Is it time to break into smaller school districts in MoCo

[Anonymous]

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Yeah, by doing the same small loop at 7, 8 and 9 am each day. Or by doing the 5-10 mile diversity bus on 495 and 270 at 15 mph once.

Pls tell em you don’t have an actual day job with any planning or logistics.

Have you ever looked at the bus routes? You can't now, because they took down the 2019-20 bus routes and haven't put up the 2020-21 bus routes yet, but when they do put them up, I suggest you take a look. It's eye-opening.

Have you ever driven around MoCo at 8:30am or 4-5pm? Try it. It’s insufferable, but oh so eye opening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta get the poors their own district.

This is absolutely, 100% what this is about.

How does a north/south divide keep the poors in their own district when the southern district would include Bethesda and Potomac?

In my (admittedly-limited) experience, people in Bethesda and Potomac don't think of the east county as southern Montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

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Yeah, by doing the same small loop at 7, 8 and 9 am each day. Or by doing the 5-10 mile diversity bus on 495 and 270 at 15 mph once.

Pls tell em you don’t have an actual day job with any planning or logistics.

Have you ever looked at the bus routes? You can't now, because they took down the 2019-20 bus routes and haven't put up the 2020-21 bus routes yet, but when they do put them up, I suggest you take a look. It's eye-opening.

Have you ever driven around MoCo at 8:30am or 4-5pm? Try it. It’s insufferable, but oh so eye opening.

MCPS bus drivers do this every school day.

[Anonymous]

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That’s OPs point: huge county level public school districts are highly ineffective and worse. Township model is better.

500 sq miles
220 schools
160,000 students
600-800 students per MS and HS grade
Biggest employer in the county
5 weather zones
Takes 90 minutes to drive across in rush hour

DCPS is the real turnaround story since 2004. charter school success, NW DC schools kicking @$$ academically and athletically, free PK for all for decades, everyone walks to school, strong Pk-8 curriculum, great ECs in ES. Only downside is the $2k per kid pta fees for non title 1 schools since DC doesn’t give those schools much of the kitty.

Township models are only better when the community is wealthy and can pay high taxes. Look at Fairfield County CT...Fabulous town based schools unless you live in Bridgeport which is high poverty low tax base.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, pandemic killing close to 200K, raging wildfires, economic downturn, forced sterilization allegations---but let's use all of our limited energey on this!!!!!

Yes, PP, life must go on. Should we just give up on everything else? I mean the BOE is also moving on. They don't only talk about the pandemic in their meetings. They are looking towards the future, too.

That's not what I said. Where do you see "giving up"? I am saying that there are bigger fish to fry right now. People who could use your help. But you are likely too self centered to care

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, pandemic killing close to 200K, raging wildfires, economic downturn, forced sterilization allegations---but let's use all of our limited energey on this!!!!!

Yes, PP, life must go on. Should we just give up on everything else? I mean the BOE is also moving on. They don't only talk about the pandemic in their meetings. They are looking towards the future, too.

That's not what I said. Where do you see "giving up"? I am saying that there are bigger fish to fry right now. People who could use your help. But you are likely too self centered to care

What should I do about the fires in OR? I believe in climate change and try to vote accordingly.

I can't do much about things not in my immediate control, but I can advocate for changes in my local area.

Sh1t happens all over the world everyday. That does not mea that I should ignore the things happening in my community even though they may not be as life threatening as things that happen in war torn countries.

[Anonymous]

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Nothing happened in MKE.

Someone is conflating the City of Milwaukee public schools district with the town districts throughout Milwaukee county. Property tax rates per $100 of home value are indeed high in Milwaukee and Chicago.

Many many states do not do the asinine huge 500k-5 million+ population county thing for the school district level. That doesn’t serve anyone well and results in $$$$ billion mismanaged budgets and one size fits all curriculum fails. Too many students, too many admins, too many teachers, too many zip codes, too many cities/villages, too many square miles, to many dollars flying around.

