timeline for Woodward/WJ decision?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/110118%20agenda%20DRAFT.pdf



https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/110818%20agenda%20DRAFT.pdf


https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/111218%20agenda%20DRAFT.pdf

Work Session on 11/1, Hearing on 11/8 & 11/12

Work session also scheduled for 11/15 & a hearing on 11/19.


If you don't think they are serious about the boundary changes, think again.

Huh? Those don't mention Woodward at all.

Of course they don't. Given the construction it is the first opportunity to try out the non neighborhood boundary changes.

There is an upcounty boundary study that will happen before Woodward

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/110118%20agenda%20DRAFT.pdf



https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/110818%20agenda%20DRAFT.pdf


https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/111218%20agenda%20DRAFT.pdf

Work Session on 11/1, Hearing on 11/8 & 11/12

Work session also scheduled for 11/15 & a hearing on 11/19.


If you don't think they are serious about the boundary changes, think again.

Huh? Those don't mention Woodward at all.

Of course they don't. Given the construction it is the first opportunity to try out the non neighborhood boundary changes.

There is an upcounty boundary study that will happen before Woodward

Yes, of course. But this thread is supposedly about the timeline of the Woodward/WJ decision, and the links provided are not indicative of that, or of any "task force meeting this week to begin discussions on the boundaries and balancing diversity." What could shed more light on the timeline is the upcoming CIP presentation, which is set for the BOE meeting on October 29th: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/102918%20agenda%20DRAFT%20v3.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/110118%20agenda%20DRAFT.pdf



https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/110818%20agenda%20DRAFT.pdf


https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/111218%20agenda%20DRAFT.pdf

Work Session on 11/1, Hearing on 11/8 & 11/12

Work session also scheduled for 11/15 & a hearing on 11/19.


If you don't think they are serious about the boundary changes, think again.

Huh? Those don't mention Woodward at all.

Of course they don't. Given the construction it is the first opportunity to try out the non neighborhood boundary changes.

There is an upcounty boundary study that will happen before Woodward

Yes, of course. But this thread is supposedly about the timeline of the Woodward/WJ decision, and the links provided are not indicative of that, or of any "task force meeting this week to begin discussions on the boundaries and balancing diversity." What could shed more light on the timeline is the upcoming CIP presentation, which is set for the BOE meeting on October 29th: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/boe/meetings/agenda/2018/102918%20agenda%20DRAFT%20v3.pdf

And there's also another notable item on that agenda: 10.4 Presentation of the Superintendent's Recommendation to Revise the Scope of the Clarksburg, Northwest, and Seneca Valley High Schools Boundary Study

[Anonymous]

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There are a lot of families on this forum who send their kids to Einstein and who are very happy. Many of them report that their children have been highly successful post graduation from Einstein. There is however a very noticeable difference in the real estate prices for homes zoned for WJ and homes zoned for Einstein (I would say it is close to $150,000) so there is justifiable concern about how a redistricting out of WJ would impact real estate values. For many middle class families, our homes are our most important asset.

I have looked at a couple of reports to see if there are objective differences in the performance of students at WJ and Einstein so we can go beyond anecdotes.

The first looks at SAT scores by school and breaks scores down by race etc. for each school . It is long but a lot of good information can be found on just one page (Table A8 in the Appendix)
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Every single student subgroup performs better in WJ by at least 100 points.

The second report looks at AP and IB results. It is even longer and harder to find one table that lays it all out. It looks like AP results are better at WJ. There is however a small group of students at Einstein that take IB tests (only 66 students at Einstein took one or more IB test compared to 282 at BCC and 189 at Rockville). These 66 students do well and 85% of them score 4 or higher on the test. See Table D3a and D3b
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2018/2017%20AP%20IB%20Course%20Enrollment%20and%20Exam%20Participation%20Performance.pdf

I look at these reports and I must say I find the results a little perplexing. I seem to remember that the five middle school clusters that had the largest number of children who were deemed qualified for the middle school magnets were Frost, Hoover, Sligo, Silver Spring international and Pyle. Why aren’t the corresponding High schools producing similar results?

Why do white kids have lower scores at Einstein than at WJ? Is it because WJ is a better school? Or provides more test prep?

The white kids are poorer and have a lower peer group at Einstein. Low expectations

Can wait to have my low expectations, poor kids come join your school! In 2022, the eastsiders invade!

you kid will still be the poor east side kids, reguardless of mocked form close up or afar they will still be them.

You're going to become poorer has your house drops in value, while mine goes up.

[Anonymous]

How funny would it be if the two previous posters actually knew each other IRL and were actually sorta friendly to one another (work setting, sports, etc)? Betcha this sorta thing happens more than one might think!

[Anonymous]

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And there's also another notable item on that agenda: 10.4 Presentation of the Superintendent's Recommendation to Revise the Scope of the Clarksburg, Northwest, and Seneca Valley High Schools Boundary Study

Oh! That's new!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

And there's also another notable item on that agenda: 10.4 Presentation of the Superintendent's Recommendation to Revise the Scope of the Clarksburg, Northwest, and Seneca Valley High Schools Boundary Study

Oh! That's new!

