MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

That might be true for older kids, but this kid is 5. He should be supervised at all times.

And even if he displayed poor judgment by leaving -- he is, after all, 5, and 5 year olds have poor judgment and limited impulse control -- that's still no excuse for the officers to yell and threaten him.

Nah, barring no special needs, five year olds know they shouldn’t leave a classroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

he didn’t elope, he wandered off. He was literally 1 minute from school.

He is 5.

T
You are an example of somebody so set on defending cops that your brain has fallen out of your skull.

How can you determine that he wandered off? The kindergarten rooms in that building aren’t near the street. That is quite a way to wander off unintentionally.

I’m assuming the school called the police once the child stepped off of school property. District policy.

LOL. Get a life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disturbing. Let's hope that fact finding is happening in a real way so that any adult is held to task for this child.

This child is in need of care and comfort. I hope that Child Services is involved and taking a hard look at home life as well.

Based on these facts, there is no reason whatsoever for Child Services to be “taking a hard look at home life.” Invoking CPS as a tool to intimidate non-white parents is some really classless behavior, fellow poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

That might be true for older kids, but this kid is 5. He should be supervised at all times.

And even if he displayed poor judgment by leaving -- he is, after all, 5, and 5 year olds have poor judgment and limited impulse control -- that's still no excuse for the officers to yell and threaten him.

Nah, barring no special needs, five year olds know they shouldn’t leave a classroom.

"He's no angel." - weirdo DCUM poster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disturbing. Let's hope that fact finding is happening in a real way so that any adult is held to task for this child.

This child is in need of care and comfort. I hope that Child Services is involved and taking a hard look at home life as well.

Based on these facts, there is no reason whatsoever for Child Services to be “taking a hard look at home life.” Invoking CPS as a tool to intimidate non-white parents is some really classless behavior, fellow poster.

We don't know the race of the child but if anything the school should be doing a 504 or IEP (and they may have) with an evaluation or the parent should be getting an outside behavior. CPS isn't there to intimidate parents. You have good workers and bad ones. They don't want to be in your life any more than you want them there.

But, eloping from school is not normal in a 5 year old. Usually when this happens its ASD/ADHD or something else undiagnosed or bullying or something else bad happening in that school. It may or may not have to do with the home life but parent needs to figure it out and if the school is the issue get that child out of there and into a better school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Separate from the police I can’t believe people are focusing on the five year old leaving rather than the grown adults not supervising him well enough (this making it possible for all of this to happen.) if this happened with your child snd a babysitter would you be focused on the “misbehavior” or the appalling incompetence of the adult?

By age 5, my kids were playing on unfenced playgrounds, or playgrounds with gaps in fencing (this includes every public school playground in my area) without me watching them every second, with me, with babysitters, and at school. They were never there alone. There was always an adult close enough to hear them if they called for help, but that adult might be monitoring other children. If my kid walked off the playground while I was pushing his toddler sibling in the swing, I would absolutely have considered that "misbehavior".

Public school playgrounds are supervised, at best, with an adult per class. More likely you've got 2 adults with 100 kindergarteners. It's easy to imagine a kid walking off a playground, an adult seeing him, heading towards him, but he's turned a corner before the adult gets to him. That's probably what happened here, given that they noticed, called police, and provided a description that allowed a police officer to find him before the kid got 1/4 mile.

That's not appalling incompetence on the part of adults. If you think that kindergarteners should be in fenced playgrounds, then advocate for that. Or advocate for different staffing ratios. But recognize that with current (non-covid) staff ratios and playground set ups, this can happen.

You’re nuts. Yes it’s possible there is a behavioral or other issue with this child but he is FIVE and the adults failed completely. By your logic a preschool teacher could have an open bottle of antifreeze out and if a child drank it it would be primarily a behavior issue. That’s crazy and you are clearly in the minority.

No, people are saying that we need to hear and see both sides, especially the video before jumping to conclusions. But there is more going on with that child/family as 5 year olds don't just leave school.

Again, separate from police I look forward to hearing the rebuttal to the controversial “five year olds shouldn’t be allowed to leave school on a walkabout” take.

Teachers are not allowed to restrain/stop students but this doesn't make a lot of sense.

I like this image of a juggernaut of a five year old who can’t be stopped by multiple grown adults and multiple doors. Guess it was unavoidable.

