2017-2018 PARCC results

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Anonymous wrote:You may have noticed there is not a whole lotta drama from Murch on these boards. I think people are less focused on score and “rankings” which makes it a good school community to be part of. So you might not get the satisfaction you seek.

Well said.

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I don't see a massive issue or 10 years of dropping scores which should alarm parents.

That's not the issue; no one is suggesting that Murch's absolute scores are inexorably "dropping" year-to-year. They're still "eh," while the neighbors keep improving, pushing Murch way down in the rankings. Neighbors that look just like Murch, somewhat like Murch (Eaton), not really much like Murch (Hearst, Ross) and not at all like Murch (Ludlow-Taylor).

I understand that no one wants to trash talk their own school, I wouldn't either. But maybe someone with knowledge is feeling candid

This, from the very first post about Murch in this thread:

If I had kids at Murch or headed there, I'd want some answers about its plummet over the past 10 years, in this imperfect but useful metric. It's undeniable. What's going on? The trend transcends principals, renovation, etc

This sort of dramatic silliness is why it’s hard to take these threads seriously. PARCC has been in use for only the last four years. Clearly, something happened in fifth grade math last year. Hard to know what, given the consistency of instruction in that slot. As someone with a rising fifth grader (and another child who has recently been through fifth grade at Murch), it’s not something I’m spending a lot of time worrying about. If I have any concern, it’s that people freaking out could drive a more testing-focused approach at the school, which would be the worst possible outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:So where is the achievement gap below 40 or 50%?

At Oyster-Adams, the black/white achievement gap in ELA is 12%; however it’s 32% in math.

There is essentially no black/white achievement gap at Ross: 4% in ELA and 0% in Math. DCPS needs to bottle and replicate whatever is going on at Ross!

I wonder—are the black kids at Ross high SES or something? Since we know a lot of this boils down to SES differences?

Probably, but aren’t most of the black kids at Janney, Key, Mann, Murch, etc...also high SES? Those schools all have much larger achievement gaps than Ross.

No. I have 3 kids at Janney. The black kid population is probably only 25% middle to high SES (and some of this 25% is black kids adopted by white neighborhood families). The rest (75%) of the black kids are out of boundary
and lower (to very low) SES. And because it's Janney the the gulf between high and low is HUGE. To buy in AU Park now you have to afford 1.2 million+. The families in the younger grades are all really wealthy--they're no longer even dual feds, they're law partners.
The economic gulf between them and the black kids coming from across the park is massive.

How do you know all the black kid’s SES? Sounds like a lot of prejudging. I have a lot of black friends OOB at Janney. My son’s best friend is black rising 5th. All of his black peers that come to his birthday party come from two HHI families with great jobs. Live in Shepherd Park, Crestwood, 16th St Heights.

There were 736 students at Janney last year. Putting aside race, only 22 students in the entire school were economically disadvantaged, and fewer than 10 students were at risk.

There were ~184 non-white students at Janney. Most of them are not poor.

There is racial bias in education -- because there is racial bias in our society. Period.

Mic drop. Thank you. I knew that 75% of the black kids there are poor was BS PP pulled out of her ass and your data confirmed that. Definitely racial bias. And they can’t even see it. My black friend who has a kid at Janney happens to be a doctor and husband a professor. They drive old model cars. I laugh at the fact that PP assumes they are low SES.

How does it feel to be a mentally ill racist?

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Anonymous wrote:So where is the achievement gap below 40 or 50%?

At Oyster-Adams, the black/white achievement gap in ELA is 12%; however it’s 32% in math.

There is essentially no black/white achievement gap at Ross: 4% in ELA and 0% in Math. DCPS needs to bottle and replicate whatever is going on at Ross!

I wonder—are the black kids at Ross high SES or something? Since we know a lot of this boils down to SES differences?

Probably, but aren’t most of the black kids at Janney, Key, Mann, Murch, etc...also high SES? Those schools all have much larger achievement gaps than Ross.

