Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed

[Anonymous]

I just can’t imagine a verbal altercation ending in a Shooting. I agree the cop shouldn’t get anonymity that other citizens would be denied, but it will interesting to actually get the full story.

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t imagine a verbal altercation ending in a Shooting. I agree the cop shouldn’t get anonymity that other citizens would be denied, but it will interesting to actually get the full story.

A verbal argument with a non-verbal person?

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Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts if you think a man who was holding his child is going to pick a fight with some gigantic stranger.

You're also crazy if you think the guy has any obligation to go "hand to hand" against a monstrous, blank-faced attacker.

The only witness accounts so far say there was an argument, not a physical attack. No need for a gun for a verbal dispute.

It is also reported that he was non-verbal, so how there would be an argument is beyond me.

It could be a case where the son bumped into him, the cop thought the son pushed him intentionally and started yelling, parents intervene to defend their son/defuse the situation, cop keeps yelling, son gets agitated by the yelling, and cop with an itchy trigger finger shoots everyone because he feels “threatened.”

I suspect this is what happened. Possibly the victim bumped into the child who started crying.

Oh, I doubt it was anything so simple. Maybe the cop and this guy bumped into each other by mistake and that triggered the guy who then proceeded to physically assault the cop. The parents stepped in as the situation quickly deteriorated and the cop shot all 3 of them.

I do not think this was a mere verbal altercation. There was some sort of physical threat to the officer.

The victim wasn’t known to be violent. He was describes as gentle giant and no one who knew him has refuted that. I wish the cop’s name was released so we could hear what people who know him have to say.

From the article, "His cousin’s mental condition had declined in recent years, and he no longer spoke." Sounds perfectly gentle. Declining mental condition.

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Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts if you think a man who was holding his child is going to pick a fight with some gigantic stranger.

You're also crazy if you think the guy has any obligation to go "hand to hand" against a monstrous, blank-faced attacker.

The only witness accounts so far say there was an argument, not a physical attack. No need for a gun for a verbal dispute.

It is also reported that he was non-verbal, so how there would be an argument is beyond me.

It could be a case where the son bumped into him, the cop thought the son pushed him intentionally and started yelling, parents intervene to defend their son/defuse the situation, cop keeps yelling, son gets agitated by the yelling, and cop with an itchy trigger finger shoots everyone because he feels “threatened.”

I suspect this is what happened. Possibly the victim bumped into the child who started crying.

Oh, I doubt it was anything so simple. Maybe the cop and this guy bumped into each other by mistake and that triggered the guy who then proceeded to physically assault the cop. The parents stepped in as the situation quickly deteriorated and the cop shot all 3 of them.

I do not think this was a mere verbal altercation. There was some sort of physical threat to the officer.

The victim wasn’t known to be violent. He was describes as gentle giant and no one who knew him has refuted that. I wish the cop’s name was released so we could hear what people who know him have to say.

From the article, "His cousin’s mental condition had declined in recent years, and he no longer spoke." Sounds perfectly gentle. Declining mental condition.

I hope to God that you never have a beloved family member experience a decline in function leading to loss of speech. No reason to assume it would make them violent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today:

CHULA VISTA — A couple loading groceries into a car at a Chula Vista Costco on Monday afternoon was shot several times by a gunman who then turned the weapon on himself in a deadly domestic violence ambush, police said.
—LATimes.com

Think I’ll avoid Costco for a while.

No kidding—if it’s not the trigger-happy humans, it’s the dogs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox8.com/2019/06/17/woman-found-dead-in-costco-parking-lot-was-likely-killed-by-dogs-authorities-say/amp/

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Anonymous wrote:Today:

CHULA VISTA — A couple loading groceries into a car at a Chula Vista Costco on Monday afternoon was shot several times by a gunman who then turned the weapon on himself in a deadly domestic violence ambush, police said.
—LATimes.com

Think I’ll avoid Costco for a while.

No kidding—if it’s not the trigger-happy humans, it’s the dogs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox8.com/2019/06/17/woman-found-dead-in-costco-parking-lot-was-likely-killed-by-dogs-authorities-say/amp/

That’s horrible!

