Why is Arlington so hot?

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Anonymous wrote:Some SAT score data sets for the schools debate since comparing Great Schools scores across state lines is pointless. The most recent data for all of these districts that’s broken down by school and demographics is from 2016. Compare Yorktown to a school with similarly priced houses and demographics like Whitman, which has a district that touches the DC line.

Fairfax Public Schools - Look up school and SAT scores are a sub-group under the test results tab.
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

Arlington Public Schools
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/1970/01/SAT-2016-Table-3.pdf

Montgomery County Public Schools - Page 14
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/16092...%20Participation%20Perform.pdf

I only see AP and SOL test scores for McLean. Maybe because I’m looking on my phone?

What’s the breakdown for SAT?

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Fixed MoCo SAT data link. Demographic breakdown on Page 14.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/160929%20SAT%20Exam%20Participation%20Perform.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington is hot because most families are priced out of McLean.

Arlington is more expensive than McLean you nitwit.

DP, but what are you smoking? Average sale of a SFH in McLean over the past 12 months was $1,350,000. In Arlington it was $995,500. Limit the sales to North Arlington and it's $1,146,540, still over $200K less.

Generally North Arlington and McLean have a fair amount in common, although North Arlington is more walkable and McLean has bigger houses and better schools. It also has fewer residents who start "look at me, can you believe it" posts than North Arlington.

DP. Average price per sq. ft. is higher in Arlington than in McLean. McLean has larger lots so they have bigger houses, but it costs more to buy the same house in Arlington than it does in McLean.

I usually see people asking here where they should look based on their housing budget, not the price per square foot. On average people spend more to live in McLean than in Arlington (or North Arlington).

But if they want to buy the same thing for less, they move to McLean.

Theoretically, although the “same thing” usually doesn’t get built on larger lots. Another reason why the properties on average cost less in Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington is hot because most families are priced out of McLean.

Arlington is more expensive than McLean you nitwit.

DP, but what are you smoking? Average sale of a SFH in McLean over the past 12 months was $1,350,000. In Arlington it was $995,500. Limit the sales to North Arlington and it's $1,146,540, still over $200K less.

Generally North Arlington and McLean have a fair amount in common, although North Arlington is more walkable and McLean has bigger houses and better schools. It also has fewer residents who start "look at me, can you believe it" posts than North Arlington.

DP. Average price per sq. ft. is higher in Arlington than in McLean. McLean has larger lots so they have bigger houses, but it costs more to buy the same house in Arlington than it does in McLean.

I usually see people asking here where they should look based on their housing budget, not the price per square foot. On average people spend more to live in McLean than in Arlington (or North Arlington).

But if they want to buy the same thing for less, they move to McLean.

Theoretically, although the “same thing” usually doesn’t get built on larger lots. Another reason why the properties on average cost less in Arlington.

If we are comparing apples to apples, a house would cost less in McLean.

People have different sets of criteria though when choosing a neighborhood/town. Obviously, people in Arlington prioritize different things than those in McLean so not sure why it’s worth comparing.

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Yorktown vs Whitman SAT data for those that don’t want to do the research and comb through data.

Yorktown
Asian = 1786
Black = 1506
Hispanic = 1610
White = 1788

Whitman
Asian = 1901
Black = 1561
Hispanic = 1827
White = 1917

Whitman like Yorktown is within the Beltway and close to DC. Housing prices are demographics are similar.

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Anonymous wrote:Yorktown vs Whitman SAT data for those that don’t want to do the research and comb through data.

Yorktown
Asian = 1786
Black = 1506
Hispanic = 1610
White = 1788

Whitman
Asian = 1901
Black = 1561
Hispanic = 1827
White = 1917

Whitman like Yorktown is within the Beltway and close to DC. Housing prices are demographics are similar.

That can’t be recent data, since the College Board reverted from a three-part SAT to a two-part test years ago. But everyone knows neither Yorktown nor any other high school in APS is on par with Whitman.

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Anonymous wrote:Yorktown vs Whitman SAT data for those that don’t want to do the research and comb through data.

Yorktown
Asian = 1786
Black = 1506
Hispanic = 1610
White = 1788

Whitman
Asian = 1901
Black = 1561
Hispanic = 1827
White = 1917

Whitman like Yorktown is within the Beltway and close to DC. Housing prices are demographics are similar.

I was looking at W-L data since that is more popular than YHS. It’s also 34% FARMS. How about Whitman?