No, it's not. Seneca Valley has been going through a renovation project which increases their capacity by 1000. This will relieve the overcapacity issues at NW and Clarksburg.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And there's also another notable item on that agenda: 10.4 Presentation of the Superintendent's Recommendation to Revise the Scope of the Clarksburg, Northwest, and Seneca Valley High Schools Boundary Study

Oh! That's new!

No, it's not. Seneca Valley has been going through a renovation project which increases their capacity by 1000. This will relieve the overcapacity issues at NW and Clarksburg.

The recommendation to revise the scope of the boundary study is new.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There are a lot of families on this forum who send their kids to Einstein and who are very happy. Many of them report that their children have been highly successful post graduation from Einstein. There is however a very noticeable difference in the real estate prices for homes zoned for WJ and homes zoned for Einstein (I would say it is close to $150,000) so there is justifiable concern about how a redistricting out of WJ would impact real estate values. For many middle class families, our homes are our most important asset.

I have looked at a couple of reports to see if there are objective differences in the performance of students at WJ and Einstein so we can go beyond anecdotes.

The first looks at SAT scores by school and breaks scores down by race etc. for each school . It is long but a lot of good information can be found on just one page (Table A8 in the Appendix)
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Every single student subgroup performs better in WJ by at least 100 points.

The second report looks at AP and IB results. It is even longer and harder to find one table that lays it all out. It looks like AP results are better at WJ. There is however a small group of students at Einstein that take IB tests (only 66 students at Einstein took one or more IB test compared to 282 at BCC and 189 at Rockville). These 66 students do well and 85% of them score 4 or higher on the test. See Table D3a and D3b
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2018/2017%20AP%20IB%20Course%20Enrollment%20and%20Exam%20Participation%20Performance.pdf

I look at these reports and I must say I find the results a little perplexing. I seem to remember that the five middle school clusters that had the largest number of children who were deemed qualified for the middle school magnets were Frost, Hoover, Sligo, Silver Spring international and Pyle. Why aren’t the corresponding High schools producing similar results?

Why do white kids have lower scores at Einstein than at WJ? Is it because WJ is a better school? Or provides more test prep?

The white kids are poorer and have a lower peer group at Einstein. Low expectations

Can wait to have my low expectations, poor kids come join your school! In 2022, the eastsiders invade!

you kid will still be the poor east side kids, reguardless of mocked form close up or afar they will still be them.

You're going to become poorer has your house drops in value, while mine goes up.

Really? going to school with undesirables is one thing, living by them is another. Are you moving your location?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There are a lot of families on this forum who send their kids to Einstein and who are very happy. Many of them report that their children have been highly successful post graduation from Einstein. There is however a very noticeable difference in the real estate prices for homes zoned for WJ and homes zoned for Einstein (I would say it is close to $150,000) so there is justifiable concern about how a redistricting out of WJ would impact real estate values. For many middle class families, our homes are our most important asset.

I have looked at a couple of reports to see if there are objective differences in the performance of students at WJ and Einstein so we can go beyond anecdotes.

The first looks at SAT scores by school and breaks scores down by race etc. for each school . It is long but a lot of good information can be found on just one page (Table A8 in the Appendix)
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Every single student subgroup performs better in WJ by at least 100 points.

The second report looks at AP and IB results. It is even longer and harder to find one table that lays it all out. It looks like AP results are better at WJ. There is however a small group of students at Einstein that take IB tests (only 66 students at Einstein took one or more IB test compared to 282 at BCC and 189 at Rockville). These 66 students do well and 85% of them score 4 or higher on the test. See Table D3a and D3b
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2018/2017%20AP%20IB%20Course%20Enrollment%20and%20Exam%20Participation%20Performance.pdf

I look at these reports and I must say I find the results a little perplexing. I seem to remember that the five middle school clusters that had the largest number of children who were deemed qualified for the middle school magnets were Frost, Hoover, Sligo, Silver Spring international and Pyle. Why aren’t the corresponding High schools producing similar results?

Why do white kids have lower scores at Einstein than at WJ? Is it because WJ is a better school? Or provides more test prep?

The white kids are poorer and have a lower peer group at Einstein. Low expectations

Can wait to have my low expectations, poor kids come join your school! In 2022, the eastsiders invade!

you kid will still be the poor east side kids, reguardless of mocked form close up or afar they will still be them.

You're going to become poorer has your house drops in value, while mine goes up.

Really? going to school with undesirables is one thing, living by them is another. Are you moving your location?

Brace yourself, my kid is gonna get your kid to hangout at Wheaton Mall or DTSS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There are a lot of families on this forum who send their kids to Einstein and who are very happy. Many of them report that their children have been highly successful post graduation from Einstein. There is however a very noticeable difference in the real estate prices for homes zoned for WJ and homes zoned for Einstein (I would say it is close to $150,000) so there is justifiable concern about how a redistricting out of WJ would impact real estate values. For many middle class families, our homes are our most important asset.

