Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?

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Why is this even a question? You know whether or not you're Hispanic.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this even a question? You know whether or not you're Hispanic.

Yep.

Same as President Obama knows he's biracial.

Oh, wait.

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Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

What a funny question. Do you think all black (or Asian) students join the black-based organizations approaching them?

Of course not, if you have no interest, that's perfectly fine. But, if you're dumbfounded as to why these groups are reaching out, well that says something.

These organizations will have your name btw because of how you identified on your application.

Well, you'd have to be pretty dumb to be dumbfounded, especially with such a broad category as Hispanic is. Remember, it's an ethnicity, not a race, and every Latino/s knows a dozen options for someone to be "White, reddish hair. Spanish surname" and perfectly Hispanic/ Latino.

Believe it or not, but skin color, or hair color, is pretty much irrelevant to us.

Asians can have Hispanic surnames. Is your red-headed friend Hispanic or not? Yes there is no universal look, however your first post implies you believe it's a white person trying to game the system. Otherwise why would you post this?

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Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

What a funny question. Do you think all black (or Asian) students join the black-based organizations approaching them?

Of course not, if you have no interest, that's perfectly fine. But, if you're dumbfounded as to why these groups are reaching out, well that says something.

These organizations will have your name btw because of how you identified on your application.

Well, you'd have to be pretty dumb to be dumbfounded, especially with such a broad category as Hispanic is. Remember, it's an ethnicity, not a race, and every Latino/s knows a dozen options for someone to be "White, reddish hair. Spanish surname" and perfectly Hispanic/ Latino.

Believe it or not, but skin color, or hair color, is pretty much irrelevant to us.

Asians can have Hispanic surnames. Is your red-headed friend Hispanic or not? Yes there is no universal look, however your first post implies you believe it's a white person trying to game the system. Otherwise why would you post this?

+1.

Btw, you could also be both Asian and Hispanic, like a good number of Filipinos are.

This whole racial/ ethnic classification system makes no sense in the 21st century.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!

+1. I can't believe you are considering checking "Hispanic." DW's parents are from South America and they speak Spanish fluently but they're European one generation before that and are all educated professionals with a long family history of such. She would never check Hispanic because it's not what the box is there for. I work in academia and also agree that an application with a German last name checking Hispanic is likely to seriously get my derision, legal or not. And even if your last name is "Garcia" and you show up looking Giselle Bunschen or Albert Einstein (many physicists or their parents were refugees to South America who, like Einstein, fled the Nazis in Europe), I will not be impressed either.
Don't make yourself or your children into an Elizabeth Warren style joke. There are real students who are the first in their family to go to college or that suffered as a result of the political upheavals in Latin America. Admissions are looking for them to create diversity. Are they looking for you?

I'm a middle-aged Cuban-American. About half my relatives are blonde with light eyes. Many of our parents were college-educated, some with grad degrees. They were political refugees and left their country with the clothes on their backs.

Our story is not the same as that of poor Mexicans or Guatemalans, descendant from indigenous. Nor is it the same as a poor Brazilian, descendant from slaves. Nor is it the same as a Colombian, who fled because of war. But the category "Hispanic/ Latino" is very, very wide and we can all legitimately lay claim to it. I wouldn't check it if it were not the way I identify. I speak the language and share that culture and have always identified as Hispanic. But there are college-educated Hispanics and there are white Hispanics.

People have such a limited understanding of how genetics work these days. If your genetically Cuban off spring with light hair and eyes have children with others with light hair and eyes, all offspring will be pale with blue eyes because they are recessive genetics. Even though they are Cuban. And "Hispanic" -- it is a pretty broad term.

.?? Not sure why you think someone doesn't understand genetics ...

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I don't know if Filipinos consider themselves Hispanic?

Other than the Catholic faith and surnames the legacy of Spain in the Philippines is pretty minor now. Practically no Spanish is spoken. Tagalog is the language and the educated Filipinos also speak English. They don't have the Latino culture.

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Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

What a funny question. Do you think all black (or Asian) students join the black-based organizations approaching them?

Of course not, if you have no interest, that's perfectly fine. But, if you're dumbfounded as to why these groups are reaching out, well that says something.

These organizations will have your name btw because of how you identified on your application.

Well, you'd have to be pretty dumb to be dumbfounded, especially with such a broad category as Hispanic is. Remember, it's an ethnicity, not a race, and every Latino/s knows a dozen options for someone to be "White, reddish hair. Spanish surname" and perfectly Hispanic/ Latino.

Believe it or not, but skin color, or hair color, is pretty much irrelevant to us.

