DC Council votes to raise taxes on the “rich”

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Anonymous wrote:It’s sad that so many people who likely think of themselves as progressives are so out and out opposed to building an equitable society where people are much closer together in terms of their standards of living.

All of you hate the right wing, but you practically agree with them when it comes to “your” money. We’re never going to fix this country.

Posters like this continue to miss OP’s point. It’s about relative tax rates across states. Higher state taxes do nothing to achieve an “equitable” society! Are CA, NYC and Washington DC beacons for equitable society?

I’m agreed with OP. Can’t speak for him/her, but I’m actually fine with higher Federal tax rates (especially doing away with things like the carried interest loophole and increasing estate taxes etc). As a matter of public policy, those could achieve more equitable outcomes.

Higher DC taxes on the highest earners will only drive marginal net outmigration of the highest earners! You cannot achieve “equitable society” via state taxes.

But it is much more convenient for you to call names than it is to try and stretch your mind around concepts that are obviously a bit new to you.

OP has a particular hard-on for SALT deductions though, which is a federal issue.

It’s fine if this is how you feel, just don’t pretend to be progressive.

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Imagine if we someone tried to build a healthier society by lying to them about nutrition, exercise, stress etc?

So many lie about what it will take to build a better society. So many.

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Where do the homeless families go? This is a sincere question.

Thanks for the question. The best data seems to be that relatively few are on the streets. Many are in shelters or their cars. There is a highly politicized debate about how to count what I and other advocates would say are the majority, who couch surf (not always indoors, sometimes in a garage) among extended family and friends. Politicians, who want to say the numbers are small and decreasing do not like to count those families.

If you care about homeless, support development of more housing… across all price points. More supply is desperately needed.

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OP has a particular hard-on for SALT deductions though, which is a federal issue.

You are a moron. The issue is state taxes IN LIGHT OF the elimination of SALT above 10K.

[Anonymous]

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Where do the homeless families go? This is a sincere question.

Thanks for the question. The best data seems to be that relatively few are on the streets. Many are in shelters or their cars. There is a highly politicized debate about how to count what I and other advocates would say are the majority, who couch surf (not always indoors, sometimes in a garage) among extended family and friends. Politicians, who want to say the numbers are small and decreasing do not like to count those families.

If you care about homeless, support development of more housing… across all price points. More supply is desperately needed.

Thx for the answer.

Relying on extended family in hard times is traditional and has some advantages over more formal govt sponsored solutions. It is fast -- no application forms, no waiting. It is efficient -- doubles housing density.. It avoids moral hazard -- no one wants to stay in that situation any longer than they have to. Hope this did not sound cold or glib.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why Tony Williams, our best Mayor ever, would be against this tax? Hmm.

Because it’s money out of his pocket, and rich people don’t pay their fair share.

Too bad. Pay up.

Most rich people in fact do pay their fair share. That’s who the taxes come from now. Flat tax. 25% total from all.

The share of reported income earned by the top 1 percent of taxpayers fell slightly, to 20.9 percent in 2018 from 21 percent in 2017. Their share of federal individual income taxes rose by 1.6 percentage points to 40.1 percent.

Since 2001, the share of federal income taxes paid by the top 1 percent increased from 33.2 percent to a new high of 40.1 percent in 2018.

In 2018, the top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.1 percent of all individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.9 percent.

The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (40.1 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (28.6 percent).

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 25.4 percent average individual income tax rate, which is more than seven times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50 percent (3.4 percent).

First, those figures are highly suspect.

Secondly, if you earn a half million dollars a year and paid 40% of it taxes, you’re still clearing $275k a year after taxes. Compare that to someone making $35k a year, who might keep $25k after taxes.

See the problem now?


The person making $35k should not only pay zero in taxes, but should get an income supplement to bring them up to maybe $60k. And the person making $500k should be taxed to the point where they keep maybe $80-$90k after taxes. So they still earn more, but not vastly more, than others. This is how you eliminate wealth disparity in a society.

No, I don’t see the problem, and also you’re wrong that someone making $35k/yr is is paying that much in tax.

But anyway if you tax me that heavily I’m going to quit my high income job. It’s barely worth it at my current tax rate.

So? Quit your job. Who cares? Someone else, hopefully a BIPOC, will replace you. Win-win. If you want to act spitefully because you just can’t bear to help people with less privilege than you, than good riddance.

You don’t know anything about anything the persons race, how much they do for others, their level of “privilege” NOTHING and yet you post as such. You are the unwise and your pig headed prejudice is exactly what we need less of in the world.

Her post reeks of privilege. As does yours. You both sound like undercover trumpers, hoping to mouth the right words, but it’s clear you don’t even know the tune of the song.

PP - get your high school diploma. Then speak out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Where do the homeless families go? This is a sincere question.

