lot of people. I expect current cyclists will not give grace to people struggling uphill, though I could be wrong. The other bike lanes don't have room for passing.

Even if it was flat, which it is not, that would be wildly exaggerated. Are there even 10,000 bicycle commuters in the entire city right now? What are the actual numbers? Regardless the idea that 25% of current Connecticut Avenue commuters will instanteously switch to bikes is not even close to being realistic.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you wondering about emissions from passenger vehicles in DC, here are some stats.

Bottom line: passenger vehicles account for 16 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions. The main source of greenhouse gas emissions are commercial and residential buildings. So for those of you wanting greater density, maybe you want to think of the environmental impact.

Overall, transportation accounts for about 21 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions, but passengers vehicles only represent 79 percent of that 21 percent. That equates to 16 percent of the overall emissions. Buses, trucks and transit account for the rest of the transportation emissions.


Obviously, reducing passenger car track plays an important role, but the argument for that is not the flex you think it is. Particularly when commercial and residential buildings are actually the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions in DC.


https://doee.dc.gov/service/greenhouse-gas-inventories#:~:text=Emissions%20Sources%20in%20the%20District&text=In%20the%20District%2C%20emissions%20come,%25)%20and%20waste%20(7%25).

You don’t seem to understand that theses lanes will not result in fewer cars. It will only push cars onto other roads where they will increase pollution and decrease safety. Any reduction in cars will be because MD and NWDC drivers decide it’s no longer worth it to drive downtown, which raises serious economic concerns. The problem with young, childless elected officials making major decisions is that they don’t have the life experience to comprehend why most older professionals will reject the bike lanes. They haven’t received the mid-day call to pick up a sick child or have to leave work suddenly to meet a contractor or bring an aging parent to medical appointment. And yes, we get it that there are some hippie parents who are all about bike lanes, but they’re the small minority.

The results you are hypothesizing are not supported by facts, no matter how many times you try to assert them.

I am an older professional with children. These bike lanes will be a game changer for our household, in a good way. Please just stop with the doom and gloom. We will easily cut our driving by at least half.

You should read this. This is how these lanes play out in the real world, not in the bike industry paid studies. I wish you and you family good luck, you will need it.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2021/02/28/the-supposed-safe-feeling-of-protected-bike-lanes-is-misleading-even-deadly/

We will be vary happy to use our bikes to run errands, support our local businesses and get our kids to school safely. Thank you for the good wishes.

Not sure how you plan to bike home with your multiple bags of groceries, or how you plan to bike your multiple kids to their multiple schools with their backpack and sports equipment, followed of course biking them to their favorite sports practice elsewhere. Please enjoy!!

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We already do this, so it shouldn't be of any concern to you. We just want to be able to do it to the places we go more directly and safely than we do now.

Nice try, but I doubt it.

DP. I lived for years in Ward 3 doing all of this. It's really not that hard. Much easier if you have an e-bike (which I don't have).

e-Bikes are now selling electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids (https://electrek.co/2022/01/26/electric-bicycles-are-now-outselling-electric-cars-and-plug-in-hybrids-combined-in-the-us/). Things are changing, like it or not.

The vast majority of people are NOT going to give up their cars and you obsessive bike nuts are and will continue to be a loud minority,like it or not.

No one said a vast majority needs to. But, if enough of a minority do, then it frees up lanes for people to drive in and spaces for people to park in. No one has ever suggested that hundreds of thousands of people are going to suddenly switch to bikes or ebikes.

That is correct. Nobody has claimed hundreda of thousands are suddenly going to take up commuter bicycling if two lanes of Connecticut Aveneue are removes. They've only claimed ten thousand will.

Ten thousand people seems more realistic if it was flat. Going uphill after a long day of work seems challenging for a lot of people. I expect current cyclists will not give grace to people struggling uphill, though I could be wrong. The other bike lanes don't have room for passing.

Even if it was flat, which it is not, that would be wildly exaggerated. Are there even 10,000 bicycle commuters in the entire city right now? What are the actual numbers? Regardless the idea that 25% of current Connecticut Avenue commuters will instanteously switch to bikes is not even close to being realistic.

Who is putting forth that assumption? Where is it stated?

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Someone used the 10,000 number on this thread. DDOTs number is 3000. So the naysayers falsely move the goalposts once again.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you wondering about emissions from passenger vehicles in DC, here are some stats.

