How come right wing people don't have their own Harvards?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a rich Republican donating money. He gave a large sum to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (for vaccines in other countries and for k-12 education in this country that is given out after a mile of red tape and ridiculous self aggrandizing standards are met) and the rest was given to foundations that his own children run. Everything is very controlled which is not something tolerated at the University level.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN19V2QY

Buffett is a R? He has a funny way of showing it .. by saying that rich people should have their taxes raised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another question: why don't Asians have their own Harvards?
They have to money to set up such a school today.
From what they say, there are tons of highly qualified Asian academicians to support the student body and faculty.
This could all happen overnight. Merit based admissions only
Or is it that some people who complain about Harvard, simply do not have the wear with all or the patience to do such a thing? Are the same groups who are complaining about the admission policies too focused on fast money to pay attention to slower paced academics?

This is like collecting money from everyone at work for a potluck or lunch and when people who paid in show up for lunch, telling certain people - but not all - why don't you get your own lunch elsewhere?

[Anonymous]

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I believe in climate change. It's been going on for millions of years. I just don't believe I'm causing it.

All reputable scientists believe man is making climate change worse. Yes, climate change is natural, but human beings are making it happen at an exponential rate.

Many reputable scientists signed a letter regarding Trump and his anti-science stance. Trump and his supporters have no respect for science, don't understand it, don't want to acknowledge it (partly probably because they don't understand it). They don't want to acknowledge science and all these "fake news" science because it would mean acknowledging their ignorance, kind of like you are doing here.

"March for Science" has NEVER occurred under any other R POTUS, except Trump.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/apr/25/americas-best-scientists-stood-up-to-the-trump-administration

I think you only believe in science in so far as it doesn't impact your pocket book. A true Trumpster.

There are conservatives like McCain, and then there are "conservatives" like Trump and Trumpsters. Folks like McCain and Bush never involved themselves in affirmative action in colleges. Trump is the only R POTUS in recent history to do this. Why?

I am not a fan of affirmative action, but, I understand why we have it, and that diversity can bring a different perspective into intelligent discourse. Notice how Harvard does not deny entrance to conservative white males.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another question: why don't Asians have their own Harvards?
They have to money to set up such a school today.
From what they say, there are tons of highly qualified Asian academicians to support the student body and faculty.
This could all happen overnight. Merit based admissions only
Or is it that some people who complain about Harvard, simply do not have the wear with all or the patience to do such a thing? Are the same groups who are complaining about the admission policies too focused on fast money to pay attention to slower paced academics?

This is like collecting money from everyone at work for a potluck or lunch and when people who paid in show up for lunch, telling certain people - but not all - why don't you get your own lunch elsewhere?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another question: why don't Asians have their own Harvards?
They have to money to set up such a school today.
From what they say, there are tons of highly qualified Asian academicians to support the student body and faculty.
This could all happen overnight. Merit based admissions only
Or is it that some people who complain about Harvard, simply do not have the wear with all or the patience to do such a thing? Are the same groups who are complaining about the admission policies too focused on fast money to pay attention to slower paced academics?

This is like collecting money from everyone at work for a potluck or lunch and when people who paid in show up for lunch, telling certain people - but not all - why don't you get your own lunch elsewhere?

No.. this is like saying, "why don't those black folks (and Asians and Hispanics) stick to their own schools and pools and water fountains. Why do they demand integration?"

In case that ^^PP is not aware, not that long ago, Asians, like Blacks and Hispanics, were not allowed to be educated in the same schools as whites.

Also, creating your own university based on political and ideological beliefs is one thing, but telling an entire race of Americans to create your own university if you don't like how the current system is setup is pretty dam* racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another question: why don't Asians have their own Harvards?
They have to money to set up such a school today.
From what they say, there are tons of highly qualified Asian academicians to support the student body and faculty.
This could all happen overnight. Merit based admissions only
Or is it that some people who complain about Harvard, simply do not have the wear with all or the patience to do such a thing? Are the same groups who are complaining about the admission policies too focused on fast money to pay attention to slower paced academics?

They don't have to. They just use the system to over turn affirmative action. See prop 209 in CA.

It should occur to people that cut throat individuals, who study all day long, to get into elite universities, to make ons of money, to give nothing back are exactly what HYP does not want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another question: why don't Asians have their own Harvards?
They have to money to set up such a school today.
From what they say, there are tons of highly qualified Asian academicians to support the student body and faculty.
This could all happen overnight. Merit based admissions only
Or is it that some people who complain about Harvard, simply do not have the wear with all or the patience to do such a thing? Are the same groups who are complaining about the admission policies too focused on fast money to pay attention to slower paced academics?