Asians can have Hispanic surnames. Is your red-headed friend Hispanic or not? Yes there is no universal look, however your first post implies you believe it's a white person trying to game the system. Otherwise why would you post this?

+1.

Btw, you could also be both Asian and Hispanic, like a good number of Filipinos are.

This whole racial/ ethnic classification system makes no sense in the 21st century.

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I didn't say all Filipinos. I said a good number of them -- and I know because I've met them.

Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDVTkPV8Lf4

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if Filipinos consider themselves Hispanic?

Other than the Catholic faith and surnames the legacy of Spain in the Philippines is pretty minor now. Practically no Spanish is spoken. Tagalog is the language and the educated Filipinos also speak English. They don't have the Latino culture.

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Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

What a funny question. Do you think all black (or Asian) students join the black-based organizations approaching them?

Of course not, if you have no interest, that's perfectly fine. But, if you're dumbfounded as to why these groups are reaching out, well that says something.

These organizations will have your name btw because of how you identified on your application.

Well, you'd have to be pretty dumb to be dumbfounded, especially with such a broad category as Hispanic is. Remember, it's an ethnicity, not a race, and every Latino/s knows a dozen options for someone to be "White, reddish hair. Spanish surname" and perfectly Hispanic/ Latino.

Believe it or not, but skin color, or hair color, is pretty much irrelevant to us.

Asians can have Hispanic surnames. Is your red-headed friend Hispanic or not? Yes there is no universal look, however your first post implies you believe it's a white person trying to game the system. Otherwise why would you post this?

+1.

Btw, you could also be both Asian and Hispanic, like a good number of Filipinos are.

This whole racial/ ethnic classification system makes no sense in the 21st century.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!

+1. I can't believe you are considering checking "Hispanic." DW's parents are from South America and they speak Spanish fluently but they're European one generation before that and are all educated professionals with a long family history of such. She would never check Hispanic because it's not what the box is there for. I work in academia and also agree that an application with a German last name checking Hispanic is likely to seriously get my derision, legal or not. And even if your last name is "Garcia" and you show up looking Giselle Bunschen or Albert Einstein (many physicists or their parents were refugees to South America who, like Einstein, fled the Nazis in Europe), I will not be impressed either.
Don't make yourself or your children into an Elizabeth Warren style joke. There are real students who are the first in their family to go to college or that suffered as a result of the political upheavals in Latin America. Admissions are looking for them to create diversity. Are they looking for you?

I'm a middle-aged Cuban-American. About half my relatives are blonde with light eyes. Many of our parents were college-educated, some with grad degrees. They were political refugees and left their country with the clothes on their backs.

Our story is not the same as that of poor Mexicans or Guatemalans, descendant from indigenous. Nor is it the same as a poor Brazilian, descendant from slaves. Nor is it the same as a Colombian, who fled because of war. But the category "Hispanic/ Latino" is very, very wide and we can all legitimately lay claim to it. I wouldn't check it if it were not the way I identify. I speak the language and share that culture and have always identified as Hispanic. But there are college-educated Hispanics and there are white Hispanics.

People have such a limited understanding of how genetics work these days. If your genetically Cuban off spring with light hair and eyes have children with others with light hair and eyes, all offspring will be pale with blue eyes because they are recessive genetics. Even though they are Cuban. And "Hispanic" -- it is a pretty broad term.

.?? Not sure why you think someone doesn't understand genetics ...

Because so many morons

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are 25% Hispanic and you bet I fill that out on their paperwork.

I would.

My ex-boyfriend did. It helped him get into college and law school. He doesn't speak a word of Spanish and he was raised by his white mother with little interference or contact with his 1/2 Cuban father.

He's still 1/4 Cuban.

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I'm a black woman, and upon looking at me, most would see a black woman. However, my ancestry is 1/3 European. Will I be treated as such? I think the OP knows the answer to her question.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a black woman, and upon looking at me, most would see a black woman. However, my ancestry is 1/3 European. Will I be treated as such? I think the OP knows the answer to her question.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between race and ethnicity.

There are black Hispanics.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are 25% Hispanic and you bet I fill that out on their paperwork.

I would.

My ex-boyfriend did. It helped him get into college and law school. He doesn't speak a word of Spanish and he was raised by his white mother with little interference or contact with his 1/2 Cuban father.

He's still 1/4 Cuban.

How do you know this?

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Anonymous wrote:No joke.... my DH's friend's DD is going to Duke (in a medical graduate program) on a full scholarship b/c her grandmother is from Paraguay. She (student) has a German last name and has lived in the US or Canada her whole life. The only reason she got the scholarship is b/c she claimed "hispanic."