No. I have 3 kids at Janney. The black kid population is probably only 25% middle to high SES (and some of this 25% is black kids adopted by white neighborhood families). The rest (75%) of the black kids are out of boundary
and lower (to very low) SES. And because it's Janney the the gulf between high and low is HUGE. To buy in AU Park now you have to afford 1.2 million+. The families in the younger grades are all really wealthy--they're no longer even dual feds, they're law partners.
The economic gulf between them and the black kids coming from across the park is massive.

How do you know all the black kid’s SES? Sounds like a lot of prejudging. I have a lot of black friends OOB at Janney. My son’s best friend is black rising 5th. All of his black peers that come to his birthday party come from two HHI families with great jobs. Live in Shepherd Park, Crestwood, 16th St Heights.

There were 736 students at Janney last year. Putting aside race, only 22 students in the entire school were economically disadvantaged, and fewer than 10 students were at risk.

There were ~184 non-white students at Janney. Most of them are not poor.

There is racial bias in education -- because there is racial bias in our society. Period.

If you think "racial bias in education" is the reason for the ABYSMAL average PARCC scores of DC's black kids, you are an enabler and part of the problem.

NP. Racial bias in education does exist, whether or not you want to acknowledge it. It may not be the only reason for the achievement gap, but it's a significant issue in schools across the country. Your refusal to recognize that makes YOU part of the problem.

What is the bias you are referring to exactly? I'm all in ears. I think you are spouting BS, so tell me what you think it is.

[Anonymous]

Surely you are familiar with this work:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/09/28/495488716/bias-isnt-just-a-police-problem-its-a-preschool-problem

“If implicit bias can play a role on our preschool reading rugs and in our classrooms' cozy corners, it no doubt haunts every corner of our society.

Biases are natural, as Gilliam says, but they must also be reckoned with.”

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Anonymous wrote:Surely you are familiar with this work:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/09/28/495488716/bias-isnt-just-a-police-problem-its-a-preschool-problem

“If implicit bias can play a role on our preschool reading rugs and in our classrooms' cozy corners, it no doubt haunts every corner of our society.

Biases are natural, as Gilliam says, but they must also be reckoned with.”

Nope, but it sounds like a load of BS to me. Why take a study like that at face value? Because it makes you feel like you are a good person? Get a grip and a brain.

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Anonymous wrote:So where is the achievement gap below 40 or 50%?

At Oyster-Adams, the black/white achievement gap in ELA is 12%; however it’s 32% in math.

There is essentially no black/white achievement gap at Ross: 4% in ELA and 0% in Math. DCPS needs to bottle and replicate whatever is going on at Ross!

I wonder—are the black kids at Ross high SES or something? Since we know a lot of this boils down to SES differences?

Probably, but aren’t most of the black kids at Janney, Key, Mann, Murch, etc...also high SES? Those schools all have much larger achievement gaps than Ross.

No. I have 3 kids at Janney. The black kid population is probably only 25% middle to high SES (and some of this 25% is black kids adopted by white neighborhood families). The rest (75%) of the black kids are out of boundary
and lower (to very low) SES. And because it's Janney the the gulf between high and low is HUGE. To buy in AU Park now you have to afford 1.2 million+. The families in the younger grades are all really wealthy--they're no longer even dual feds, they're law partners.
The economic gulf between them and the black kids coming from across the park is massive.

How do you know all the black kid’s SES? Sounds like a lot of prejudging. I have a lot of black friends OOB at Janney. My son’s best friend is black rising 5th. All of his black peers that come to his birthday party come from two HHI families with great jobs. Live in Shepherd Park, Crestwood, 16th St Heights.

There were 736 students at Janney last year. Putting aside race, only 22 students in the entire school were economically disadvantaged, and fewer than 10 students were at risk.

There were ~184 non-white students at Janney. Most of them are not poor.

There is racial bias in education -- because there is racial bias in our society. Period.

If you think "racial bias in education" is the reason for the ABYSMAL average PARCC scores of DC's black kids, you are an enabler and part of the problem.

NP. Racial bias in education does exist, whether or not you want to acknowledge it. It may not be the only reason for the achievement gap, but it's a significant issue in schools across the country. Your refusal to recognize that makes YOU part of the problem.

