Another kid broke my son's jaw

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to wonder if this is a troll post. All these “unwanted touching” PPs have never seen the results of a broken jaw. It’s serious assault, serious recovery time and not excusable unless a documented accident. Punching someone in the face hard enough to break jaw is a crime and not justified

Oh, come on. If someone touched your daughter in a way she didn't like, she told him to stop, he did it again, and she hit him in the face and broke his jaw (and PPs are right, jaws break very easily if hit in the wrong place) , you think she was unjustified, and committed a crime? Don't be ridiculous.

Also, I'd bet my mortgage payment that OP didn't get the complete story from her son.

Exactly - this guy punching her son did a lot of people a big favor. If he learns.
Do you think that he’ll learn, OP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to wonder if this is a troll post. All these “unwanted touching” PPs have never seen the results of a broken jaw. It’s serious assault, serious recovery time and not excusable unless a documented accident. Punching someone in the face hard enough to break jaw is a crime and not justified

This is such a weird response to me. You realize that "touching" someone else's head can be a hedging way of referring to a range from a teeny boop on the tip of the nose to flicking him directly in the eye, or clapping him on the side of the head a'la the eardrum rupture in It's A Wonderful Life?

How the hell can you say you know whether it was proportional or not? Especially given it could have been a wild swing that just landed right.

You're pushing a narrative.

Touching someone’s anything when unwanted is assault - plain and simple.

Agreed. But the law looks at things like whether the response was proportional. There is case law on this.

From what OP wrote, it could certainly go either way. Anyone that makes a firm judgment call one way or the other is projecting something.

[Anonymous]

Timely article about all this young male violence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/opinion/sunday/boys-men-violence.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, as an RA, here are things I know some 18 year old men did to each other that led to fights in the dorms:

Place a used condom on a roommate’s pillow.
Fart directly at a hallmate walking by
Press naked genitals against a roommate’s family photo of mom and two sisters.
Ejaculate in roommate’s 2 in 1 shampoo
Smush a rotted pickled egg on hallmate’s back

All of these things were done to humiliate the other man and establish dominance. In all cases, things only went to the j board after the victim physically retailiated and then the injured perp claimed to be playing.

So gross. I hope that they didn’t just punch the person in the face here as more would be so satisfying.

Not one of those things justifies BREAKING SOMEONES JAW by punching in the mouth.

Leaving aside the fact that we don't know whether or not those caused a broken jaw (could have been bloody nose or black eye), that's a matter of opinion. And I dare say the opinions of men and women would generally differ. In my opinion, as a man, anyone who did any of that stuff deserved a face punch, and if it broke their jaw, so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to wonder if this is a troll post. All these “unwanted touching” PPs have never seen the results of a broken jaw. It’s serious assault, serious recovery time and not excusable unless a documented accident. Punching someone in the face hard enough to break jaw is a crime and not justified

So much condescending womansplaining in this thread.

Keep your hands to yourself and you don't get punched.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to wonder if this is a troll post. All these “unwanted touching” PPs have never seen the results of a broken jaw. It’s serious assault, serious recovery time and not excusable unless a documented accident. Punching someone in the face hard enough to break jaw is a crime and not justified

This is such a weird response to me. You realize that "touching" someone else's head can be a hedging way of referring to a range from a teeny boop on the tip of the nose to flicking him directly in the eye, or clapping him on the side of the head a'la the eardrum rupture in It's A Wonderful Life?

How the hell can you say you know whether it was proportional or not? Especially given it could have been a wild swing that just landed right.

You're pushing a narrative.

Touching someone’s anything when unwanted is assault - plain and simple.

Agreed. But the law looks at things like whether the response was proportional. There is case law on this.

From what OP wrote, it could certainly go either way. Anyone that makes a firm judgment call one way or the other is projecting something.

Proportional would refer to the means not the outcome. If he'd used a gun or a knife or a club on the guy, not proportional. Punching a guy who lays his hands on you, yes, proportional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to wonder if this is a troll post. All these “unwanted touching” PPs have never seen the results of a broken jaw. It’s serious assault, serious recovery time and not excusable unless a documented accident. Punching someone in the face hard enough to break jaw is a crime and not justified

This is such a weird response to me. You realize that "touching" someone else's head can be a hedging way of referring to a range from a teeny boop on the tip of the nose to flicking him directly in the eye, or clapping him on the side of the head a'la the eardrum rupture in It's A Wonderful Life?

