Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The double standard left continues to amaze me. Code of Conduct and Free speech are two different things.

Freedom of speech means from government censorship and persecution. It does not mean freedom from the consequences of one's speech. Employees are representatives of the companies they work for, especially when they publicly identify themselves as such. Google has the right to choose who represents them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The double standard left continues to amaze me. Code of Conduct and Free speech are two different things.

Freedom of speech means from government censorship and persecution. It does not mean freedom from the consequences of one's speech. Employees are representatives of the companies they work for, especially when they publicly identify themselves as such. Google has the right to choose who represents them.

Even if Google were a government agency, disruptive, biased speech is not protected against punishment. Government employers are subject to anti-discrimination laws, and government employees do not have a 1st Amendment right to say whatever they want to coworkers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i have an engineering degree. which i never use, but my parents made me get it. it backfired, not only on them but it basically ruined my career.

i am very good at math and my whole life i have been pressured to do stuff that is related to math. i hate computers, and hate sitting behind one all day long. but even after doing a 180 i am still here, stuck at the computer. it's infuriating.

i don't know who are these women who are discouraged from math. everyone in the US is told that math is easy and fun anyways. and compared to engineering and computer science (shudder) it is. no sensible person wants to be a programmer, it's incredibly boring and not really all that well paid. that these programming google jobs are held as something desirable is beyond me. i would rather eat my shoes than get one.

I will care when they push to get 50% males in HR and recruiting departments. These are basically owned by women.

Recently in the job market, recruiters are overwhelmingly male.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a cousin whose husband works at Google and he expresses similar sentiments to the person who wrote the memo- he thinks the women and black people at Google are less qualified than he is and only got there because of diversity initiatives. He's not particularly shy about it and I am sure that a lot of men at Google feel the same. The company created a forum for employees to discuss and express themselves, and then fires someone for doing so. Yes, his opinion is wrong, and shitty, but it is obvious that there are a lot of shitty people at Google despite its trying-too-hard efforts to be seen as a "nice" place where everyone codes and plays ping pong and gives each other high-fives all day.

Jerks have to work too. And the writer did not use particularly invective language, he was just giving voice to a sentiment that a lot of people at the company have. Instead of working to change the culture, they fired him, because that's a lot easier, and now all the smart misogynists will know to keep their mouths shut.

It's preferable that they keep their mouths shut. And it's perfectly legitimate to fire someone for being an inappropriate jerk to coworkers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i have an engineering degree. which i never use, but my parents made me get it. it backfired, not only on them but it basically ruined my career.

i am very good at math and my whole life i have been pressured to do stuff that is related to math. i hate computers, and hate sitting behind one all day long. but even after doing a 180 i am still here, stuck at the computer. it's infuriating.

i don't know who are these women who are discouraged from math. everyone in the US is told that math is easy and fun anyways. and compared to engineering and computer science (shudder) it is. no sensible person wants to be a programmer, it's incredibly boring and not really all that well paid. that these programming google jobs are held as something desirable is beyond me. i would rather eat my shoes than get one.

I will care when they push to get 50% males in HR and recruiting departments. These are basically owned by women.

Recently in the job market, recruiters are overwhelmingly male.

facts don't back you up

Bradley Ruffle recently noted via a comment on this post that they expanded their initial survey to 208 companies.91% of these recruiters were female (with the majority still being single and under 30 years old). More than half were working at employment agencies, while the rest were at companies doing internal hiring. Recruiters were predominantly female in banking, budgeting, chartered, accountancy, finance, accounts management, industrial engineering, computer programming, senior sales, junior sales, and customer service.

http://staffingtalk.com/why-most-recruiters-female/

73% of HUman Resource Managers are female

https://jebkinnison.com/2016/08/10/death-by-hr-who-staffs-hr-departments-mostly-women/bls-hr-stats/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The double standard left continues to amaze me. Code of Conduct and Free speech are two different things.

