Is a good atheist better then a bad christian?

[Anonymous]

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But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Are you the Jewish poster? Or just speaking for them? I asked them.

It was not clear you wanted limitations, and this is an open forum, so anyone can respond -- but no, I am not the poster you directed that question to, and I look forward to reading their response.

Still stand behind my contribution though.

[Anonymous]

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But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Why is that respectful language not used when atheists post an opinion?

I think it just was.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If atheists think they can decide what is true for Christians, Muslims, Jewish people, etc, is that respectful and tolerant and accepting?

You can believe whatever stories you want to believe. Worship whatever gods you want. State your truths.

And I can believe whatever I want to believe. And NOT worship any of the gods. And state my truths.

If someone can write "the actual words of Jesus" as if that's a fact, then I can write that those words are not actually written by "Jesus" as if that's a fact.

Calling Christian, Muslim, and Jewish Holy texts stories isn’t respectful.

You don’t get to decide for the world what is real and what isn’t real.

Complete arrogance.

I’m a Jew who’s married to an atheist. I can’t speak for Christians or Muslims, but many—if not most—Jews do actually believe that our holy text is, indeed, stories meant to teach something and not actual historical fact.

There is evidence in the Torah of several authors. One that comes to mind most readily is that God creates man twice: once in Genesis chapter 1 (“27And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”) and again in chapter 2 (“7And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul.”). That second time, he creates woman a while later. This gave rise to the adoption of the “Adam’s first wife” Lilith myth.

So the Torah is made up stories? And the authors are “dudes” who fabricated all the stories? Good to know.

I mean, that’s a reductive way to put it, but as a practicing Jew, I believe that the Torah was written by men as a series of myths to teach us something about ethics and explain the world we live in.

I do believe (for example) in being kind to other people, in passing down our cultural traditions, and in making the world a better place. I do not believe (for example) that the world was created in six days, or that the raising of a staff parted the Red Sea.

This is what I believe for all religions and religious texts. The men who created them used them as a tool to make the world less scary ("this is what happens when you die") and to control people ("be good or you'll go to hell")

So your beliefs about all world religions are the correct beliefs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Are you the Jewish poster? Or just speaking for them? I asked them.

It was not clear you wanted limitations, and this is an open forum, so anyone can respond -- but no, I am not the poster you directed that question to, and I look forward to reading their response.

Still stand behind my contribution though.

I asked the Jewish poster specifically about her beliefs. I understand you think yours are more important and valid, but some people might want to have another point of view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Are you the Jewish poster? Or just speaking for them? I asked them.

It was not clear you wanted limitations, and this is an open forum, so anyone can respond -- but no, I am not the poster you directed that question to, and I look forward to reading their response.

Still stand behind my contribution though.

I asked the Jewish poster specifically about her beliefs. I understand you think yours are more important and valid, but some people might want to have another point of view.

I did not say mine were more important. In fact I said "I look forward to reading their response." They are equally important.

Why do you feel the need to be so dishonest?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Are you the Jewish poster? Or just speaking for them? I asked them.

It was not clear you wanted limitations, and this is an open forum, so anyone can respond -- but no, I am not the poster you directed that question to, and I look forward to reading their response.

Still stand behind my contribution though.

I asked the Jewish poster specifically about her beliefs. I understand you think yours are more important and valid, but some people might want to have another point of view.

I did not say mine were more important. In fact I said "I look forward to reading their response." They are equally important.

Why do you feel the need to be so dishonest?

Most people don’t respond to direct questions asked of another poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Are you the Jewish poster? Or just speaking for them? I asked them.

It was not clear you wanted limitations, and this is an open forum, so anyone can respond -- but no, I am not the poster you directed that question to, and I look forward to reading their response.

Still stand behind my contribution though.

I asked the Jewish poster specifically about her beliefs. I understand you think yours are more important and valid, but some people might want to have another point of view.

I did not say mine were more important. In fact I said "I look forward to reading their response." They are equally important.

Why do you feel the need to be so dishonest?

Most people don’t respond to direct questions asked of another poster.

Odd, I thought this was a discussion forum, and not email. My bad.

Every been to a party, and stood around with a circle of people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Why is that respectful language not used when atheists post an opinion?

I think it just was.

Timestamp?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If atheists think they can decide what is true for Christians, Muslims, Jewish people, etc, is that respectful and tolerant and accepting?

You can believe whatever stories you want to believe. Worship whatever gods you want. State your truths.

And I can believe whatever I want to believe. And NOT worship any of the gods. And state my truths.

If someone can write "the actual words of Jesus" as if that's a fact, then I can write that those words are not actually written by "Jesus" as if that's a fact.

Calling Christian, Muslim, and Jewish Holy texts stories isn’t respectful.

You don’t get to decide for the world what is real and what isn’t real.

Complete arrogance.

I’m a Jew who’s married to an atheist. I can’t speak for Christians or Muslims, but many—if not most—Jews do actually believe that our holy text is, indeed, stories meant to teach something and not actual historical fact.

