Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?

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Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!

+1. I can't believe you are considering checking "Hispanic." DW's parents are from South America and they speak Spanish fluently but they're European one generation before that and are all educated professionals with a long family history of such. She would never check Hispanic because it's not what the box is there for. I work in academia and also agree that an application with a German last name checking Hispanic is likely to seriously get my derision, legal or not. And even if your last name is "Garcia" and you show up looking Giselle Bunschen or Albert Einstein (many physicists or their parents were refugees to South America who, like Einstein, fled the Nazis in Europe), I will not be impressed either.
Don't make yourself or your children into an Elizabeth Warren style joke. There are real students who are the first in their family to go to college or that suffered as a result of the political upheavals in Latin America. Admissions are looking for them to create diversity. Are they looking for you?

I'm a middle-aged Cuban-American. About half my relatives are blonde with light eyes. Many of our parents were college-educated, some with grad degrees. They were political refugees and left their country with the clothes on their backs.

Our story is not the same as that of poor Mexicans or Guatemalans, descendant from indigenous. Nor is it the same as a poor Brazilian, descendant from slaves. Nor is it the same as a Colombian, who fled because of war. But the category "Hispanic/ Latino" is very, very wide and we can all legitimately lay claim to it. I wouldn't check it if it were not the way I identify. I speak the language and share that culture and have always identified as Hispanic. But there are college-educated Hispanics and there are white Hispanics.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't they just go away with race on college applications and switch to SES brackets?

+1.

Problem is, that would favor poor whites and poor Asians instead of wealthy blacks.

Not necessarily.

I believe itnis Texas that guarantees a certain number of spots for all students from every high school that finishes at the top (5%? 10%?) of each school in the state.

Admissions could go to a practice like this, plus a socioeconomic status boost and end up with an exceptionally diverse and vibrant student body.

The educated upper middle class blacks, hispanics, etc would continue to be accepted on their own merits as they are now. It should not affect their admissions in the least. They don't need that boost any more than my asian/white kid needs a boost.

Upper middle class blacks are some of the largest benefactors of AA; poor blacks generally don't score well enough to be considered for admission to selective schools even with large bumps from AA.

The most affluent blacks score about as well on the SAT as the poorest white and Asian students.

There was a study done years ago on test scores for military base schools and the military dependent AA and hispanic students scored significantly closer to the norms of white and asian students nationally.

I will see if I can find it.

Are you sure this is that gap in the upper levels? I find it hard to believe that upper & upper middle class fcps blacks and hispanics socre at similar levels to appalachia whites for example.

Yes, black and Hispanic kids on military base schools score close to white norms. Of course since the military screens for IQ and rejects applicants that score below a certain threshold this isn't too surprising.

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Anonymous wrote:Check the hispanic box if you want to. White or black or asian are races. Hispanic is an ethnicity--you can be Hispanic and any one or combo of the races, at least according to the Census.

It may give you an edge in admissions or it may not-depending on the school. If the students themselves are filling out applications they check anything they want to and/or feel like. It is not an exact science.

"Combo imot the races" is not just according to the census, it's according to history and fact. My Puerto Rican heritage includes black, European, and indigenous (Taino). I have Dominican friends who are straight up black. I have a Peruvian friend with a Chinese grandfather. I know Argentinians with blue eyes. Mexicans who look purely indigenous. This is the makeup of Latinos - we are all colors!

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^^Combo of the races, oops!

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Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!

+1. I can't believe you are considering checking "Hispanic." DW's parents are from South America and they speak Spanish fluently but they're European one generation before that and are all educated professionals with a long family history of such. She would never check Hispanic because it's not what the box is there for. I work in academia and also agree that an application with a German last name checking Hispanic is likely to seriously get my derision, legal or not. And even if your last name is "Garcia" and you show up looking Giselle Bunschen or Albert Einstein (many physicists or their parents were refugees to South America who, like Einstein, fled the Nazis in Europe), I will not be impressed either.
Don't make yourself or your children into an Elizabeth Warren style joke. There are real students who are the first in their family to go to college or that suffered as a result of the political upheavals in Latin America. Admissions are looking for them to create diversity. Are they looking for you?

