APS - new CIP proposal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to explain to me why Carlin Springs can't handle a HS, yet S Walter Reed Dr can? What am I missing?

The issue is that the neighborhood is pinned in by geography, with the only ingress/egress being Carlin Springs Rd, because of the Nature Center and 4MR on one side and FFX county on the other. Then there are also 2 ES also located along this very busy road. In order for Kenmore to be a HS, they’d probably still have to have a MS, likely also located along the same road. So the Kenmore site really has to get access to 50 and/or roads to the W in FFX before they can approve a HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope you all are emailing Duran about this. There is every reason to think APS is going to spend all it's money on this project.

ROFL! Does anyone even read Engage emails?

APS is going to do what it wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS presented updated CIP plans for the Career Center tonight:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-05-24-WS-2-Inst-messages-FINAL.pdf

Tonight's work session is available for viewing here:
https://www.apsva.us/school-board-meetings/school-board-work-sessions-meetings/

The plan is a 1,700 seat building for the new Career Center:
- 450 middle school Arl Tech seats
- 950 high school Arl Tech seats (I think - this number isn't spelled out, but based on the total of 1,700)
- 300 part-time CTE seats (to accommodate 900 students from other high schools coming to CC for classes in three blocks)

Montessori gets a new building and grows to 775 seats (it's 460 now). All satellite preschool Montessori classes from around the County will move to the campus, as well as the middle school seats (which are now about 70 Gunston students).

Total students at the Career Center campus at any time will be 2,475.

Costs aren't broken down but total costs are estimated at $185 million.

My first reaction is that it's so many option seats. I hope families will apply for all these seats.

Does Arl Tech allow students to take the full range of AP classes, languages, etc?

LOL, the County needs 10 years to get Carlin Springs Road ready for Kenmore to be turned into a high school. And it sounds like APS and the County have taken zero steps toward this since this issue was discussed and debated in 2017 (52.30 minute mark).

I think it's a clever bit of politics. The neighborhood leaned on the fact that the existing transportation infrastructure couldn't support a high school there back in 2017, when really what they wanted was just to veto the whole project so they could stay zoned to W-L. Now APS is trying to get the county to just offer them transportation improvements, no strings attached. What neighborhood would refuse that? Then, when the project is complete, the neighborhood won't have that argument to fall back on to stop the high school from being built.

The immediate neighborhood is zoned Wakefield. But its northern neighbor neighborhood definitely wanted to stay at WL.

Incorrect. PUs N of Columbia Pike and W of the 4 Mile Run Trail are zoned to W-L.

Yup. Although it looks more like everything west of George Mason and north of the Pike: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Boundary-_Map_High_School_2021.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS presented updated CIP plans for the Career Center tonight:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-05-24-WS-2-Inst-messages-FINAL.pdf

Tonight's work session is available for viewing here:
https://www.apsva.us/school-board-meetings/school-board-work-sessions-meetings/

The plan is a 1,700 seat building for the new Career Center:
- 450 middle school Arl Tech seats
- 950 high school Arl Tech seats (I think - this number isn't spelled out, but based on the total of 1,700)
- 300 part-time CTE seats (to accommodate 900 students from other high schools coming to CC for classes in three blocks)

Montessori gets a new building and grows to 775 seats (it's 460 now). All satellite preschool Montessori classes from around the County will move to the campus, as well as the middle school seats (which are now about 70 Gunston students).

Total students at the Career Center campus at any time will be 2,475.

Costs aren't broken down but total costs are estimated at $185 million.

My first reaction is that it's so many option seats. I hope families will apply for all these seats.

Does Arl Tech allow students to take the full range of AP classes, languages, etc?

LOL, the County needs 10 years to get Carlin Springs Road ready for Kenmore to be turned into a high school. And it sounds like APS and the County have taken zero steps toward this since this issue was discussed and debated in 2017 (52.30 minute mark).

I think it's a clever bit of politics. The neighborhood leaned on the fact that the existing transportation infrastructure couldn't support a high school there back in 2017, when really what they wanted was just to veto the whole project so they could stay zoned to W-L. Now APS is trying to get the county to just offer them transportation improvements, no strings attached. What neighborhood would refuse that? Then, when the project is complete, the neighborhood won't have that argument to fall back on to stop the high school from being built.