Bottom line: passenger vehicles account for 16 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions. The main source of greenhouse gas emissions are commercial and residential buildings. So for those of you wanting greater density, maybe you want to think of the environmental impact.

Overall, transportation accounts for about 21 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions, but passengers vehicles only represent 79 percent of that 21 percent. That equates to 16 percent of the overall emissions. Buses, trucks and transit account for the rest of the transportation emissions.


Obviously, reducing passenger car track plays an important role, but the argument for that is not the flex you think it is. Particularly when commercial and residential buildings are actually the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions in DC.


https://doee.dc.gov/service/greenhouse-gas-inventories#:~:text=Emissions%20Sources%20in%20the%20District&text=In%20the%20District%2C%20emissions%20come,%25)%20and%20waste%20(7%25).

You don’t seem to understand that theses lanes will not result in fewer cars. It will only push cars onto other roads where they will increase pollution and decrease safety. Any reduction in cars will be because MD and NWDC drivers decide it’s no longer worth it to drive downtown, which raises serious economic concerns. The problem with young, childless elected officials making major decisions is that they don’t have the life experience to comprehend why most older professionals will reject the bike lanes. They haven’t received the mid-day call to pick up a sick child or have to leave work suddenly to meet a contractor or bring an aging parent to medical appointment. And yes, we get it that there are some hippie parents who are all about bike lanes, but they’re the small minority.

The results you are hypothesizing are not supported by facts, no matter how many times you try to assert them.

I am an older professional with children. These bike lanes will be a game changer for our household, in a good way. Please just stop with the doom and gloom. We will easily cut our driving by at least half.

You should read this. This is how these lanes play out in the real world, not in the bike industry paid studies. I wish you and you family good luck, you will need it.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2021/02/28/the-supposed-safe-feeling-of-protected-bike-lanes-is-misleading-even-deadly/

We will be vary happy to use our bikes to run errands, support our local businesses and get our kids to school safely. Thank you for the good wishes.

Not sure how you plan to bike home with your multiple bags of groceries, or how you plan to bike your multiple kids to their multiple schools with their backpack and sports equipment, followed of course biking them to their favorite sports practice elsewhere. Please enjoy!!

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We already do this, so it shouldn't be of any concern to you. We just want to be able to do it to the places we go more directly and safely than we do now.

Nice try, but I doubt it.

DP. I lived for years in Ward 3 doing all of this. It's really not that hard. Much easier if you have an e-bike (which I don't have).

e-Bikes are now selling electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids (https://electrek.co/2022/01/26/electric-bicycles-are-now-outselling-electric-cars-and-plug-in-hybrids-combined-in-the-us/). Things are changing, like it or not.

The vast majority of people are NOT going to give up their cars and you obsessive bike nuts are and will continue to be a loud minority,like it or not.

No one said a vast majority needs to. But, if enough of a minority do, then it frees up lanes for people to drive in and spaces for people to park in. No one has ever suggested that hundreds of thousands of people are going to suddenly switch to bikes or ebikes.

That is correct. Nobody has claimed hundreda of thousands are suddenly going to take up commuter bicycling if two lanes of Connecticut Aveneue are removes. They've only claimed ten thousand will.

Ten thousand people seems more realistic if it was flat. Going uphill after a long day of work seems challenging for a lot of people. I expect current cyclists will not give grace to people struggling uphill, though I could be wrong. The other bike lanes don't have room for passing.

Even if it was flat, which it is not, that would be wildly exaggerated. Are there even 10,000 bicycle commuters in the entire city right now? What are the actual numbers? Regardless the idea that 25% of current Connecticut Avenue commuters will instanteously switch to bikes is not even close to being realistic.

There are hundreds of thousands of bike riders. This isn't about commuting, particularly since more people are working from home. Why are you fixated on the commuting number when we should be looking at anticipated usage, which to date, DDOT hasn't estimated. Becuase the number would be too high.

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Why not first try both improving the transit experience and increasing speeding enforcement? If that doesn’t work, then have at it with the bike lanes. Seems like a hell of gamble to take with the business community.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone used the 10,000 number on this thread. DDOTs number is 3000. So the naysayers falsely move the goalposts once again.

Does that mean you are finally admitting that traffic will be substantially increased on the side streets?

The reason why 10,000 keeps being mentioned is because many are claiming that this will reduce traffic and that is how many need to take it up to reduce traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you wondering about emissions from passenger vehicles in DC, here are some stats.