Freedom of speech means from government censorship and persecution. It does not mean freedom from the consequences of one's speech. Employees are representatives of the companies they work for, especially when they publicly identify themselves as such. Google has the right to choose who represents them.

Even if Google were a government agency, disruptive, biased speech is not protected against punishment. Government employers are subject to anti-discrimination laws, and government employees do not have a 1st Amendment right to say whatever they want to coworkers.

This! If I write something that is different than the core principals of my company, it may affect my ability to get promoted, but should never be a reason for being fired. This code of conduct has nothing to do with expressing oneself in a blog forum. Google will regret this in the PC world, as it goes both ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assume most people have seen this by now if not google

Curious on thoughts of individuals

Are there actual differences between males and females?

How much should companies push for diversity (sexual, racial, etc)?

For something like coding does race/sex matter at all shouldn't you just higher the best coders period?

Remember folks, this is the company that pleads for more low skilled entry level IT workers, because they can't find enough qualified IT workers, yet their average age is 27!!!

So far, 269 people have joined a class-action lawsuit against Google claiming they were discriminated against in the workplace based on their age. The scope of the lawsuit against Alphabet's Google division was revealed in a ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Howard Lloyd and follows what he referred to as a “lengthy” hearing that took place in a San Jose on July 26.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2017/08/01/google-age-discrimination-lawsuit-class-action.html

and the democrats take it up the rear from Google to get their money. so sad!

agism is the norm in tech industries. They need to hire young compliant H1Bs from foreign lands. can't hire middle age US citizens. That would be benefit our culture. stupid and racist!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assume most people have seen this by now if not google

Curious on thoughts of individuals

Are there actual differences between males and females?

How much should companies push for diversity (sexual, racial, etc)?

For something like coding does race/sex matter at all shouldn't you just higher the best coders period?

Remember folks, this is the company that pleads for more low skilled entry level IT workers, because they can't find enough qualified IT workers, yet their average age is 27!!!

So far, 269 people have joined a class-action lawsuit against Google claiming they were discriminated against in the workplace based on their age. The scope of the lawsuit against Alphabet's Google division was revealed in a ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Howard Lloyd and follows what he referred to as a “lengthy” hearing that took place in a San Jose on July 26.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2017/08/01/google-age-discrimination-lawsuit-class-action.html

and the democrats take it up the rear from Google to get their money. so sad!

Tech in general discriminates against age. But honestly, there are a lot of people who do not keep current.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i have an engineering degree. which i never use, but my parents made me get it. it backfired, not only on them but it basically ruined my career.

i am very good at math and my whole life i have been pressured to do stuff that is related to math. i hate computers, and hate sitting behind one all day long. but even after doing a 180 i am still here, stuck at the computer. it's infuriating.

i don't know who are these women who are discouraged from math. everyone in the US is told that math is easy and fun anyways. and compared to engineering and computer science (shudder) it is. no sensible person wants to be a programmer, it's incredibly boring and not really all that well paid. that these programming google jobs are held as something desirable is beyond me. i would rather eat my shoes than get one.

I will care when they push to get 50% males in HR and recruiting departments. These are basically owned by women.

Recently in the job market, recruiters are overwhelmingly male.

facts don't back you up

Bradley Ruffle recently noted via a comment on this post that they expanded their initial survey to 208 companies.91% of these recruiters were female (with the majority still being single and under 30 years old). More than half were working at employment agencies, while the rest were at companies doing internal hiring. Recruiters were predominantly female in banking, budgeting, chartered, accountancy, finance, accounts management, industrial engineering, computer programming, senior sales, junior sales, and customer service.

http://staffingtalk.com/why-most-recruiters-female/

73% of HUman Resource Managers are female

https://jebkinnison.com/2016/08/10/death-by-hr-who-staffs-hr-departments-mostly-women/bls-hr-stats/

SO what?! Boohoo there are a couple of industries that men don't completely dominate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assume most people have seen this by now if not google

Curious on thoughts of individuals

Are there actual differences between males and females?