DH's nephews both attended a large, well-known state university for FREE b/c their father is of mexican heritage (although he lived in the US his whole life). Their mother (my SIL) is blonde and blue eyed northern european/midwestern decent. The only reason they "speak Spanish" is b/c they took Spanish in college and did the semester in Spain. F-R-E-E four years tuition. Their father (the one of mexican descent) has a PhD in physical therapy and drives a Lexus. They have never wanted for anything.

So, I guess you can claim it. If the universities are too stupid to check it out or define it better, then you might as well take it.

Just curious, how do you know the bolded above? You saw their grades/ scores/applications? And those of each and every other kid on campus? So that you, personally, can attest that these are the "only" reasons?

B/c her mother told me that she is getting a full ride for minorities b/c she marked that she was hispanic. The scholarship recipients also participated in special seminars or preparation classes before the semester started and it was a little odd for her to be in the "minority" advancement meetings when she is as white as day, speaks nothing but English, and has no real connection to Latin America.

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If the universities are too stupid to check it out or define it better ...

My worry is the universities are in on this scam.
The U's would rather have assurance that the student can pay the balance (affluent/educated parents) and are likely to graduate (affluent/educated parents)
I think U's look the other way. They are happy to check-off their own box claiming diversity.

I'm the one you quoted and yes, I totally agree. They want the kids who are super successful "hispanic" kids.... not the ones who really need the extra help. The ones who were in the homecoming court and play trumpet and were cheerleaders (i.e. my nephews).... you know... the ones who are 100% euro-american... those are the latinos/hispanics they want to help.

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Anonymous wrote:No joke.... my DH's friend's DD is going to Duke (in a medical graduate program) on a full scholarship b/c her grandmother is from Paraguay. She (student) has a German last name and has lived in the US or Canada her whole life. The only reason she got the scholarship is b/c she claimed "hispanic."

DH's nephews both attended a large, well-known state university for FREE b/c their father is of mexican heritage (although he lived in the US his whole life). Their mother (my SIL) is blonde and blue eyed northern european/midwestern decent. The only reason they "speak Spanish" is b/c they took Spanish in college and did the semester in Spain. F-R-E-E four years tuition. Their father (the one of mexican descent) has a PhD in physical therapy and drives a Lexus. They have never wanted for anything.

So, I guess you can claim it. If the universities are too stupid to check it out or define it better, then you might as well take it.

I've seen scholarships that take into account the highest education level of parents and family income if they are trying to target the money towards minority and first generation to go to college.

I'm not clear why you think DH's nephews are gaming the system unless by mexican heritage you mean 2-3 generations ago someone was from Mexico AND every generation married someone white. Having a PhD or money doesn't make anyone less black or Hispanic. Having a spouse of a different ethnicity also doesn't make you not black or not hispanic when you are black or hispanic. The kids not speaking Spanish could be due to many things. Especially if only one parent speaks the language it is hard to raise a bi-lingual child unless you are sending him/her to language school every weekend. Also sometimes people are focused on their kids learning English/fitting in rather than keeping the other languages going and there could be a back story as to why the parents feel that way.

My children are bi-racial and we live in an affluent area. I do worry that it will be like that article from a pp, "We aren't friends, we just grew up together". As you watch everything unfolding with the BLM movement, my children are impacted. You look at the craziness in 2016 from the Old Navy ad featuring a family that frankly looks like ours and I worry about my kids being on social media where outsiders can post. When we look at schools, yes we take diversity into account. I would not want my children to apply for a scholarship intended to help an economically disadvantaged family ....similar to the types of scholarships that allowed me to attend private school and later attend a top college. But, my children aren't white and will have to deal with issues that white children may not have to deal with ...why would I say they are white on a college application? People that have money to pay full cost aren't turning down full-tuition scholarships for their kids no matter what race and they aren't lamenting about all the advantages their kid may have gotten over the child in a terrible school system so why would you hold your BIL to a different standard?

My nephews have had every opportunity that my white children have had... in fact, they probably had more. It seems wrong for them to have free rides to college just b/c their grandparents immigrated from Mexico. If the scholarship had been for the first gen. (i.e. my BIL who is the son of the mexican grandparents), I would have no problem with that. My husband's sister#2 is the one married to the BIL. When sister#1 found out about this, it caused a riff. Sister#1 has no kids, but she felt it was very unethical. Sister#1 and Sister#2 were truly close throughout their lives.... until this. I'm not sure if they have begun speaking to each other again or not. I can see why someone would take it if it was an option (i.e. universities are too dumb to really target their outreach). It is kind of annoying that we will have to shell out serious money for our kids' college and our nephews have gotten free tuition. It doesn't seem right. But, we move on. Life isn't fair. They essentially won the college lottery.