Bottom line: passenger vehicles account for 16 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions. The main source of greenhouse gas emissions are commercial and residential buildings. So for those of you wanting greater density, maybe you want to think of the environmental impact.

Overall, transportation accounts for about 21 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions, but passengers vehicles only represent 79 percent of that 21 percent. That equates to 16 percent of the overall emissions. Buses, trucks and transit account for the rest of the transportation emissions.


Obviously, reducing passenger car track plays an important role, but the argument for that is not the flex you think it is. Particularly when commercial and residential buildings are actually the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions in DC.


https://doee.dc.gov/service/greenhouse-gas-inventories#:~:text=Emissions%20Sources%20in%20the%20District&text=In%20the%20District%2C%20emissions%20come,%25)%20and%20waste%20(7%25).

You don’t seem to understand that theses lanes will not result in fewer cars. It will only push cars onto other roads where they will increase pollution and decrease safety. Any reduction in cars will be because MD and NWDC drivers decide it’s no longer worth it to drive downtown, which raises serious economic concerns. The problem with young, childless elected officials making major decisions is that they don’t have the life experience to comprehend why most older professionals will reject the bike lanes. They haven’t received the mid-day call to pick up a sick child or have to leave work suddenly to meet a contractor or bring an aging parent to medical appointment. And yes, we get it that there are some hippie parents who are all about bike lanes, but they’re the small minority.

The results you are hypothesizing are not supported by facts, no matter how many times you try to assert them.

I am an older professional with children. These bike lanes will be a game changer for our household, in a good way. Please just stop with the doom and gloom. We will easily cut our driving by at least half.

You should read this. This is how these lanes play out in the real world, not in the bike industry paid studies. I wish you and you family good luck, you will need it.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2021/02/28/the-supposed-safe-feeling-of-protected-bike-lanes-is-misleading-even-deadly/

We will be vary happy to use our bikes to run errands, support our local businesses and get our kids to school safely. Thank you for the good wishes.

Not sure how you plan to bike home with your multiple bags of groceries, or how you plan to bike your multiple kids to their multiple schools with their backpack and sports equipment, followed of course biking them to their favorite sports practice elsewhere. Please enjoy!!

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We already do this, so it shouldn't be of any concern to you. We just want to be able to do it to the places we go more directly and safely than we do now.

Nice try, but I doubt it.

DP. I lived for years in Ward 3 doing all of this. It's really not that hard. Much easier if you have an e-bike (which I don't have).

e-Bikes are now selling electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids (https://electrek.co/2022/01/26/electric-bicycles-are-now-outselling-electric-cars-and-plug-in-hybrids-combined-in-the-us/). Things are changing, like it or not.

The vast majority of people are NOT going to give up their cars and you obsessive bike nuts are and will continue to be a loud minority,like it or not.

No one said a vast majority needs to. But, if enough of a minority do, then it frees up lanes for people to drive in and spaces for people to park in. No one has ever suggested that hundreds of thousands of people are going to suddenly switch to bikes or ebikes.

That is correct. Nobody has claimed hundreda of thousands are suddenly going to take up commuter bicycling if two lanes of Connecticut Aveneue are removes. They've only claimed ten thousand will.

Ten thousand people seems more realistic if it was flat. Going uphill after a long day of work seems challenging for a lot of people. I expect current cyclists will not give grace to people struggling uphill, though I could be wrong. The other bike lanes don't have room for passing.

Even if it was flat, which it is not, that would be wildly exaggerated. Are there even 10,000 bicycle commuters in the entire city right now? What are the actual numbers? Regardless the idea that 25% of current Connecticut Avenue commuters will instanteously switch to bikes is not even close to being realistic.

Who is putting forth that assumption? Where is it stated?

Everyone who says this will reduce traffic. That is the amount of vehicles that would need to get off the road in order to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you wondering about emissions from passenger vehicles in DC, here are some stats.

Bottom line: passenger vehicles account for 16 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions. The main source of greenhouse gas emissions are commercial and residential buildings. So for those of you wanting greater density, maybe you want to think of the environmental impact.

Overall, transportation accounts for about 21 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions, but passengers vehicles only represent 79 percent of that 21 percent. That equates to 16 percent of the overall emissions. Buses, trucks and transit account for the rest of the transportation emissions.


Obviously, reducing passenger car track plays an important role, but the argument for that is not the flex you think it is. Particularly when commercial and residential buildings are actually the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions in DC.


https://doee.dc.gov/service/greenhouse-gas-inventories#:~:text=Emissions%20Sources%20in%20the%20District&text=In%20the%20District%2C%20emissions%20come,%25)%20and%20waste%20(7%25).