I'm a middle-aged Cuban-American. About half my relatives are blonde with light eyes. Many of our parents were college-educated, some with grad degrees. They were political refugees and left their country with the clothes on their backs.

Our story is not the same as that of poor Mexicans or Guatemalans, descendant from indigenous. Nor is it the same as a poor Brazilian, descendant from slaves. Nor is it the same as a Colombian, who fled because of war. But the category "Hispanic/ Latino" is very, very wide and we can all legitimately lay claim to it. I wouldn't check it if it were not the way I identify. I speak the language and share that culture and have always identified as Hispanic. But there are college-educated Hispanics and there are white Hispanics.

+ a million. That's what many Anglos (white or black) don't seem to get. Our ancestors were neither slaves nor slaveowners. Our roots in the Americas are centuries old, including in many Western states and FL here in the US, and we have our own culture and references and language (which not everyone speaks).

We bring truly diverse diversity to the mix.

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Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

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My kids are 25% Hispanic and you bet I fill that out on their paperwork.

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Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

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Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

Politely decline.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

Politely decline.

Because you're not interested or because you're not Hispanic?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

What a funny question. Do you think all black (or Asian) students join the black-based organizations approaching them?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

What a funny question. Do you think all black (or Asian) students join the black-based organizations approaching them?

Of course not, if you have no interest, that's perfectly fine. But, if you're dumbfounded as to why these groups are reaching out, well that says something.

These organizations will have your name btw because of how you identified on your application.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can beat that. My grandfather is from Spain. I can legitimately check the Hispanic box. And I do!

Had a friend like this. White, reddish hair. Spanish surname. Checked the box and presumably it helped with admission to very good school.

What do you guys do when the Hispanic/Latino-based organizations try to recruit you to join and support their causes once you reach campus?

What a funny question. Do you think all black (or Asian) students join the black-based organizations approaching them?

Of course not, if you have no interest, that's perfectly fine. But, if you're dumbfounded as to why these groups are reaching out, well that says something.

These organizations will have your name btw because of how you identified on your application.

Well, you'd have to be pretty dumb to be dumbfounded, especially with such a broad category as Hispanic is. Remember, it's an ethnicity, not a race, and every Latino/s knows a dozen options for someone to be "White, reddish hair. Spanish surname" and perfectly Hispanic/ Latino.

Believe it or not, but skin color, or hair color, is pretty much irrelevant to us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!

+1. I can't believe you are considering checking "Hispanic." DW's parents are from South America and they speak Spanish fluently but they're European one generation before that and are all educated professionals with a long family history of such. She would never check Hispanic because it's not what the box is there for. I work in academia and also agree that an application with a German last name checking Hispanic is likely to seriously get my derision, legal or not. And even if your last name is "Garcia" and you show up looking Giselle Bunschen or Albert Einstein (many physicists or their parents were refugees to South America who, like Einstein, fled the Nazis in Europe), I will not be impressed either.
Don't make yourself or your children into an Elizabeth Warren style joke. There are real students who are the first in their family to go to college or that suffered as a result of the political upheavals in Latin America. Admissions are looking for them to create diversity. Are they looking for you?

I'm a middle-aged Cuban-American. About half my relatives are blonde with light eyes. Many of our parents were college-educated, some with grad degrees. They were political refugees and left their country with the clothes on their backs.

Our story is not the same as that of poor Mexicans or Guatemalans, descendant from indigenous. Nor is it the same as a poor Brazilian, descendant from slaves. Nor is it the same as a Colombian, who fled because of war. But the category "Hispanic/ Latino" is very, very wide and we can all legitimately lay claim to it. I wouldn't check it if it were not the way I identify. I speak the language and share that culture and have always identified as Hispanic. But there are college-educated Hispanics and there are white Hispanics.

People have such a limited understanding of how genetics work these days. If your genetically Cuban off spring with light hair and eyes have children with others with light hair and eyes, all offspring will be pale with blue eyes because they are recessive genetics. Even though they are Cuban. And "Hispanic" -- it is a pretty broad term.

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The way genetics work has changed recently? Or are people just poor writers these days?