W-L
Asian 1582
Black 1523
Hispanic 1442
White 1856

Did you find the breakdown by FARM vs non-FARM scores?

There are unique populations in Arlington that make even comparing by “race” less meaningful.

SES would make more sense.

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I live in N Arlington and I don’t find it friendly at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Yorktown vs Whitman SAT data for those that don’t want to do the research and comb through data.

Yorktown
Asian = 1786
Black = 1506
Hispanic = 1610
White = 1788

Whitman
Asian = 1901
Black = 1561
Hispanic = 1827
White = 1917

Whitman like Yorktown is within the Beltway and close to DC. Housing prices are demographics are similar.

That can’t be recent data, since the College Board reverted from a three-part SAT to a two-part test years ago. But everyone knows neither Yorktown nor any other high school in APS is on par with Whitman.

Yes, there are more rich white & Asian students in Bethesda with the corresponding SAT scores. No one is debating that.

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Anonymous wrote:Yorktown vs Whitman SAT data for those that don’t want to do the research and comb through data.

Yorktown
Asian = 1786
Black = 1506
Hispanic = 1610
White = 1788

Whitman
Asian = 1901
Black = 1561
Hispanic = 1827
White = 1917

Whitman like Yorktown is within the Beltway and close to DC. Housing prices are demographics are similar.

That can’t be recent data, since the College Board reverted from a three-part SAT to a two-part test years ago. But everyone knows neither Yorktown nor any other high school in APS is on par with Whitman.

Yes, there are more rich white & Asian students in Bethesda with the corresponding SAT scores. No one is debating that.

Not PP. but the scores for blacks and Hispanics is also higher at Whitman no?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a good enclave for white people who like diversity in theory and in the abstract but not in real life.

North Arlington is the whitest place in the dmv.
It is the capitol of liberals who live the exact opposite of what they espouse.
There is zero diversity, inclusion or interest in lower income or minorities anywhere near their bubble of white solitude.

Have you been there?

North Arlington is everything north of Rt 50. There are more rich, white people above Rt 50 than below, but overall it’s certainly NOT the whitest place in the DC area. There are multiple affordable housing units and lower-cost apartment buildings. There is even a Title I ES.

North Arlington in practice is everything north of 66. No one near seven corners or the cathedral can really think they are in N Arlington.

North Arlington = North of 50

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington is hot because it's a short drive to DC ( 20 minutes for me to drive), plus you can have a SFH with a yard, good schools that aren't overly snobby, and low crime. People like to hate on the schools but they are far better than the public schools I grew up with. Falls Church is just too far for people who actually need to be in DC and don't want to spend their time commuting.

Falls Church is far? How long can it possibly take to commute to Capital Hill when it’s right next to Arlington ?

It’s an extra 15-20 min compared to closer-in Arlington. And the roads are all slow - lots of congestion and lights.

Just for the record, this is simply not true. I have commuted via car from several locations in FC to DC every day (Pre-COVID) for 20 years. ALL the traffic is in close-in Arlington/DC (bridges, DUH), except maybe PM traffic on the 50 corridor outside of 7 Corners.

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2020 data from US News & World Report

% economically disadvantaged

Whitman 2%
YHS 13%
W-L 32%

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington is hot because it's a short drive to DC ( 20 minutes for me to drive), plus you can have a SFH with a yard, good schools that aren't overly snobby, and low crime. People like to hate on the schools but they are far better than the public schools I grew up with. Falls Church is just too far for people who actually need to be in DC and don't want to spend their time commuting.

Falls Church is far? How long can it possibly take to commute to Capital Hill when it’s right next to Arlington ?

It’s an extra 15-20 min compared to closer-in Arlington. And the roads are all slow - lots of congestion and lights.

Just for the record, this is simply not true. I have commuted via car from several locations in FC to DC every day (Pre-COVID) for 20 years. ALL the traffic is in close-in Arlington/DC (bridges, DUH), except maybe PM traffic on the 50 corridor outside of 7 Corners.

I lived in FCC and also EFC for several years and now live closer-in (Courthouse). My closer commute has cut off 15 min or even more on the tough days.

I took Wash Blvd/Lee Hwy to Key Bridge.

[Anonymous]

You couldn’t pay me to live in Arlington again. The fact there’s a housing bubble all over the country and people there somehow think it’s about them just sums the place up perfectly.