Asians pay tax like everyone else to support grants and research money that's being poured into Harvard every year. WTF are you talking about? If you want to be like David Duke and have only your kind of folks at Harvard - all the while taking money in from everyone else in the country - GTFOH.

The would still get grants at their top flight school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I believe in climate change. It's been going on for millions of years. I just don't believe I'm causing it.

All reputable scientists believe man is making climate change worse. Yes, climate change is natural, but human beings are making it happen at an exponential rate.

Many reputable scientists signed a letter regarding Trump and his anti-science stance. Trump and his supporters have no respect for science, don't understand it, don't want to acknowledge it (partly probably because they don't understand it). They don't want to acknowledge science and all these "fake news" science because it would mean acknowledging their ignorance, kind of like you are doing here.

"March for Science" has NEVER occurred under any other R POTUS, except Trump.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/apr/25/americas-best-scientists-stood-up-to-the-trump-administration

I think you only believe in science in so far as it doesn't impact your pocket book. A true Trumpster.

There are conservatives like McCain, and then there are "conservatives" like Trump and Trumpsters. Folks like McCain and Bush never involved themselves in affirmative action in colleges. Trump is the only R POTUS in recent history to do this. Why?

I am not a fan of affirmative action, but, I understand why we have it, and that diversity can bring a different perspective into intelligent discourse. Notice how Harvard does not deny entrance to conservative white males.

Diversity can bring a different perspective into intelligent discourse? Really? Diversity as in white surgeon's son or daughter from 1% HHI living in a 1% area hanging with black or hispanic surgeon's son or daughter from 1% HHI from a 1% area sure does sound "diverse." They can discuss their private school education, Lamborghini, European vacations...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

This is just so astonishingly wrong! Conservatives believe primarily in the original constitutional/separation of powers that gives more power to the states and less to the federal government. Once you understand that, everything falls into place. Abortion, school education, gay marriage = all should be handled by the states and not the bloated federal government. The fifty states are supposed to be incubators working on issues to the best they can and to please their own state voters. The federal government is not supposed to be this big bloated inefficient bureaucracy. The federal government is supposed to be in control of only what the states cannot handle: postage, U.S. postal service, minimal federal taxation to keep a small federal government going, and raising an army. Many agencies should not even exist (many were created by Carter) because the states should be handling these issues on their own. Conservatives DO like change, which is why some of the changes Trump is making (cutting taxes, cutting agency spending, streamlining agencies) are in line with conservative thought. We must end the debt or at least become responsible about it. I have never heard a conservative say they don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs - that's nonsense. What they don't like is that the current burden of taxation has sent many American companies overseas. Bringing them back has nothing to do with automation and it's necessary to create jobs in the USA. Of course they want to treat women equally. I am one (although not a Trumper) I've had a brilliant career - no conservative has ever said they don't want women treated equally. And of course we don't want teens "to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools". Where is that from? What we don't want is the federal government ordering public schools in the states as to what they should do. State and County public schools make those decisions in line with what the voters want. And besides, we all had sex ed in school even if we are "old" by DCUM standards and had it back in the 70s, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's unthinking statements like PP that just shows how wrong civics education has become in this country and how ignorant the left is about what conservatism is all about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

This is just so astonishingly wrong! Conservatives believe primarily in the original constitutional/separation of powers that gives more power to the states and less to the federal government. Once you understand that, everything falls into place. Abortion, school education, gay marriage = all should be handled by the states and not the bloated federal government. The fifty states are supposed to be incubators working on issues to the best they can and to please their own state voters. The federal government is not supposed to be this big bloated inefficient bureaucracy. The federal government is supposed to be in control of only what the states cannot handle: postage, U.S. postal service, minimal federal taxation to keep a small federal government going, and raising an army. Many agencies should not even exist (many were created by Carter) because the states should be handling these issues on their own. Conservatives DO like change, which is why some of the changes Trump is making (cutting taxes, cutting agency spending, streamlining agencies) are in line with conservative thought. We must end the debt or at least become responsible about it. I have never heard a conservative say they don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs - that's nonsense. What they don't like is that the current burden of taxation has sent many American companies overseas. Bringing them back has nothing to do with automation and it's necessary to create jobs in the USA. Of course they want to treat women equally. I am one (although not a Trumper) I've had a brilliant career - no conservative has ever said they don't want women treated equally. And of course we don't want teens "to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools". Where is that from? What we don't want is the federal government ordering public schools in the states as to what they should do. State and County public schools make those decisions in line with what the voters want. And besides, we all had sex ed in school even if we are "old" by DCUM standards and had it back in the 70s, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's unthinking statements like PP that just shows how wrong civics education has become in this country and how ignorant the left is about what conservatism is all about.