What is the bias you are referring to exactly? I'm all in ears. I think you are spouting BS, so tell me what you think it is.

You’ve really never heard of this? Well for one, racial bias in schools can manifest in the way teachers and school administrators treat minority kids. It could be by showing favoritism or leniency to white kids over minority kids. For example, AA kids may be disciplined more and given stricter punishments. School policies that apply to “all” students may only affect minority students, etc. It may not happen in all schools, and it doesn’t explain the achievement gap by itself, but it does exist. Have you ever talked with an AA family at your child’s school to find out how they feel about the school? Their child’s experience might be much different from yours. It can be pretty eye opening. And if you still don’t believe me, just Google it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So where is the achievement gap below 40 or 50%?

At Oyster-Adams, the black/white achievement gap in ELA is 12%; however it’s 32% in math.

There is essentially no black/white achievement gap at Ross: 4% in ELA and 0% in Math. DCPS needs to bottle and replicate whatever is going on at Ross!

I wonder—are the black kids at Ross high SES or something? Since we know a lot of this boils down to SES differences?

Probably, but aren’t most of the black kids at Janney, Key, Mann, Murch, etc...also high SES? Those schools all have much larger achievement gaps than Ross.

No. I have 3 kids at Janney. The black kid population is probably only 25% middle to high SES (and some of this 25% is black kids adopted by white neighborhood families). The rest (75%) of the black kids are out of boundary
and lower (to very low) SES. And because it's Janney the the gulf between high and low is HUGE. To buy in AU Park now you have to afford 1.2 million+. The families in the younger grades are all really wealthy--they're no longer even dual feds, they're law partners.
The economic gulf between them and the black kids coming from across the park is massive.

How do you know all the black kid’s SES? Sounds like a lot of prejudging. I have a lot of black friends OOB at Janney. My son’s best friend is black rising 5th. All of his black peers that come to his birthday party come from two HHI families with great jobs. Live in Shepherd Park, Crestwood, 16th St Heights.

There were 736 students at Janney last year. Putting aside race, only 22 students in the entire school were economically disadvantaged, and fewer than 10 students were at risk.

There were ~184 non-white students at Janney. Most of them are not poor.

There is racial bias in education -- because there is racial bias in our society. Period.

If you think "racial bias in education" is the reason for the ABYSMAL average PARCC scores of DC's black kids, you are an enabler and part of the problem.

NP. Racial bias in education does exist, whether or not you want to acknowledge it. It may not be the only reason for the achievement gap, but it's a significant issue in schools across the country. Your refusal to recognize that makes YOU part of the problem.

What is the bias you are referring to exactly? I'm all in ears. I think you are spouting BS, so tell me what you think it is.

You’ve really never heard of this? Well for one, racial bias in schools can manifest in the way teachers and school administrators treat minority kids. It could be by showing favoritism or leniency to white kids over minority kids. For example, AA kids may be disciplined more and given stricter punishments. School policies that apply to “all” students may only affect minority students, etc. It may not happen in all schools, and it doesn’t explain the achievement gap by itself, but it does exist. Have you ever talked with an AA family at your child’s school to find out how they feel about the school? Their child’s experience might be much different from yours. It can be pretty eye opening. And if you still don’t believe me, just Google it.

Don’t feed the trolls.

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Anonymous wrote:So where is the achievement gap below 40 or 50%?

At Oyster-Adams, the black/white achievement gap in ELA is 12%; however it’s 32% in math.

There is essentially no black/white achievement gap at Ross: 4% in ELA and 0% in Math. DCPS needs to bottle and replicate whatever is going on at Ross!

I wonder—are the black kids at Ross high SES or something? Since we know a lot of this boils down to SES differences?

Probably, but aren’t most of the black kids at Janney, Key, Mann, Murch, etc...also high SES? Those schools all have much larger achievement gaps than Ross.

No. I have 3 kids at Janney. The black kid population is probably only 25% middle to high SES (and some of this 25% is black kids adopted by white neighborhood families). The rest (75%) of the black kids are out of boundary
and lower (to very low) SES. And because it's Janney the the gulf between high and low is HUGE. To buy in AU Park now you have to afford 1.2 million+. The families in the younger grades are all really wealthy--they're no longer even dual feds, they're law partners.
The economic gulf between them and the black kids coming from across the park is massive.