OK, but Maryland does, and MCPS is in Maryland.

That’s OPs point: huge county level public school districts are highly ineffective and worse. Township model is better.

500 sq miles
220 schools
160,000 students
600-800 students per MS and HS grade
Biggest employer in the county
5 weather zones
Takes 90 minutes to drive across in rush hour

DCPS is the real turnaround story since 2004. charter school success, NW DC schools kicking @$$ academically and athletically, free PK for all for decades, everyone walks to school, strong Pk-8 curriculum, great ECs in ES. Only downside is the $2k per kid pta fees for non title 1 schools since DC doesn’t give those schools much of the kitty.

LOL
What DCPS turnaround you're talking about?

DCPS is a turnaround story. Michelle Rhee successfully broke the Teacher’s union, awarded more pay for better teacher performance, fired poor performing principals, lotteried off the extra seats in schools that we’re not at full capacity in places like Cleveland Park (because those kids attend privates). After she left, her lieutenant, Kaya Henderson continued with these reforms for many, many years. DC also allowed charter schools which gave parents a choice.

+1000

Meanwhile MCPS 2011 onward:
Paid itself to make the failed k-8 Curriculum 2.0
Ramped up MAP and Pearson annual testing
Got rid of finals in HS
Rounded grades for MS and HS
New cohort driver to go to Center for Excellence (fka Gifted centers)
50% of students test below grade level in math and reading
Scrapped discipline for restorative justice conversations
30 mins a week gym class (national minimum, DCPS has 3 PE/week for ES)
Made 90 min blocks of reading and math by getting rid art, PE, music frequency
Severely overcrowded schools with trailer classrooms

Meanwhile DCPS 2011 onward:

90% of the students test below grade level in math and reading
Over 50% of HS graduates can't read
0ver 75% of HS graduates can't do basic math
No discipline whatsoever
Truancy is rampant.
No gifted programs .
It's McDonald's or jail for the vast majority.

[Anonymous]

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Nothing happened in MKE.

Someone is conflating the City of Milwaukee public schools district with the town districts throughout Milwaukee county. Property tax rates per $100 of home value are indeed high in Milwaukee and Chicago.

Many many states do not do the asinine huge 500k-5 million+ population county thing for the school district level. That doesn’t serve anyone well and results in $$$$ billion mismanaged budgets and one size fits all curriculum fails. Too many students, too many admins, too many teachers, too many zip codes, too many cities/villages, too many square miles, to many dollars flying around.

OK, but Maryland does, and MCPS is in Maryland.

That’s OPs point: huge county level public school districts are highly ineffective and worse. Township model is better.

500 sq miles
220 schools
160,000 students
600-800 students per MS and HS grade
Biggest employer in the county
5 weather zones
Takes 90 minutes to drive across in rush hour

DCPS is the real turnaround story since 2004. charter school success, NW DC schools kicking @$$ academically and athletically, free PK for all for decades, everyone walks to school, strong Pk-8 curriculum, great ECs in ES. Only downside is the $2k per kid pta fees for non title 1 schools since DC doesn’t give those schools much of the kitty.

LOL
What DCPS turnaround you're talking about?

DCPS is a turnaround story. Michelle Rhee successfully broke the Teacher’s union, awarded more pay for better teacher performance, fired poor performing principals, lotteried off the extra seats in schools that we’re not at full capacity in places like Cleveland Park (because those kids attend privates). After she left, her lieutenant, Kaya Henderson continued with these reforms for many, many years. DC also allowed charter schools which gave parents a choice.