You don’t seem to understand that theses lanes will not result in fewer cars. It will only push cars onto other roads where they will increase pollution and decrease safety. Any reduction in cars will be because MD and NWDC drivers decide it’s no longer worth it to drive downtown, which raises serious economic concerns. The problem with young, childless elected officials making major decisions is that they don’t have the life experience to comprehend why most older professionals will reject the bike lanes. They haven’t received the mid-day call to pick up a sick child or have to leave work suddenly to meet a contractor or bring an aging parent to medical appointment. And yes, we get it that there are some hippie parents who are all about bike lanes, but they’re the small minority.

The results you are hypothesizing are not supported by facts, no matter how many times you try to assert them.

I am an older professional with children. These bike lanes will be a game changer for our household, in a good way. Please just stop with the doom and gloom. We will easily cut our driving by at least half.

You should read this. This is how these lanes play out in the real world, not in the bike industry paid studies. I wish you and you family good luck, you will need it.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2021/02/28/the-supposed-safe-feeling-of-protected-bike-lanes-is-misleading-even-deadly/

We will be vary happy to use our bikes to run errands, support our local businesses and get our kids to school safely. Thank you for the good wishes.

Not sure how you plan to bike home with your multiple bags of groceries, or how you plan to bike your multiple kids to their multiple schools with their backpack and sports equipment, followed of course biking them to their favorite sports practice elsewhere. Please enjoy!!

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We already do this, so it shouldn't be of any concern to you. We just want to be able to do it to the places we go more directly and safely than we do now.

Nice try, but I doubt it.

DP. I lived for years in Ward 3 doing all of this. It's really not that hard. Much easier if you have an e-bike (which I don't have).

e-Bikes are now selling electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids (https://electrek.co/2022/01/26/electric-bicycles-are-now-outselling-electric-cars-and-plug-in-hybrids-combined-in-the-us/). Things are changing, like it or not.

The vast majority of people are NOT going to give up their cars and you obsessive bike nuts are and will continue to be a loud minority,like it or not.

No one said a vast majority needs to. But, if enough of a minority do, then it frees up lanes for people to drive in and spaces for people to park in. No one has ever suggested that hundreds of thousands of people are going to suddenly switch to bikes or ebikes.

That is correct. Nobody has claimed hundreda of thousands are suddenly going to take up commuter bicycling if two lanes of Connecticut Aveneue are removes. They've only claimed ten thousand will.

Ten thousand people seems more realistic if it was flat. Going uphill after a long day of work seems challenging for a lot of people. I expect current cyclists will not give grace to people struggling uphill, though I could be wrong. The other bike lanes don't have room for passing.

Even if it was flat, which it is not, that would be wildly exaggerated. Are there even 10,000 bicycle commuters in the entire city right now? What are the actual numbers? Regardless the idea that 25% of current Connecticut Avenue commuters will instanteously switch to bikes is not even close to being realistic.

There are hundreds of thousands of bike riders. This isn't about commuting, particularly since more people are working from home. Why are you fixated on the commuting number when we should be looking at anticipated usage, which to date, DDOT hasn't estimated. Becuase the number would be too high.

You are including every single child with that figure. You are also including people who learned to bike but for various reasons don't. It is these outright falsehoods and exaggerations that frustrate people. The use of a Connecticut Avenue bike lane will be minimal. Access for pedestrians and bicyclists from the neighborhoods on the side streets is good and widely used. Children will not be using Connecticut Avenue to bike because congestion is too high.

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How many active regular bicycle commuters are there in DC? How many people bike, rather than drive, for 1 mile or greater transportation?

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Anonymous wrote:How many active regular bicycle commuters are there in DC? How many people bike, rather than drive, for 1 mile or greater transportation?

A few hundred. The number is tiny.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you wondering about emissions from passenger vehicles in DC, here are some stats.

Bottom line: passenger vehicles account for 16 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions. The main source of greenhouse gas emissions are commercial and residential buildings. So for those of you wanting greater density, maybe you want to think of the environmental impact.

Overall, transportation accounts for about 21 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions, but passengers vehicles only represent 79 percent of that 21 percent. That equates to 16 percent of the overall emissions. Buses, trucks and transit account for the rest of the transportation emissions.