How much should companies push for diversity (sexual, racial, etc)?

For something like coding does race/sex matter at all shouldn't you just higher the best coders period?

Remember folks, this is the company that pleads for more low skilled entry level IT workers, because they can't find enough qualified IT workers, yet their average age is 27!!!

So far, 269 people have joined a class-action lawsuit against Google claiming they were discriminated against in the workplace based on their age. The scope of the lawsuit against Alphabet's Google division was revealed in a ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Howard Lloyd and follows what he referred to as a “lengthy” hearing that took place in a San Jose on July 26.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2017/08/01/google-age-discrimination-lawsuit-class-action.html

and the democrats take it up the rear from Google to get their money. so sad!

Tech in general discriminates against age. But honestly, there are a lot of people who do not keep current.

Ugh cmon guys. I can find a code monkey that is just as good as you for half the salary.

Coding is pretty much a commodity at this point. If you don't specialize or go into management you can't command a 6 figure salary when people can do it just as well for half that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
This! If I write something that is different than the core principals of my company, it may affect my ability to get promoted, but should never be a reason for being fired. This code of conduct has nothing to do with expressing oneself in a blog forum. Google will regret this in the PC world, as it goes both ways.

False. If you write and share a document, on a company forum, that creates or promotes a hostile work environment impacting members of a protected class (in this case, women), you should be fired. This person has shared with the company that he is unable to supervise or participate in a peer review process for his female coworkers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This! If I write something that is different than the core principals of my company, it may affect my ability to get promoted, but should never be a reason for being fired. This code of conduct has nothing to do with expressing oneself in a blog forum. Google will regret this in the PC world, as it goes both ways.

False. If you write and share a document, on a company forum, that creates or promotes a hostile work environment impacting members of a protected class (in this case, women), you should be fired. This person has shared with the company that he is unable to supervise or participate in a peer review process for his female coworkers.

Exactly. He is stating he basically cannot fairly assess coworkers, which means he can't do his job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The double standard left continues to amaze me. Code of Conduct and Free speech are two different things.

Freedom of speech means from government censorship and persecution. It does not mean freedom from the consequences of one's speech. Employees are representatives of the companies they work for, especially when they publicly identify themselves as such. Google has the right to choose who represents them.

Even if Google were a government agency, disruptive, biased speech is not protected against punishment. Government employers are subject to anti-discrimination laws, and government employees do not have a 1st Amendment right to say whatever they want to coworkers.

This! If I write something that is different than the core principals of my company, it may affect my ability to get promoted, but should never be a reason for being fired. This code of conduct has nothing to do with expressing oneself in a blog forum. Google will regret this in the PC world, as it goes both ways.

What? no. If you write a prejudiced screed that contributes to a hostile work environment for your co-workers, that's justification for getting fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The double standard left continues to amaze me. Code of Conduct and Free speech are two different things.

Freedom of speech means from government censorship and persecution. It does not mean freedom from the consequences of one's speech. Employees are representatives of the companies they work for, especially when they publicly identify themselves as such. Google has the right to choose who represents them.

Even if Google were a government agency, disruptive, biased speech is not protected against punishment. Government employers are subject to anti-discrimination laws, and government employees do not have a 1st Amendment right to say whatever they want to coworkers.

This! If I write something that is different than the core principals of my company, it may affect my ability to get promoted, but should never be a reason for being fired. This code of conduct has nothing to do with expressing oneself in a blog forum. Google will regret this in the PC world, as it goes both ways.

What? no. If you write a prejudiced screed that contributes to a hostile work environment for your co-workers, that's justification for getting fired.

No. That's ridiculous. White men are above the law. Haven't you been paying attention since January? They have special snowflake protection.

[Anonymous]

What I find remarkable about all of this is just how much of an entitled snowflake this guy is. Why does he think he's entitled to post a rant using work resources about the qualifications of his co-workers and expect to have no consequences? It reeks of spoiled behavior.