Thanks for the question. The best data seems to be that relatively few are on the streets. Many are in shelters or their cars. There is a highly politicized debate about how to count what I and other advocates would say are the majority, who couch surf (not always indoors, sometimes in a garage) among extended family and friends. Politicians, who want to say the numbers are small and decreasing do not like to count those families.

If you care about homeless, support development of more housing… across all price points. More supply is desperately needed.

Thx for the answer.

Relying on extended family in hard times is traditional and has some advantages over more formal govt sponsored solutions. It is fast -- no application forms, no waiting. It is efficient -- doubles housing density.. It avoids moral hazard -- no one wants to stay in that situation any longer than they have to. Hope this did not sound cold or glib.

Agree - maybe housing subsidies and send them to live with family members. And frankly a non-trivial portion of DC's homeless aren't originally from DC to begin with - so why are they our burden? Send them back to their families and their hometowns.

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OP has a particular hard-on for SALT deductions though, which is a federal issue.

You are a moron. The issue is state taxes IN LIGHT OF the elimination of SALT above 10K.

How was Tucker’s show last night? You and OP sharing a ride to CPAC next year?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

OP has a particular hard-on for SALT deductions though, which is a federal issue.

You are a moron. The issue is state taxes IN LIGHT OF the elimination of SALT above 10K.

How was Tucker’s show last night? You and OP sharing a ride to CPAC next year?

as a dem, your arrogance is surprising to me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OP has a particular hard-on for SALT deductions though, which is a federal issue.

You are a moron. The issue is state taxes IN LIGHT OF the elimination of SALT above 10K.

How was Tucker’s show last night? You and OP sharing a ride to CPAC next year?

as a dem, your arrogance is surprising to me

Those of us actually on the left are sick and disgusted of dems like you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

OP has a particular hard-on for SALT deductions though, which is a federal issue.

You are a moron. The issue is state taxes IN LIGHT OF the elimination of SALT above 10K.

How was Tucker’s show last night? You and OP sharing a ride to CPAC next year?

Fox News LOVES the SALT cap because it mostly affects blue cities/ states

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OP is just like everyone else who pretends to be a liberal until it affects them.

This is such a garbage way of interacting. I’m pretending at something? How about we talk about the quality of ideas and thinking and leave the ad hominem attacks out of it. Or is it more important to you that you identify who is properly in your tribe or not?

I want this city to be attractive to top talent and top companies and to be high growth city. I also want the city to massively increase its housing stock and public transit, and not require parking spaces for new construction.

I want these things because there is competition among cities to attract the highest earners, who disproportionately fund public services. I want these things because homelessness is largely solvable.

I don’t really care about whether I satisfy your tribal labeling.

As others have noted, the claims this will do a damn thing for homelessness is contra to all the evidence all across the country. It will have a marginal impact on making the city even less attractive for high growth employers. That, in my view, is bad.

What is it that you are after? How do you want the city to become (even) better?

Lol. OP thinks conservative policies will make DC most attractive. I’m starting to think he can’t be for real.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OP has a particular hard-on for SALT deductions though, which is a federal issue.

You are a moron. The issue is state taxes IN LIGHT OF the elimination of SALT above 10K.

How was Tucker’s show last night? You and OP sharing a ride to CPAC next year?

as a dem, your arrogance is surprising to me

Those of us actually on the left are sick and disgusted of dems like you.

DP. True Dems want the smallest tent possible for their party, right? Because that’s the way to win elections!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OP has a particular hard-on for SALT deductions though, which is a federal issue.

You are a moron. The issue is state taxes IN LIGHT OF the elimination of SALT above 10K.

How was Tucker’s show last night? You and OP sharing a ride to CPAC next year?

as a dem, your arrogance is surprising to me

Those of us actually on the left are sick and disgusted of dems like you.

I am SO glad to hear you say this! One of your fellow liberals just suggested, on another thread, that Jews who voted for Trump should be murdered and turned into fertilizer. You seem to be one of the few who realize that this level of contempt for those who didn't vote for Biden is driving moderates AWAY from the Democrats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OP has a particular hard-on for SALT deductions though, which is a federal issue.

You are a moron. The issue is state taxes IN LIGHT OF the elimination of SALT above 10K.

How was Tucker’s show last night? You and OP sharing a ride to CPAC next year?

as a dem, your arrogance is surprising to me

Those of us actually on the left are sick and disgusted of dems like you.

I am SO glad to hear you say this! One of your fellow liberals just suggested, on another thread, that Jews who voted for Trump should be murdered and turned into fertilizer. You seem to be one of the few who realize that this level of contempt for those who didn't vote for Biden is driving moderates AWAY from the Democrats.

IDGAF about dems if they’re pursuing conservative policies.