(An awful) Part of me is thinking: death comes in threes and Costco is probably safe again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts if you think a man who was holding his child is going to pick a fight with some gigantic stranger.

You're also crazy if you think the guy has any obligation to go "hand to hand" against a monstrous, blank-faced attacker.

The only witness accounts so far say there was an argument, not a physical attack. No need for a gun for a verbal dispute.

It is also reported that he was non-verbal, so how there would be an argument is beyond me.

I agree but this part of the argument makes me shake my head a little bit. Just because somebody is nonverbal doesn’t mean they can’t scream, shout loudly or have other vocalizations. If he was special needs he might’ve been gentle 99% of the time but something May have set him off at that moment.

None of that justifies the shooting.

[Anonymous]

I shop at the Costco in Wheaton. Occasionally, I encounter both group homes shopping with their clients in a large group or parents shopping with an adolescent or young adult with intellectual disabilities. Some of these encounters are unremarkable. Other times something funny or odd happens. A young woman began moonwalking across my path and wouldn’t stop until I joined her (simply applauding didn’t work). Another time, an adult male grabbed my cart right out of my hands. It startled me, but I was uninjured and saw not reason to argue with him or his caregivers. People need to stop overreacting to people with intellectual disabilities. They need groceries the same as the rest of us and, although I hardly find Costco enjoyable, there’s clinical evidence that such outings can help stave off further decline in cognition and self-regulation.

[Anonymous]

It looks like the LA Times is reporting that the man pushed the officer down somehow. I am trying to figure out how you draw a weapon and shoot 3 people while on the ground holding a child who was unhurt.

[Anonymous]

Amazing how people still conflate intellectual disability with mental illness. It’s possible to have both, but it isn’t the norm. And people with intellectual disabilities are far more likely to be the victims of random violence than the perpetrators.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like the LA Times is reporting that the man pushed the officer down somehow. I am trying to figure out how you draw a weapon and shoot 3 people while on the ground holding a child who was unhurt.

Getting pushed on the ground does not excuse shooting a gun in a crowded grocery store with kids around.

NO.MORE.GUNS!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like the LA Times is reporting that the man pushed the officer down somehow. I am trying to figure out how you draw a weapon and shoot 3 people while on the ground holding a child who was unhurt.

They're reporting that the officer was holding his 1 1/2 year old and feeding the child food samples when he was suddenly attacked by the man and knocked down, briefly going unconscious. He came to, drew his weapon and wound up shooting his assailant, along with the assailant's parents, in self defense. The attack was caught on Costco security cameras.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the LA Times is reporting that the man pushed the officer down somehow. I am trying to figure out how you draw a weapon and shoot 3 people while on the ground holding a child who was unhurt.

They're reporting that the officer was holding his 1 1/2 year old and feeding the child food samples when he was suddenly attacked by the man and knocked down, briefly going unconscious. He came to, drew his weapon and wound up shooting his assailant, along with the assailant's parents, in self defense. The attack was caught on Costco security cameras.

Another example of why guns should be banned. Your right to self defense does not permit you to shoot innocent bystanders.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the LA Times is reporting that the man pushed the officer down somehow. I am trying to figure out how you draw a weapon and shoot 3 people while on the ground holding a child who was unhurt.

They're reporting that the officer was holding his 1 1/2 year old and feeding the child food samples when he was suddenly attacked by the man and knocked down, briefly going unconscious. He came to, drew his weapon and wound up shooting his assailant, along with the assailant's parents, in self defense. The attack was caught on Costco security cameras.

"they" as in his police union lawyer are claiming this. somehow he was attacked and "came too" shooting his gun at a crowd, yet only had "minor" injuries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the LA Times is reporting that the man pushed the officer down somehow. I am trying to figure out how you draw a weapon and shoot 3 people while on the ground holding a child who was unhurt.

They're reporting that the officer was holding his 1 1/2 year old and feeding the child food samples when he was suddenly attacked by the man and knocked down, briefly going unconscious. He came to, drew his weapon and wound up shooting his assailant, along with the assailant's parents, in self defense. The attack was caught on Costco security cameras.

Actually this is simply what the cop’s lawyer says. The footage hasn’t been released. So no corroboration yet.