Easy to say that when you have never been in that situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can somebody explain why they are so upset about him being placed in a police car and driven back to school?

He was 5. He had walked less than a quarter mile from school. An appropriate response would have been to take his hand and walk him back to school. Instead they screamed at him, terrified him, and treated him like a criminal.

He was 5.

I worked in an ES with a program for students with emotional disturbance, and we often had children who eloped. Never, EVER was a child treated like this. These officers should absolutely be fired. You don’t need special training to know not to tear a 5 year old like this!!! What is wrong with people who are defending this??!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another ESS mom here. I hope this story goes national as an undeniable example of racism and police brutality. A 5 year old verbally assaulted and traumatized for 50 minutes. Yes I’m making assumptions about race but I have a student in this grade and believe I do know the family. Absolutely unacceptable.

This is why we have all the race problems. White is bad and always to blame. We don't know the entire situation in less you are going to tell us what happens din that grade or school but if this is happening you may want to pull your child from that school as something doesn't sound right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disturbing. Let's hope that fact finding is happening in a real way so that any adult is held to task for this child.

This child is in need of care and comfort. I hope that Child Services is involved and taking a hard look at home life as well.

Based on these facts, there is no reason whatsoever for Child Services to be “taking a hard look at home life.” Invoking CPS as a tool to intimidate non-white parents is some really classless behavior, fellow poster.

We don't know the race of the child but if anything the school should be doing a 504 or IEP (and they may have) with an evaluation or the parent should be getting an outside behavior. CPS isn't there to intimidate parents. You have good workers and bad ones. They don't want to be in your life any more than you want them there.

But, eloping from school is not normal in a 5 year old. Usually when this happens its ASD/ADHD or something else undiagnosed or bullying or something else bad happening in that school. It may or may not have to do with the home life but parent needs to figure it out and if the school is the issue get that child out of there and into a better school.

JFC. The child was verbally assaulted for 50 MINUTES by law enforcement, some of the abuse on public school grounds. The county failed this child on so many levels. Why would any parent in their right mind want another agency involved?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another ESS mom here. I hope this story goes national as an undeniable example of racism and police brutality. A 5 year old verbally assaulted and traumatized for 50 minutes. Yes I’m making assumptions about race but I have a student in this grade and believe I do know the family. Absolutely unacceptable.

This is why we have all the race problems. White is bad and always to blame. We don't know the entire situation in less you are going to tell us what happens din that grade or school but if this is happening you may want to pull your child from that school as something doesn't sound right.

Walk me through a scenario where the body cam documentation of verbal abuse to this child is justified.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bye bye SROs.

Easy answer.., no police SROs in school... replace them with trained psychologists!

But these weren’t SROs, right? I think they would be more equipped to handle something like this.

At least one either currently is or has been an SRO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

he didn’t elope, he wandered off. He was literally 1 minute from school.

He is 5.

T
You are an example of somebody so set on defending cops that your brain has fallen out of your skull.

How can you determine that he wandered off? The kindergarten rooms in that building aren’t near the street. That is quite a way to wander off unintentionally.

I’m assuming the school called the police once the child stepped off of school property. District policy.

LOL. Get a life.

Enjoying mine, thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. SRO’s are human and make the same mistakes as the rest of us. This kid must have resisted in every way possible, leaving the officer few options. But obviously he lost his cool and should know better. The kid belongs in a locked facility though.

These were not SROs. I think that distinction is incredibly important. They are patrol officers. And if you get rid of SROs, you'll have patrol officers responding to the schools. Most of the time that will be fine. But this incident sounds really bad.....

Wrong 1 was an SRO.

[Anonymous]

Is this PP harping on "special needs" a police officer? A family member of one of the officers? Posters are repeatedly asking you why you think it's appropriate to cuff a kid and tell him his mom should whoop his @ass.

There are a lot of weird angles floating around in this thread.

FWIW I don't know the race of the student, but at least one of the officers is POC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

That might be true for older kids, but this kid is 5. He should be supervised at all times.

And even if he displayed poor judgment by leaving -- he is, after all, 5, and 5 year olds have poor judgment and limited impulse control -- that's still no excuse for the officers to yell and threaten him.

Nah, barring no special needs, five year olds know they shouldn’t leave a classroom.

"He's no angel." - weirdo DCUM poster

Name calling, are you the kid’s parent or lawyer? You’re posting throughout this thread as if it’s personal to you.