Obviously, reducing passenger car track plays an important role, but the argument for that is not the flex you think it is. Particularly when commercial and residential buildings are actually the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions in DC.


https://doee.dc.gov/service/greenhouse-gas-inventories#:~:text=Emissions%20Sources%20in%20the%20District&text=In%20the%20District%2C%20emissions%20come,%25)%20and%20waste%20(7%25).

You don’t seem to understand that theses lanes will not result in fewer cars. It will only push cars onto other roads where they will increase pollution and decrease safety. Any reduction in cars will be because MD and NWDC drivers decide it’s no longer worth it to drive downtown, which raises serious economic concerns. The problem with young, childless elected officials making major decisions is that they don’t have the life experience to comprehend why most older professionals will reject the bike lanes. They haven’t received the mid-day call to pick up a sick child or have to leave work suddenly to meet a contractor or bring an aging parent to medical appointment. And yes, we get it that there are some hippie parents who are all about bike lanes, but they’re the small minority.

The results you are hypothesizing are not supported by facts, no matter how many times you try to assert them.

I am an older professional with children. These bike lanes will be a game changer for our household, in a good way. Please just stop with the doom and gloom. We will easily cut our driving by at least half.

You should read this. This is how these lanes play out in the real world, not in the bike industry paid studies. I wish you and you family good luck, you will need it.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2021/02/28/the-supposed-safe-feeling-of-protected-bike-lanes-is-misleading-even-deadly/

Yeh, reality sucks!

This is not reality, it is an opinion piece. From the link:

“ A cyclist on Leucadia Blvd suffered a much worse fate. A truck driver made a right turn in front of the rider, who was killed when he collided with the truck. The plastic pylons designed to protect the cyclist had the opposite effect; they prevented the truck driver from slowly moving towards the curb as he prepared to make that right turn onto Moonstone Court.”

The author give zero evidence that this wouldn’t have happened if the truck driver had been able to “slowly move toward the curb.” How would that have helped? The truck driver clearly didn’t see the cyclist, how would slowly squishing him instead of making a right turn into him have been a better death?

And yet you give zero evidence that it would not have made a difference. You need to think through your arguments better. DP.

I think the person citing this is “reality” should find better evidence if they want to say that an opinion piece is credible.

As proposed there are 75+ intersections along Connecticut Ave where cars will need to travel over the bike lanes. Sadly, we will have the data you need soon enough.

As it is, we have to deal with each of those intersections now, so the bike lanes will provide more surety as to who is where.

Right. But you don’t have 3000 bike users per day. Which is the DDOT “projection.” There will sadly be an accident each month. CT Ave is not the type of road meant for bike lanes. In legal speak this is an attractive nuisance. 3000 novice bikers crossing 75 intersections used by 30,000 commuters, tourists, delivery trucks and emergency vehicles. It’s an absolute recipe for disaster. Kids are going to get hit. Commuters are going to get hit. Everyone needs to wrap their arms around this and be ok with this as part of the greater good, I guess.

Kids are already getting hit.
Commuters are already getting hit.
Local residents are already getting hit.

They aren't going to get more hitter.

You do realize that DDOT has an active GIS system and no one is getting hit on upper CT avenue. Like absolutely no one.

Funny how you didn't actually, you know, LINK to the GIS data you reference: https://opendata.dc.gov/datasets/crashes-in-dc/explore?location=38.964382%2C-77.072868%2C17.00

Seems like, I dunno, a lot of incidents on upper Connecticut Avenue.

You may want to try looking at this one instead.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you wondering about emissions from passenger vehicles in DC, here are some stats.

Bottom line: passenger vehicles account for 16 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions. The main source of greenhouse gas emissions are commercial and residential buildings. So for those of you wanting greater density, maybe you want to think of the environmental impact.

Overall, transportation accounts for about 21 percent of DC's greenhouse gas emissions, but passengers vehicles only represent 79 percent of that 21 percent. That equates to 16 percent of the overall emissions. Buses, trucks and transit account for the rest of the transportation emissions.


Obviously, reducing passenger car track plays an important role, but the argument for that is not the flex you think it is. Particularly when commercial and residential buildings are actually the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions in DC.


https://doee.dc.gov/service/greenhouse-gas-inventories#:~:text=Emissions%20Sources%20in%20the%20District&text=In%20the%20District%2C%20emissions%20come,%25)%20and%20waste%20(7%25).