The immediate neighborhood is zoned Wakefield. But its northern neighbor neighborhood definitely wanted to stay at WL.

Incorrect. PUs N of Columbia Pike and W of the 4 Mile Run Trail are zoned to W-L.

Yup. Although it looks more like everything west of George Mason and north of the Pike: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Boundary-_Map_High_School_2021.pdf

Sorry, PP here, I misread the map on my tiny phone screen. PPP was right about 4MR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ATS is on a huge plot of land. Actually, that would be a great place to build a middle school. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are. ATS is the new site for Key immersion program. But, that doesn't mean the facility can't be expanded to include the middle school immersion program.

Sorry. I was responding to the previous poster who had the idea of combining Key and Claremont, and moving it to a new campus. Or even ATS.

And yes to bringing at least the immersion middle school to this "immersion campus".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope you all are emailing Duran about this. There is every reason to think APS is going to spend all it's money on this project.

ROFL! Does anyone even read Engage emails?

APS is going to do what it wants.

+1

If you read between the lines of the Career Center After Action Analysis (Jan 14, 2021 slides) you can see APS just wants to ignore community input and do it their own way:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the *** does Montessori need another school? Both of our dual language programs are way over capacity (and now even more so, thanks school moves.) If there's anything that APS needs option-school wise, it's another elementary immersion program.

They shrunk both immersion programs to 96 K students this year. There were 8 Spanish speakers waitlisted at Key and none at Claremont. Claremont had a 91 person waitlist for English speakers and 33 at Key

So does that mean those 8 families at Key did or did not get in? What’s the likelihood of getting into immersion for Spanish speakers, and does it matter if you apply in K or 1st?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope you all are emailing Duran about this. There is every reason to think APS is going to spend all it's money on this project.

ROFL! Does anyone even read Engage emails?

APS is going to do what it wants.

+1

If you read between the lines of the Career Center After Action Analysis (Jan 14, 2021 slides) you can see APS just wants to ignore community input and do it their own way:

Frankly APS has wasted years at this point in planning for the Career Center and has gotten very little accomplished. Current Arlington Tech students are suffering, and we are way behind on capacity improvements. I think this plan looks wasteful and poorly thought out but APS needs to get moving on something or our kids will be seriously screwed when they get to high school. I'm already resigned to horrible overcrowding in middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS presented updated CIP plans for the Career Center tonight:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-05-24-WS-2-Inst-messages-FINAL.pdf

Tonight's work session is available for viewing here:
https://www.apsva.us/school-board-meetings/school-board-work-sessions-meetings/

The plan is a 1,700 seat building for the new Career Center:
- 450 middle school Arl Tech seats
- 950 high school Arl Tech seats (I think - this number isn't spelled out, but based on the total of 1,700)
- 300 part-time CTE seats (to accommodate 900 students from other high schools coming to CC for classes in three blocks)

Montessori gets a new building and grows to 775 seats (it's 460 now). All satellite preschool Montessori classes from around the County will move to the campus, as well as the middle school seats (which are now about 70 Gunston students).

Total students at the Career Center campus at any time will be 2,475.

Costs aren't broken down but total costs are estimated at $185 million.

My first reaction is that it's so many option seats. I hope families will apply for all these seats.

Does Arl Tech allow students to take the full range of AP classes, languages, etc?

LOL, the County needs 10 years to get Carlin Springs Road ready for Kenmore to be turned into a high school. And it sounds like APS and the County have taken zero steps toward this since this issue was discussed and debated in 2017 (52.30 minute mark).

I think it's a clever bit of politics. The neighborhood leaned on the fact that the existing transportation infrastructure couldn't support a high school there back in 2017, when really what they wanted was just to veto the whole project so they could stay zoned to W-L. Now APS is trying to get the county to just offer them transportation improvements, no strings attached. What neighborhood would refuse that? Then, when the project is complete, the neighborhood won't have that argument to fall back on to stop the high school from being built.

The immediate neighborhood is zoned Wakefield. But its northern neighbor neighborhood definitely wanted to stay at WL.