There is evidence in the Torah of several authors. One that comes to mind most readily is that God creates man twice: once in Genesis chapter 1 (“27And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”) and again in chapter 2 (“7And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul.”). That second time, he creates woman a while later. This gave rise to the adoption of the “Adam’s first wife” Lilith myth.

So the Torah is made up stories? And the authors are “dudes” who fabricated all the stories? Good to know.

I mean, that’s a reductive way to put it, but as a practicing Jew, I believe that the Torah was written by men as a series of myths to teach us something about ethics and explain the world we live in.

I do believe (for example) in being kind to other people, in passing down our cultural traditions, and in making the world a better place. I do not believe (for example) that the world was created in six days, or that the raising of a staff parted the Red Sea.

This is what I believe for all religions and religious texts. The men who created them used them as a tool to make the world less scary ("this is what happens when you die") and to control people ("be good or you'll go to hell")

So your beliefs about all world religions are the correct beliefs?

That is my "truth".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Why is that respectful language not used when atheists post an opinion?

I think it just was.

Timestamp?

Seriously?

06/28/2019 15:19

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Are you the Jewish poster? Or just speaking for them? I asked them.

It was not clear you wanted limitations, and this is an open forum, so anyone can respond -- but no, I am not the poster you directed that question to, and I look forward to reading their response.

Still stand behind my contribution though.

I asked the Jewish poster specifically about her beliefs. I understand you think yours are more important and valid, but some people might want to have another point of view.

I did not say mine were more important. In fact I said "I look forward to reading their response." They are equally important.

Why do you feel the need to be so dishonest?

Most people don’t respond to direct questions asked of another poster.

Odd, I thought this was a discussion forum, and not email. My bad.

Every been to a party, and stood around with a circle of people?

Yes, and unfortunately there is always one jacka@@ who dominates the conversation and causes me to drink heavily for relief. Congrats- you are it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Are you the Jewish poster? Or just speaking for them? I asked them.

It was not clear you wanted limitations, and this is an open forum, so anyone can respond -- but no, I am not the poster you directed that question to, and I look forward to reading their response.

Still stand behind my contribution though.

I asked the Jewish poster specifically about her beliefs. I understand you think yours are more important and valid, but some people might want to have another point of view.

I did not say mine were more important. In fact I said "I look forward to reading their response." They are equally important.

Why do you feel the need to be so dishonest?

Most people don’t respond to direct questions asked of another poster.

Odd, I thought this was a discussion forum, and not email. My bad.

Every been to a party, and stood around with a circle of people?

Yes, and unfortunately there is always one jacka@@ who dominates the conversation and causes me to drink heavily for relief. Congrats- you are it.

I am not sure why you think personal insults advances your position or contributes to the discussion in any way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Are you the Jewish poster? Or just speaking for them? I asked them.

It was not clear you wanted limitations, and this is an open forum, so anyone can respond -- but no, I am not the poster you directed that question to, and I look forward to reading their response.

Still stand behind my contribution though.

I asked the Jewish poster specifically about her beliefs. I understand you think yours are more important and valid, but some people might want to have another point of view.

I did not say mine were more important. In fact I said "I look forward to reading their response." They are equally important.

Why do you feel the need to be so dishonest?

Most people don’t respond to direct questions asked of another poster.

Odd, I thought this was a discussion forum, and not email. My bad.

Every been to a party, and stood around with a circle of people?

Yes, and unfortunately there is always one jacka@@ who dominates the conversation and causes me to drink heavily for relief. Congrats- you are it.

I am not sure why you think personal insults advances your position or contributes to the discussion in any way.

*sips a crisp white* Go on, dear. This is my interested face.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Are you the Jewish poster? Or just speaking for them? I asked them.

It was not clear you wanted limitations, and this is an open forum, so anyone can respond -- but no, I am not the poster you directed that question to, and I look forward to reading their response.

Still stand behind my contribution though.

I asked the Jewish poster specifically about her beliefs. I understand you think yours are more important and valid, but some people might want to have another point of view.

I did not say mine were more important. In fact I said "I look forward to reading their response." They are equally important.

Why do you feel the need to be so dishonest?

Most people don’t respond to direct questions asked of another poster.

Odd, I thought this was a discussion forum, and not email. My bad.

Every been to a party, and stood around with a circle of people?

Yes, and unfortunately there is always one jacka@@ who dominates the conversation and causes me to drink heavily for relief. Congrats- you are it.

I am not sure why you think personal insults advances your position or contributes to the discussion in any way.

*sips a crisp white* Go on, dear. This is my interested face.

Yet another thing we disagree on, since I prefer some oak in my chard.

Trying to be nice, please try back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But some people do believe that. Are they wrong? Would you tell them they are wrong?

A thinking person, if in a relevant discussion, would say that there is no evidence to support those claims.

Why is that respectful language not used when atheists post an opinion?

I think it just was.

Timestamp?

Seriously?

06/28/2019 15:19

That is an atheist poster.

Where is respectful language when someone disagrees with an atheist?