+1000

Meanwhile MCPS 2011 onward:
Paid itself to make the failed k-8 Curriculum 2.0
Ramped up MAP and Pearson annual testing
Got rid of finals in HS
Rounded grades for MS and HS
New cohort driver to go to Center for Excellence (fka Gifted centers)
50% of students test below grade level in math and reading
Scrapped discipline for restorative justice conversations
30 mins a week gym class (national minimum, DCPS has 3 PE/week for ES)
Made 90 min blocks of reading and math by getting rid art, PE, music frequency
Severely overcrowded schools with trailer classrooms

Meanwhile DCPS 2011 onward:

90% of the students test below grade level in math and reading
Over 50% of HS graduates can't read
0ver 75% of HS graduates can't do basic math
No discipline whatsoever
Truancy is rampant.
No gifted programs .
It's McDonald's or jail for the vast majority.

But but Michelle Rhee!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yeah, by doing the same small loop at 7, 8 and 9 am each day. Or by doing the 5-10 mile diversity bus on 495 and 270 at 15 mph once.

Pls tell em you don’t have an actual day job with any planning or logistics.

Have you ever looked at the bus routes? You can't now, because they took down the 2019-20 bus routes and haven't put up the 2020-21 bus routes yet, but when they do put them up, I suggest you take a look. It's eye-opening.

Have you ever driven around MoCo at 8:30am or 4-5pm? Try it. It’s insufferable, but oh so eye opening.

MCPS bus drivers do this every school day.

Boy are you dense. Are you the bright eyed doe who recommended the bus route to be Wheaton/silver spring kids who are 1-3 grades behind be bussed to Potomac schools an hour away with the kids 1-3 grade levels ahead and watch the magic happen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Nothing happened in MKE.

Someone is conflating the City of Milwaukee public schools district with the town districts throughout Milwaukee county. Property tax rates per $100 of home value are indeed high in Milwaukee and Chicago.

Many many states do not do the asinine huge 500k-5 million+ population county thing for the school district level. That doesn’t serve anyone well and results in $$$$ billion mismanaged budgets and one size fits all curriculum fails. Too many students, too many admins, too many teachers, too many zip codes, too many cities/villages, too many square miles, to many dollars flying around.

OK, but Maryland does, and MCPS is in Maryland.

That’s OPs point: huge county level public school districts are highly ineffective and worse. Township model is better.

500 sq miles
220 schools
160,000 students
600-800 students per MS and HS grade
Biggest employer in the county
5 weather zones
Takes 90 minutes to drive across in rush hour

DCPS is the real turnaround story since 2004. charter school success, NW DC schools kicking @$$ academically and athletically, free PK for all for decades, everyone walks to school, strong Pk-8 curriculum, great ECs in ES. Only downside is the $2k per kid pta fees for non title 1 schools since DC doesn’t give those schools much of the kitty.

LOL
What DCPS turnaround you're talking about?

DCPS is a turnaround story. Michelle Rhee successfully broke the Teacher’s union, awarded more pay for better teacher performance, fired poor performing principals, lotteried off the extra seats in schools that we’re not at full capacity in places like Cleveland Park (because those kids attend privates). After she left, her lieutenant, Kaya Henderson continued with these reforms for many, many years. DC also allowed charter schools which gave parents a choice.

+1000

Meanwhile MCPS 2011 onward:
Paid itself to make the failed k-8 Curriculum 2.0
Ramped up MAP and Pearson annual testing
Got rid of finals in HS
Rounded grades for MS and HS
New cohort driver to go to Center for Excellence (fka Gifted centers)
50% of students test below grade level in math and reading
Scrapped discipline for restorative justice conversations
30 mins a week gym class (national minimum, DCPS has 3 PE/week for ES)
Made 90 min blocks of reading and math by getting rid art, PE, music frequency
Severely overcrowded schools with trailer classrooms

Meanwhile DCPS 2011 onward:

90% of the students test below grade level in math and reading
Over 50% of HS graduates can't read
0ver 75% of HS graduates can't do basic math
No discipline whatsoever
Truancy is rampant.
No gifted programs .
It's McDonald's or jail for the vast majority.

That’s all false, get the update. And it’s Yale or jail. Plus all the free GW, AU, Gtown college course you can take for free and for credit if you’re gifted. What does mcps do, send you to moco community college?