How do you know all the black kid’s SES? Sounds like a lot of prejudging. I have a lot of black friends OOB at Janney. My son’s best friend is black rising 5th. All of his black peers that come to his birthday party come from two HHI families with great jobs. Live in Shepherd Park, Crestwood, 16th St Heights.

There were 736 students at Janney last year. Putting aside race, only 22 students in the entire school were economically disadvantaged, and fewer than 10 students were at risk.

There were ~184 non-white students at Janney. Most of them are not poor.

There is racial bias in education -- because there is racial bias in our society. Period.

Mic drop. Thank you. I knew that 75% of the black kids there are poor was BS PP pulled out of her ass and your data confirmed that. Definitely racial bias. And they can’t even see it. My black friend who has a kid at Janney happens to be a doctor and husband a professor. They drive old model cars. I laugh at the fact that PP assumes they are low SES.

How does it feel to be a mentally ill racist?

Huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

How did the school DCPS set up for black men (an idea I am opposed to) fare? While I'm opposed to the idea I am willing to give any new school leeway in the first years.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

How did the school DCPS set up for black men (an idea I am opposed to) fare? While I'm opposed to the idea I am willing to give any new school leeway in the first years.

Not well. 14% ela/ 1% math

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

How did the school DCPS set up for black men (an idea I am opposed to) fare? While I'm opposed to the idea I am willing to give any new school leeway in the first years.

Not well. 14% ela/ 1% math

Recommend witholding judgment until we can see their growth scores. We do not know where these kids started.

KIPP kids mostly start the model in elementary or maybe middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

How did the school DCPS set up for black men (an idea I am opposed to) fare? While I'm opposed to the idea I am willing to give any new school leeway in the first years.

You can see Ron Brown's results here: http://results.osse.dc.gov/school/436

Obviously a ways to go but better scores than Coolidge, Ballou, Anacostia, or Dunbar and on par with Roosevelt and Cardozo.

It's worth noting that they only show results for high schoolers who took geometry--if kids took it in middle school, they wouldn't show up here.

For all the people who feel like DCPS should be doing more to cater to the wishes of high SES families (look at any thread on the cluster) looking at the high school scores shows just how much work DCPS still needs to do with the students who make up a majority of their population.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

How did the school DCPS set up for black men (an idea I am opposed to) fare? While I'm opposed to the idea I am willing to give any new school leeway in the first years.

You can see Ron Brown's results here: http://results.osse.dc.gov/school/436

Obviously a ways to go but better scores than Coolidge, Ballou, Anacostia, or Dunbar and on par with Roosevelt and Cardozo.

It's worth noting that they only show results for high schoolers who took geometry--if kids took it in middle school, they wouldn't show up here.

For all the people who feel like DCPS should be doing more to cater to the wishes of high SES families (look at any thread on the cluster) looking at the high school scores shows just how much work DCPS still needs to do with the students who make up a majority of their population.

I'm not one of those people. I just need a place to look after him while I'm at work. Bonus if he likes school. He sure likes other kids. I'll do the teaching when DC gets home.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

How did the school DCPS set up for black men (an idea I am opposed to) fare? While I'm opposed to the idea I am willing to give any new school leeway in the first years.

You can see Ron Brown's results here: http://results.osse.dc.gov/school/436

Obviously a ways to go but better scores than Coolidge, Ballou, Anacostia, or Dunbar and on par with Roosevelt and Cardozo.

It's worth noting that they only show results for high schoolers who took geometry--if kids took it in middle school, they wouldn't show up here.

For all the people who feel like DCPS should be doing more to cater to the wishes of high SES families (look at any thread on the cluster) looking at the high school scores shows just how much work DCPS still needs to do with the students who make up a majority of their population.

I'm not one of those people. I just need a place to look after him while I'm at work. Bonus if he likes school. He sure likes other kids. I'll do the teaching when DC gets home.

How old is he?