What exactly is a prepped kid?
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Anonymous
One possible difference is that I have not seen any hostility towards African American students or Hispanic students but plenty hostility towards Asian students and alleged "Tiger Mom/Dad". |
Anonymous
Rinse and repeat. |
Anonymous
Looks like we won't have any negative comments/stereotyping of any of the minority groups from now on. That is a relief. |
Anonymous
If the kid is still identified as GT/AAP, that means he is not in high-school yet. But you are planning a professional sports career? Wow. I was 5' 11" in the 7th grade...and large build I was a bit clumsy, but was actively playing basketball and football. I was told, in the 08th grade (6'2", 220 lbs) that I would have my choice between football and basketball. Guess what? I stopped growing....at least vertically. I maxed out at 6'2"...and my professional career went poof. Heck, I had to pay my own way through college. |
Anonymous
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It shouldn't matter to anyone whether a kid is "prepped" or not.
We can't go through our whole lives with a tutor or outside help for everything we do. The point is that it doesn't matter how much extra help someone gets, in the long run we all have to stand on our own two feet. Some kids need some help to keep up, but the goal of the help ordinarily is for the child to get to the point of not needing help. It's not worth it to worry about other parents trying to get their kids ahead, in the end the goal is for the child to learn how to learn for him or herself. In sports, a kid could get all kinds of outside coaching, but if they don't have the talent, it won't make any difference. Same with school. A child has learn to do the work for him or herself, that is what will lead to success in the long run. Parents have to do what's right for their own kids and have confidence in their own choices. I've seen a lot of kids grow up and I've seen which kids become successful, accomplished, responsible adults. Do what's right for your own child and don't worry about others. It all shakes out in the end. |
Anonymous
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It shouldn't matter to anyone whether a kid is "prepped" or not.
Heck, no one complains about the big league and big time prepping, coaching, and year-round and round tutoring of our children in tennis, lacrosse, swimming, violin, piano and gymnastics as they compete of junior Olympics, varsity sports and Carnegie hall. No one has accused these dotted upon children of being marginal, unworthy, cheaters that would not have made the grade, or reaped the rewards of sweat and tears, if not for decades of prep. But, the same posters who prep their "marginal" kids in sports and music claim kids that prep in academics and tests are "marginal" and undeserving of reaping any rewards. |
Anonymous
Right, because as the poster you are responding to says, all that coaching for a kid who has no talent will have no real affect. No amount of coaching will turn a kid with no talent into an Olympic or professional athlete. Same thing with extra tutoring and outside classes: in the long run, it has no effect unless the child has what it takes inside him or herself. Among kids I have watched grow up, the ones who are in PhD programs today are the ones who spent their after school hours in athletics or doing theatre or arts activities. No tutoring or outside academic classes. Cheating is a completely different issue. In the sports world, cheating is highly frowned upon and allegations of cheating can result in a loss of reputation which is difficult to ever get back. Academic cheating is also highly frowned upon. Once a kid is in college, allegations of cheating are dealt with in a very strict manner, with consequences ranging from failing a test to actual expulsion. If you read College Confidential, there was a kid on there a week or so again who was quite upset at the consequences he or she was facing for having cheated. |
Anonymous
I schooled with many MD/PhD students. Yes many are brilliant and well rounded. Those of us who spent our afternoons in athletics, theatre or arts activities spent our midnights and dawns in the early morn in academic preparation for the long haul. Can you guess what many were doing on weekends and on vacation periods? I am not sure you even know what you are talking about. I'll end my response. |
Anonymous
I know very well what I am talking about. No amount of coaching will turn a kid without talent into a professional athlete. A kid can learn the basic skills of the sport, but coaching and hard work will not make a kid without talent into an Olympian or professional. The same concept applies to school. Tutoring and prep can do only so much, in the long run, a child has to learn how to learn. The kids I know who have been successful academically were the ones who were doing it for themselves, not for someone else. |
Anonymous
Are you a chronic whiner? Maybe you want to trade AAP "hostility" with real world hostility where your neighbors feel perfectly fine stopping black or Hispanic people because they don't look like they belong. That actually happened in my neighborhood and my neighbors felt perfectly fine openly discussing this practice at our neighborhood meeting. Any hostility you will face will likely be limited to this anonymous forum. The point of the previous two comments was not to worry about what others think and your response is they don't get it because blacks and Hispanics don't face the same hostility as Asians. Way to completely miss a point. |
Anonymous
You don't know what you are talking about. No one here is talking about prepping retarded children and coaching and prepping children with muscular dystrophy. Any child of average body and mind will improve their physical and mental performance with hard work, preparation and training. If this was not the case we would all (and perhaps you if you don't suffer from early dementia) not bother to prepare and train since the dye is cast. You obviously do not know what you are talking about. By the way, even children with the misfortune of retardation and muscular dystrophy benefit from the preparation and prepping of mental and physical therapy -- repetitively-- and may have better outcomes and quality of life with this training! Just imagine the potential benefits without these disabilities. Tutoring and prep is fine. The outcome or endpoint here for most of us is not a Nobel prize or an Olympic Gold medal. Though most of these fine individuals will tell you 90% of their success was preparation/hard work and 10% luck! You do not know what you are talking about. |
Anonymous
Where are you coming from here. No one here has stated (except you) that coaching will automatically turn a child into a professional athlete, an Olympian, or a professional. How does a child learn how to learn? How does a 6 year-old do it for themselves without a driver's license? |
Anonymous
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Let's get back on track and to the question posed by OP
The best evidence here sides with a poster making the following claim:
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Anonymous
Let's just say all minority groups get crapped on by the majority group in various ways. We don't have to try to get into which group gets crapped on more etc. |
Anonymous
Better yet, in keeping with the OP, let's say the well to do prepare their kids year round with more extracurricular educational enrichment activities (e.g., camps, tutors), attend better schools and with better teachers the sum total of which is excellent and better prep for CoGAT and NNAT. In fact this active preparation for those living in fancy zip codes is more effective than any kind of bubbling exercise the night before. They always have the big advantage in the prep business over those from low SES zip codes. Hands down. Now homemakers, you can all go whine somewhere else. |