You don’t seem to understand that theses lanes will not result in fewer cars. It will only push cars onto other roads where they will increase pollution and decrease safety. Any reduction in cars will be because MD and NWDC drivers decide it’s no longer worth it to drive downtown, which raises serious economic concerns. The problem with young, childless elected officials making major decisions is that they don’t have the life experience to comprehend why most older professionals will reject the bike lanes. They haven’t received the mid-day call to pick up a sick child or have to leave work suddenly to meet a contractor or bring an aging parent to medical appointment. And yes, we get it that there are some hippie parents who are all about bike lanes, but they’re the small minority.

The results you are hypothesizing are not supported by facts, no matter how many times you try to assert them.

I am an older professional with children. These bike lanes will be a game changer for our household, in a good way. Please just stop with the doom and gloom. We will easily cut our driving by at least half.

You should read this. This is how these lanes play out in the real world, not in the bike industry paid studies. I wish you and you family good luck, you will need it.

https://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2021/02/28/the-supposed-safe-feeling-of-protected-bike-lanes-is-misleading-even-deadly/

Yeh, reality sucks!

This is not reality, it is an opinion piece. From the link:

“ A cyclist on Leucadia Blvd suffered a much worse fate. A truck driver made a right turn in front of the rider, who was killed when he collided with the truck. The plastic pylons designed to protect the cyclist had the opposite effect; they prevented the truck driver from slowly moving towards the curb as he prepared to make that right turn onto Moonstone Court.”

The author give zero evidence that this wouldn’t have happened if the truck driver had been able to “slowly move toward the curb.” How would that have helped? The truck driver clearly didn’t see the cyclist, how would slowly squishing him instead of making a right turn into him have been a better death?

And yet you give zero evidence that it would not have made a difference. You need to think through your arguments better. DP.

I think the person citing this is “reality” should find better evidence if they want to say that an opinion piece is credible.

As proposed there are 75+ intersections along Connecticut Ave where cars will need to travel over the bike lanes. Sadly, we will have the data you need soon enough.

As it is, we have to deal with each of those intersections now, so the bike lanes will provide more surety as to who is where.

Right. But you don’t have 3000 bike users per day. Which is the DDOT “projection.” There will sadly be an accident each month. CT Ave is not the type of road meant for bike lanes. In legal speak this is an attractive nuisance. 3000 novice bikers crossing 75 intersections used by 30,000 commuters, tourists, delivery trucks and emergency vehicles. It’s an absolute recipe for disaster. Kids are going to get hit. Commuters are going to get hit. Everyone needs to wrap their arms around this and be ok with this as part of the greater good, I guess.

Kids are already getting hit.
Commuters are already getting hit.
Local residents are already getting hit.

They aren't going to get more hitter.

You do realize that DDOT has an active GIS system and no one is getting hit on upper CT avenue. Like absolutely no one.

Funny how you didn't actually, you know, LINK to the GIS data you reference: https://opendata.dc.gov/datasets/crashes-in-dc/explore?location=38.964382%2C-77.072868%2C17.00

Seems like, I dunno, a lot of incidents on upper Connecticut Avenue.

You may want to try looking at this one instead.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

24 deaths out of tens of millions of trips. So, like being struck by lightening? I wish the city put this much effort into fighting violent crime.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many active regular bicycle commuters are there in DC? How many people bike, rather than drive, for 1 mile or greater transportation?

A few hundred. The number is tiny.

I'd give them a thousand maybe. But would like to hear from them. Without knowing that number the validity of the 3,000-10,000 range cannot be established

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Anonymous wrote:How many active regular bicycle commuters are there in DC? How many people bike, rather than drive, for 1 mile or greater transportation?

Based on data from the census bureau, it was 4 percent of commuters as of 2015. Bicycle commuters doubled between 2010 and 2015 and so the number is likely now much higher. As bicycle lanes are also used by scooters, one-wheels, electric wheelchairs, and other personal mobility devices, bicycle commuters are a subset of the number of potential users. Those who drove or rode a car to work made up about 40 percent of DC commuters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many active regular bicycle commuters are there in DC? How many people bike, rather than drive, for 1 mile or greater transportation?

Based on data from the census bureau, it was 4 percent of commuters as of 2015. Bicycle commuters doubled between 2010 and 2015 and so the number is likely now much higher. As bicycle lanes are also used by scooters, one-wheels, electric wheelchairs, and other personal mobility devices, bicycle commuters are a subset of the number of potential users. Those who drove or rode a car to work made up about 40 percent of DC commuters.

Please put numbers to your claims in order to compare like to like.

4% of 30,000 =1,200 for example.