Dcps is the same barbell as MCPS: tons of good performing students, and tons of terrible performing students. But mcps really takes the cake for self-imposed destruction of the whole system for everybody. Dcps doesn’t do that.

And why does mcps only have even gifted programs or magnets seats for 1% of its students and not 4-5% like other districts in VA, NY, ma, etc. Must not have enough talented students that need a bigger challenge, right?

[Anonymous]

MCPS blows. It was once a good school district. It is no longer.

[Anonymous]

No. You guys just want all the rich white people in one school district and all of the poor people in another one. Not happenin' captain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Nothing happened in MKE.

Someone is conflating the City of Milwaukee public schools district with the town districts throughout Milwaukee county. Property tax rates per $100 of home value are indeed high in Milwaukee and Chicago.

Many many states do not do the asinine huge 500k-5 million+ population county thing for the school district level. That doesn’t serve anyone well and results in $$$$ billion mismanaged budgets and one size fits all curriculum fails. Too many students, too many admins, too many teachers, too many zip codes, too many cities/villages, too many square miles, to many dollars flying around.

OK, but Maryland does, and MCPS is in Maryland.

That’s OPs point: huge county level public school districts are highly ineffective and worse. Township model is better.

500 sq miles
220 schools
160,000 students
600-800 students per MS and HS grade
Biggest employer in the county
5 weather zones
Takes 90 minutes to drive across in rush hour

DCPS is the real turnaround story since 2004. charter school success, NW DC schools kicking @$$ academically and athletically, free PK for all for decades, everyone walks to school, strong Pk-8 curriculum, great ECs in ES. Only downside is the $2k per kid pta fees for non title 1 schools since DC doesn’t give those schools much of the kitty.

LOL
What DCPS turnaround you're talking about?

DCPS is a turnaround story. Michelle Rhee successfully broke the Teacher’s union, awarded more pay for better teacher performance, fired poor performing principals, lotteried off the extra seats in schools that we’re not at full capacity in places like Cleveland Park (because those kids attend privates). After she left, her lieutenant, Kaya Henderson continued with these reforms for many, many years. DC also allowed charter schools which gave parents a choice.

+1000

Meanwhile MCPS 2011 onward:
Paid itself to make the failed k-8 Curriculum 2.0
Ramped up MAP and Pearson annual testing
Got rid of finals in HS
Rounded grades for MS and HS
New cohort driver to go to Center for Excellence (fka Gifted centers)
50% of students test below grade level in math and reading
Scrapped discipline for restorative justice conversations
30 mins a week gym class (national minimum, DCPS has 3 PE/week for ES)
Made 90 min blocks of reading and math by getting rid art, PE, music frequency
Severely overcrowded schools with trailer classrooms

Meanwhile DCPS 2011 onward:

90% of the students test below grade level in math and reading
Over 50% of HS graduates can't read
0ver 75% of HS graduates can't do basic math
No discipline whatsoever
Truancy is rampant.
No gifted programs .
It's McDonald's or jail for the vast majority.

That’s all false, get the update. And it’s Yale or jail. Plus all the free GW, AU, Gtown college course you can take for free and for credit if you’re gifted. What does mcps do, send you to moco community college?

Dcps is the same barbell as MCPS: tons of good performing students, and tons of terrible performing students. But mcps really takes the cake for self-imposed destruction of the whole system for everybody. Dcps doesn’t do that.

And why does mcps only have even gifted programs or magnets seats for 1% of its students and not 4-5% like other districts in VA, NY, ma, etc. Must not have enough talented students that need a bigger challenge, right?

You really have no idea what is going on in DC. If you want to reform MCPS go for it but don't use DCPS as a blueprint for anything resembling a successful school district. It's way to chaotic.

[Anonymous]

Yes. It’s too large and the urban/rural divide fractures the district into debates & policies that are unproductive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS blows. It was once a good school district. It is no longer.

Agree. These people are living in the past and they act so high and mighty. Take a seat, lady,