How the hell can you say you know whether it was proportional or not? Especially given it could have been a wild swing that just landed right.

You're pushing a narrative.

Touching someone’s anything when unwanted is assault - plain and simple.

Agreed. But the law looks at things like whether the response was proportional. There is case law on this.

From what OP wrote, it could certainly go either way. Anyone that makes a firm judgment call one way or the other is projecting something.

Proportional would refer to the means not the outcome. If he'd used a gun or a knife or a club on the guy, not proportional. Punching a guy who lays his hands on you, yes, proportional.

Have you heard of the term "proportional level of force?"

The level of force is not solely determined by the means.

[Anonymous]

Lot of angry cowards who have never been in an actual fight on this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to wonder if this is a troll post. All these “unwanted touching” PPs have never seen the results of a broken jaw. It’s serious assault, serious recovery time and not excusable unless a documented accident. Punching someone in the face hard enough to break jaw is a crime and not justified

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Agreed. I was an RA, and if a kid got seriously injured such that they needed to go to the hospital, administrators was all over the situation, communicating to the parents and documenting next steps. OP just sounds...vague.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Timely article about all this young male violence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/opinion/sunday/boys-men-violence.html

Context is really important here. The level of violence among boys in my experience (having been a young man and now raising one and talking to a bunch of dads I know) is very, very, very much lower now than it was when I was a kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry cowards who have never been in an actual fight on this thread.

This. No way OP has gotten the full story; the son was probably picking a fight with this kid and got what he deserved. It sucks that his jaw was broken but as other posters have said, that is not that hard to do. OP needs to focus on getting her son back to health and not trying to push this as its likely to end up with her kid getting expelled too.

[Anonymous]

**applause for DS's adversary**

bullies deserve a good honest thumping or they don't stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t your son the instigator?

Suppose so. Seems like a broken jaw may be taking it a bit far. Anger management issues perhaps?

Maybe but what are you looking for?

Not sure, that's obviously why I posted here. I'm upset some kid broke my son's jaw as I'm sure any parent would be. There were 5 other kids there so I'm sure I will be getting all sides of the story. I'm not looking for retribution or revenge. But I do think the kid should be held responsible for inflicting a serious injury. Apparently most of you would just let it go and that's fine. I'm just not sure what to do.

You have no business investigating this on your own. This is a police matter. Call them immediately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t your son the instigator?

Suppose so. Seems like a broken jaw may be taking it a bit far. Anger management issues perhaps?

Maybe but what are you looking for?

Not sure, that's obviously why I posted here. I'm upset some kid broke my son's jaw as I'm sure any parent would be. There were 5 other kids there so I'm sure I will be getting all sides of the story. I'm not looking for retribution or revenge. But I do think the kid should be held responsible for inflicting a serious injury. Apparently most of you would just let it go and that's fine. I'm just not sure what to do.

You have no business investigating this on your own. This is a police matter. Call them immediately.

+1 any decent university would have called them already.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t your son the instigator?

Suppose so. Seems like a broken jaw may be taking it a bit far. Anger management issues perhaps?

Maybe but what are you looking for?

Not sure, that's obviously why I posted here. I'm upset some kid broke my son's jaw as I'm sure any parent would be. There were 5 other kids there so I'm sure I will be getting all sides of the story. I'm not looking for retribution or revenge. But I do think the kid should be held responsible for inflicting a serious injury. Apparently most of you would just let it go and that's fine. I'm just not sure what to do.

You have no business investigating this on your own. This is a police matter. Call them immediately.

+1 any decent university would have called them already.

100%. And as PP noted, Resident Life would also be all over it - if a kid went to the hospital due to a dorm-related incident, the RA would have escalated it to the Resident Director. OP, someone should be communicating with your son about this already. He needs to talk to his RA or RD about next steps (and whether those steps should involve the police).