I have looked at a couple of reports to see if there are objective differences in the performance of students at WJ and Einstein so we can go beyond anecdotes.

The first looks at SAT scores by school and breaks scores down by race etc. for each school . It is long but a lot of good information can be found on just one page (Table A8 in the Appendix)
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Every single student subgroup performs better in WJ by at least 100 points.

The second report looks at AP and IB results. It is even longer and harder to find one table that lays it all out. It looks like AP results are better at WJ. There is however a small group of students at Einstein that take IB tests (only 66 students at Einstein took one or more IB test compared to 282 at BCC and 189 at Rockville). These 66 students do well and 85% of them score 4 or higher on the test. See Table D3a and D3b
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2018/2017%20AP%20IB%20Course%20Enrollment%20and%20Exam%20Participation%20Performance.pdf

I look at these reports and I must say I find the results a little perplexing. I seem to remember that the five middle school clusters that had the largest number of children who were deemed qualified for the middle school magnets were Frost, Hoover, Sligo, Silver Spring international and Pyle. Why aren’t the corresponding High schools producing similar results?

The cohort gets split up to various high schools in the DCC for Sligo and SSIMS.

Sligo is zoned for Einstein so you should see much better results for Einstein with such a large number of high performers coming up from Sligo. Unless many of these kids are opting for Blair or Wheaton?

From the families I know some kids at Blair for CAP or magnet, 1 at Wheaton, the rest at Einstein.

SSIMS recently hosted an event where former SSIMS students spoke to current 8th graders about their respective high schools. Only one was at Einstein, and one or two at Kennedy. The vast majority were at Blair (regular, CAP and SMAC), Wheaton Biomed magnet and Northwood.

Because they didn’t invite the 98% of students who pass through with mediocre results

[Anonymous]

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And there's also another notable item on that agenda: 10.4 Presentation of the Superintendent's Recommendation to Revise the Scope of the Clarksburg, Northwest, and Seneca Valley High Schools Boundary Study

Oh! That's new!

No, it's not. Seneca Valley has been going through a renovation project which increases their capacity by 1000. This will relieve the overcapacity issues at NW and Clarksburg.

The recommendation to revise the scope of the boundary study is new.

No - it came up at the board last spring (partly as a result of the RM#5 discussions) and the Superintendent got assigned the task to look more broadly at the whole area. The middle schools are terribly imbalanced too. They did a shift of the Humanities Upcounty Magnet from Clemente to MLK to start balancing, but that's only a partial solution. I expect this to be a presentation about proposed scope and process, and I expect that there will be many questions and further refinement. This upcounty process is pertinent to this thread's topic, because how MCPS chooses to approach the upcounty boundaries signals what they may do downcounty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And there's also another notable item on that agenda: 10.4 Presentation of the Superintendent's Recommendation to Revise the Scope of the Clarksburg, Northwest, and Seneca Valley High Schools Boundary Study

Oh! That's new!

No, it's not. Seneca Valley has been going through a renovation project which increases their capacity by 1000. This will relieve the overcapacity issues at NW and Clarksburg.

The recommendation to revise the scope of the boundary study is new.

No - it came up at the board last spring (partly as a result of the RM#5 discussions) and the Superintendent got assigned the task to look more broadly at the whole area. The middle schools are terribly imbalanced too. They did a shift of the Humanities Upcounty Magnet from Clemente to MLK to start balancing, but that's only a partial solution. I expect this to be a presentation about proposed scope and process, and I expect that there will be many questions and further refinement. This upcounty process is pertinent to this thread's topic, because how MCPS chooses to approach the upcounty boundaries signals what they may do downcounty.

This. It will be really interesting to see what they do with SV and the impacted schools. It's going to be ugly so get your popcorn ready, folks.

[Anonymous]

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No - it came up at the board last spring (partly as a result of the RM#5 discussions) and the Superintendent got assigned the task to look more broadly at the whole area. The middle schools are terribly imbalanced too. They did a shift of the Humanities Upcounty Magnet from Clemente to MLK to start balancing, but that's only a partial solution. I expect this to be a presentation about proposed scope and process, and I expect that there will be many questions and further refinement. This upcounty process is pertinent to this thread's topic, because how MCPS chooses to approach the upcounty boundaries signals what they may do downcounty.

They did a shift because Clemente is over capacity, MLK is under capacity, and the two schools are geographically close enough that MCPS can use the same buses. (Though there may have been other reasons as well.)

[Anonymous]

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This. It will be really interesting to see what they do with SV and the impacted schools. It's going to be ugly so get your popcorn ready, folks.

It was always going to be ugly, because of the contingents from the Clarksburg and Northwest clusters who want Clarksburg and Northwest to be segregated high schools, and the poor kids should all go to Seneca Valley for their own good due to geographic proximity. There was already quite enough of that with the Hallie Wells MS boundary study, and even with the original Clarksburg HS boundary study. Just because we're in the Siberian Hinterlands doesn't mean we can't be every bit as nasty as parents in Bethesda, Potomac, and North Potomac.