Incorrect. PUs N of Columbia Pike and W of the 4 Mile Run Trail are zoned to W-L.

Yup. Although it looks more like everything west of George Mason and north of the Pike: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Boundary-_Map_High_School_2021.pdf

Sorry, PP here, I misread the map on my tiny phone screen. PPP was right about 4MR.

Actually, it's not George Mason, it's the park, as Barcroft and South Arlington Forest are zoned to both Kenmore and Wakefield. The rest of Kenmore is zoned for WL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope you all are emailing Duran about this. There is every reason to think APS is going to spend all it's money on this project.

ROFL! Does anyone even read Engage emails?

APS is going to do what it wants.

+1

If you read between the lines of the Career Center After Action Analysis (Jan 14, 2021 slides) you can see APS just wants to ignore community input and do it their own way:

Frankly APS has wasted years at this point in planning for the Career Center and has gotten very little accomplished. Current Arlington Tech students are suffering, and we are way behind on capacity improvements. I think this plan looks wasteful and poorly thought out but APS needs to get moving on something or our kids will be seriously screwed when they get to high school. I'm already resigned to horrible overcrowding in middle school.

This plan doesn't help your HS kids. It doesn't add many HS seats. And are middle schools still overcrowded? Didn't we just open a new middle school like last year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS presented updated CIP plans for the Career Center tonight:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-05-24-WS-2-Inst-messages-FINAL.pdf

Tonight's work session is available for viewing here:
https://www.apsva.us/school-board-meetings/school-board-work-sessions-meetings/

The plan is a 1,700 seat building for the new Career Center:
- 450 middle school Arl Tech seats
- 950 high school Arl Tech seats (I think - this number isn't spelled out, but based on the total of 1,700)
- 300 part-time CTE seats (to accommodate 900 students from other high schools coming to CC for classes in three blocks)

Montessori gets a new building and grows to 775 seats (it's 460 now). All satellite preschool Montessori classes from around the County will move to the campus, as well as the middle school seats (which are now about 70 Gunston students).

Total students at the Career Center campus at any time will be 2,475.

Costs aren't broken down but total costs are estimated at $185 million.

My first reaction is that it's so many option seats. I hope families will apply for all these seats.

Does Arl Tech allow students to take the full range of AP classes, languages, etc?

LOL, the County needs 10 years to get Carlin Springs Road ready for Kenmore to be turned into a high school. And it sounds like APS and the County have taken zero steps toward this since this issue was discussed and debated in 2017 (52.30 minute mark).

I think it's a clever bit of politics. The neighborhood leaned on the fact that the existing transportation infrastructure couldn't support a high school there back in 2017, when really what they wanted was just to veto the whole project so they could stay zoned to W-L. Now APS is trying to get the county to just offer them transportation improvements, no strings attached. What neighborhood would refuse that? Then, when the project is complete, the neighborhood won't have that argument to fall back on to stop the high school from being built.

The immediate neighborhood is zoned Wakefield. But its northern neighbor neighborhood definitely wanted to stay at WL.

Incorrect. PUs N of Columbia Pike and W of the 4 Mile Run Trail are zoned to W-L.

Sorry - I was thinking we were talking about the Career Center site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS presented updated CIP plans for the Career Center tonight:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-05-24-WS-2-Inst-messages-FINAL.pdf

Tonight's work session is available for viewing here:
https://www.apsva.us/school-board-meetings/school-board-work-sessions-meetings/

The plan is a 1,700 seat building for the new Career Center:
- 450 middle school Arl Tech seats
- 950 high school Arl Tech seats (I think - this number isn't spelled out, but based on the total of 1,700)
- 300 part-time CTE seats (to accommodate 900 students from other high schools coming to CC for classes in three blocks)

Montessori gets a new building and grows to 775 seats (it's 460 now). All satellite preschool Montessori classes from around the County will move to the campus, as well as the middle school seats (which are now about 70 Gunston students).

Total students at the Career Center campus at any time will be 2,475.

Costs aren't broken down but total costs are estimated at $185 million.

My first reaction is that it's so many option seats. I hope families will apply for all these seats.