So in your perfect world slavery would still be a state by state decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

This is just so astonishingly wrong! Conservatives believe primarily in the original constitutional/separation of powers that gives more power to the states and less to the federal government. Once you understand that, everything falls into place. Abortion, school education, gay marriage = all should be handled by the states and not the bloated federal government. The fifty states are supposed to be incubators working on issues to the best they can and to please their own state voters. The federal government is not supposed to be this big bloated inefficient bureaucracy. The federal government is supposed to be in control of only what the states cannot handle: postage, U.S. postal service, minimal federal taxation to keep a small federal government going, and raising an army. Many agencies should not even exist (many were created by Carter) because the states should be handling these issues on their own. Conservatives DO like change, which is why some of the changes Trump is making (cutting taxes, cutting agency spending, streamlining agencies) are in line with conservative thought. We must end the debt or at least become responsible about it. I have never heard a conservative say they don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs - that's nonsense. What they don't like is that the current burden of taxation has sent many American companies overseas. Bringing them back has nothing to do with automation and it's necessary to create jobs in the USA. Of course they want to treat women equally. I am one (although not a Trumper) I've had a brilliant career - no conservative has ever said they don't want women treated equally. And of course we don't want teens "to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools". Where is that from? What we don't want is the federal government ordering public schools in the states as to what they should do. State and County public schools make those decisions in line with what the voters want. And besides, we all had sex ed in school even if we are "old" by DCUM standards and had it back in the 70s, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's unthinking statements like PP that just shows how wrong civics education has become in this country and how ignorant the left is about what conservatism is all about.

So in your perfect world slavery would still be a state by state decision.

Slavery, Jim Crow laws were enforced by state and local laws. In the perfect world, gov't - whether federal, state, local - has no such role. It would be a minimal state, night watchman state. Such gov't, whether federal, state, or local, would have no business enforcing slavery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there something about their way of thinking that makes it impossible to recruit the brightest and the best?
All this talk about affirmative action would be trivial if the right had really good schools of their own.

Harvard was in fact built by those horrible Christian white male right wingers.

Like most of the other universities worldwide.

It's just a recent phenomenon that leftie parasites who can't build anything on their own have, well, become Harvard parasites.

The question is, how long will Harvard survive like this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there something about their way of thinking that makes it impossible to recruit the brightest and the best?
All this talk about affirmative action would be trivial if the right had really good schools of their own.

Harvard was in fact built by those horrible Christian white male right wingers.

Like most of the other universities worldwide.

It's just a recent phenomenon that leftie parasites who can't build anything on their own have, well, become Harvard parasites.

The question is, how long will Harvard survive like this?

Is there something about lefties way of thinking that makes it impossible to recruit the brightest and the best?
All this talk would be trivial if the lefties, e.g., Marxists, New Lefts, socialists, socialist democrats, had really good schools of their own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

This is just so astonishingly wrong! Conservatives believe primarily in the original constitutional/separation of powers that gives more power to the states and less to the federal government. Once you understand that, everything falls into place. Abortion, school education, gay marriage = all should be handled by the states and not the bloated federal government. The fifty states are supposed to be incubators working on issues to the best they can and to please their own state voters. The federal government is not supposed to be this big bloated inefficient bureaucracy. The federal government is supposed to be in control of only what the states cannot handle: postage, U.S. postal service, minimal federal taxation to keep a small federal government going, and raising an army. Many agencies should not even exist (many were created by Carter) because the states should be handling these issues on their own. Conservatives DO like change, which is why some of the changes Trump is making (cutting taxes, cutting agency spending, streamlining agencies) are in line with conservative thought. We must end the debt or at least become responsible about it. I have never heard a conservative say they don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs - that's nonsense. What they don't like is that the current burden of taxation has sent many American companies overseas. Bringing them back has nothing to do with automation and it's necessary to create jobs in the USA. Of course they want to treat women equally. I am one (although not a Trumper) I've had a brilliant career - no conservative has ever said they don't want women treated equally. And of course we don't want teens "to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools". Where is that from? What we don't want is the federal government ordering public schools in the states as to what they should do. State and County public schools make those decisions in line with what the voters want. And besides, we all had sex ed in school even if we are "old" by DCUM standards and had it back in the 70s, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's unthinking statements like PP that just shows how wrong civics education has become in this country and how ignorant the left is about what conservatism is all about.

So in your perfect world slavery would still be a state by state decision.

Slavery, Jim Crow laws were enforced by state and local laws. In the perfect world, gov't - whether federal, state, local - has no such role. It would be a minimal state, night watchman state. Such gov't, whether federal, state, or local, would have no business enforcing slavery.

Aren’t governments supposed to protect property rights?