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Anonymous
| Affirmative action is a great thing, I really believe that. Trying to stop others on DCUM from mentioning it exists, or gloating over it - not so much.... |
Anonymous
| The context of her response implied that admission of her daughter was untimely ripped from her by an athlete or African American...what about another normal white kid with higher grades, more significant accomplishments and an athlete to boot. What a preposterous assumption to make! Think of the super qualified Jews, AAs, and others historically denied entry to the Ivy League for decades. |
Anonymous
| Of course affirmative action exists. It has always existed. Before affirmative action for the denied there was affirmative action for those from NE prep schools, for the clergy and for the legacies (> 100 year history). |
Anonymous
| Neither of us is her, so neither of us can say for sure. But I think she was comparing *equally* academically qualified kids, some with preferences and some without. I didn't see entitlement, that her kid somehow "deserved" a spot over equally qualified kids, at all. I did, however, see the gloating mom as trying to shut the discussion down. If you can point to a line I missed, where the first mom claims her kid is more deserving than others, then I'm happy to be persuaded. |
Anonymous
Interesting, somebody from Sidwell posted the same thing a fee weeks ago. |
Anonymous
| Simply affirms that affirmatve action is rampant. It's been around since the founding of universities that make up the Ivy League. |
Anonymous
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Gloating mom wasn't trying to shut down the discussion, because nobody had picked up on the other mom's point until she did. It's just that there seems to be a rule on DCUM that if you even mention affirmative action, unless it's the George Bush kind, then somebody has to slam you. Which even as a supporter of affirmative action I find hard to justify.
Yes, affirmative action has a long history, I agree! |
Anonymous
| Admittedly, I ,too, would be upset if I thought I was paying for a "private school Ivy admission entitlement," and my child did not get in. |
Anonymous
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Arguably, you could construe the Ivy admissions stats on the privates' web pages (except for Sidwell's) as advertising that "your kid can go to the Ivies too". However, previous posters have claimed that the college counselors choose who gets to apply and who they will back. We haven't reach the college application phase yet, but we did see this in our private elementary as people applied to different middle and high schools.
If there's some truth in this, then trumpeting of Ivy admissions appears a bit like a bait and switch.... |
Anonymous
| No surprise here. This is common knowledge. Certainly was in the NE prep school I attended decades ago. |
Anonymous
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22:03
Neither of us is her, so neither of us can say for sure. But I think she was comparing *equally* academically qualified kids, some with preferences and some without. I didn't see entitlement, that her kid somehow "deserved" a spot over equally qualified kids, at all. I did, however, see the gloating mom as trying to shut the discussion down. If you can point to a line I missed, where the first mom claims her kid is more deserving than others, then I'm happy to be persuaded. THANK YOU! No, I wasn't saying my kid was entitled -- I'm just trying to tell people not to expect certain things and to state what the current state of admissions is like. Honestly, the Ivies can take whomever they want. They have only about a 9% admissions rate. I'm saying if a kid is not a recruited athlete; not a member of an under-represented population; not a legacy; not a musical star or a CEO of his own start-up business -- then they have a rat's chance of getting accepted even with perfect scores, grades, recs, ECs, etc. |
Anonymous
| The last paragraph |
Anonymous
| I agree with PP. My child actually was a recruited athlete and went to STA. We are well-aware he didn't have as high of SAT scores/grades as many of the rejected kids. That because as PP said..."Ivies can take whoever they want". Like any other business, they want "value-add". Yes, not only do they want someone who is really smart...they want a "two-fer" -- someone who will also add value on the sport fields or in drama or in running all of their non-profit ventures. I don't know if many other dads read these posts -- but I think some of these moms really rammed this woman unfairly...she's just stating the facts. Sometimes the facts aren't wrapped in politically correct little packages. I am well-aware several parents did not like my son since he was chosen over theirs. |
Anonymous
| Hell, that last statement applies to all. My AA niece that captained both soccer and basketball teams at an elite NY private school, speaks Chinese and Japanese (studied from middle through high school) with stellar grades, APs and test scores did not get into Ivy (Yale and Harvard). She ultimately choose MIT over Swarthmore (like Davidson). But, her parents aren't moaning over the "normal Whites" with less academic accomplishment who got into Yale and Harvard over their daughter. I do agree with you though that when a school's selectivity is 8 percent there are many students White, AA and athletic who may not get in even with perfect SAT scores and a baker's dozen APs credits. Wake up and smell the roses! |
Anonymous
| I agree with 10:50 (PP). My daughter started her own foundation and won several national awards and was mentioned in several national magazines. Well, she was accepted into the Ivies over some kids at her elite private school (NCS) who had better grades, SATs, etc. If all the Ivies wanted were high SAT/perfect GPAs -- they could fill their classes ten-fold. But then, the Ivies would have no sports teams; no plays; no renowned charitable efforts. The man is right... they want "value-add". Many people refuse to believe Ivies are big businesses...they are just like any other businesses...they want to be the best in everything. To the mom who wrote that the Ivies don't want a boring old white kid with perfect grades/SATs -- she was spot-on. The Ivies still feel very guilty about not opening their doors to minorities, lower class kids, Jewish kids, etc. They try to make up for their sordid histories. And yes, that means under-repsented kids fare better than their white counterparts with equal qualifications. |