Does Arl Tech allow students to take the full range of AP classes, languages, etc?

LOL, the County needs 10 years to get Carlin Springs Road ready for Kenmore to be turned into a high school. And it sounds like APS and the County have taken zero steps toward this since this issue was discussed and debated in 2017 (52.30 minute mark).

I think it's a clever bit of politics. The neighborhood leaned on the fact that the existing transportation infrastructure couldn't support a high school there back in 2017, when really what they wanted was just to veto the whole project so they could stay zoned to W-L. Now APS is trying to get the county to just offer them transportation improvements, no strings attached. What neighborhood would refuse that? Then, when the project is complete, the neighborhood won't have that argument to fall back on to stop the high school from being built.

The immediate neighborhood is zoned Wakefield. But its northern neighbor neighborhood definitely wanted to stay at WL.

Incorrect. PUs N of Columbia Pike and W of the 4 Mile Run Trail are zoned to W-L.

Yup. Although it looks more like everything west of George Mason and north of the Pike: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Boundary-_Map_High_School_2021.pdf

No. Barcroft is west of George Mason but is zoned to Wakefield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope you all are emailing Duran about this. There is every reason to think APS is going to spend all it's money on this project.

ROFL! Does anyone even read Engage emails?

APS is going to do what it wants.

+1

If you read between the lines of the Career Center After Action Analysis (Jan 14, 2021 slides) you can see APS just wants to ignore community input and do it their own way:

Frankly APS has wasted years at this point in planning for the Career Center and has gotten very little accomplished. Current Arlington Tech students are suffering, and we are way behind on capacity improvements. I think this plan looks wasteful and poorly thought out but APS needs to get moving on something or our kids will be seriously screwed when they get to high school. I'm already resigned to horrible overcrowding in middle school.

This plan doesn't help your HS kids. It doesn't add many HS seats. And are middle schools still overcrowded? Didn't we just open a new middle school like last year?

Middle schools are set to be the most overcrowded by 2024. Read the PowerPoint. APS messed up big time when it scaled Hamm back from 1300 to 1000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope you all are emailing Duran about this. There is every reason to think APS is going to spend all it's money on this project.

ROFL! Does anyone even read Engage emails?

APS is going to do what it wants.

+1

If you read between the lines of the Career Center After Action Analysis (Jan 14, 2021 slides) you can see APS just wants to ignore community input and do it their own way:

Frankly APS has wasted years at this point in planning for the Career Center and has gotten very little accomplished. Current Arlington Tech students are suffering, and we are way behind on capacity improvements. I think this plan looks wasteful and poorly thought out but APS needs to get moving on something or our kids will be seriously screwed when they get to high school. I'm already resigned to horrible overcrowding in middle school.

This plan doesn't help your HS kids. It doesn't add many HS seats. And are middle schools still overcrowded? Didn't we just open a new middle school like last year?

Middle schools are set to be the most overcrowded by 2024. Read the PowerPoint. APS messed up big time when it scaled Hamm back from 1300 to 1000.

But isn't that still fixable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope you all are emailing Duran about this. There is every reason to think APS is going to spend all it's money on this project.

ROFL! Does anyone even read Engage emails?

APS is going to do what it wants.

+1

If you read between the lines of the Career Center After Action Analysis (Jan 14, 2021 slides) you can see APS just wants to ignore community input and do it their own way:

Frankly APS has wasted years at this point in planning for the Career Center and has gotten very little accomplished. Current Arlington Tech students are suffering, and we are way behind on capacity improvements. I think this plan looks wasteful and poorly thought out but APS needs to get moving on something or our kids will be seriously screwed when they get to high school. I'm already resigned to horrible overcrowding in middle school.

This plan doesn't help your HS kids. It doesn't add many HS seats. And are middle schools still overcrowded? Didn't we just open a new middle school like last year?

Middle schools are set to be the most overcrowded by 2024. Read the PowerPoint. APS messed up big time when it scaled Hamm back from 1300 to 1000.

But isn't that still fixable?

The addition is done, money is spent. It's fixable in that sure they could build ANOTHER addition. Or they could increase HB population, but they are counting on people to leave in disgust.