MCPS and Starr will probably need to change boundaries

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Finally, let's see how accepting the neighborhoods in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac will be if the county decides to change boundaries. You will have a fight on your hands as property values immediately plummet - especially if low-incoming housing is thrown into the mix.

So even IF the kids are welcoming, their parents won't be.

So what? We all bought houses in MoCo, districted to MCPS. No one is entitled to a specific school with specific demographics, no matter how much they paid for their house. No one.

Class action lawsuit will result due to the plummet in property values.

The U.S. school system is funded by local communities' residential property taxes. Yes, your home's value is partly based on what school cachment area it is in. This is nationwide. And worldwide frankly.

Redo the boundaries too significantly and your @ss will get sued.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where I grew up, every little town had its own school; so if you were in the wealthy town, your schools were great; if you were in a poorer town, not so great. No school district had a stark achievement gap because the districts were small and homogeneous. Accross the state, however, crazy differences in standardized test scores. MontCo is so huge as a district that it is trying to solve a problem that many other communities simply avoid by having smaller school districts.

+1 for this poster: Low performing schools are primarily comprised of low income kids and kids with parents who speak other languages. Many of these kids would have improved test scores if they received extra support in a variety of areas (not just academic). MCPS should research the community school model that incorporates community centers and social service hubs within the school. Hungry kids get fed, parents have access to resources, tutoring is available after school, and free sports/activities are offered to keep kids off the street. We know how to improve outcomes... We have the research. But these kinds of models cost money. Moving poor kids to a different school in a nicer area won't magically solve the problem.

Signed,

A public interest lawyer who has worked on poverty related issues for a million years

Then what do you say to this: (from http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2014/140714/20140714_ED1.pdf

Student subgroups in low-poverty high schools also achieved at higher levels than their peers in high-poverty high schools. For example, low-income students in low-poverty high schools were more likely to meet college and career readiness benchmarks and less likely to demonstrate at-risk outcomes than their low-income peers in high-poverty high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:All of Kensington should go to Einstein.

I agree. But my, what a preppy riot would ensue over in Parkwood.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say neither pp lives in Parkwood!

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"Redistributing kids" won't solve the problem. Kids self-segregate - even in some very diverse schools. In the "W schools," they'll self-segregate by money. Do you honestly think some kid living in low-income housing will be welcomed by the kid in the mansion? doubtful

And sprinkling in a few kids coming from disadvantaged homes will make them stand out, as most will be black and Hispanic. Is that fair?

If I had the answer, I'd be a millionaire. But I know that this solution will not work either.

This solution actually does work.

I don't know if a kid in a mansion will welcome a kid living in low-income housing, and I don't know if it's fair to make disadvantaged kids to stand out.

What I do know is that the educational outcomes for poor kids are a lot better in low-poverty schools than in high-poverty schools.

which fails to take into account grade inflation - as the pressure is on to pass minority students

Talk to any of the Hispanic and black males who come out of a W school and enter alternative settings. Ask them how comfortable they felt in a W school. It's not just about grades, which mean nothing in this day and age. It's about well-being.

Finally, let's see how accepting the neighborhoods in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac will be if the county decides to change boundaries. You will have a fight on your hands as property values immediately plummet - especially if low-incoming housing is thrown into the mix.

So even IF the kids are welcoming, their parents won't be.

So what? We all bought houses in MoCo, districted to MCPS. No one is entitled to a specific school with specific demographics, no matter how much they paid for their house. No one.

Are you for real? Do you genuinely not understand that people pay more for houses in certain school districts? It's not about entitlement, it's about getting what you pay (and scrimp and save and sacrifice other things) for.

That is not how it works. People can pay whatever they want for whatever quality they perceive, but that payment does not create a contract with the county (or anyone else). We all pay the same taxes to the same county for the same school district, MCPS. We are all entitled to have our children educated by MCPS. MCPS can organize schools however it sees fit, to deliver that education.

If you want the guarantee of kids from five miles away not sitting next to your kid in her classroom, then buy a house in a town-based system. MCPS is a large school district, and we are ALL entitled to the SAME education by virtue of living here.

If you pay a $200-$400K premium to buy a house in a v. good school district, you will pay more in property taxes .

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"Redistributing kids" won't solve the problem. Kids self-segregate - even in some very diverse schools. In the "W schools," they'll self-segregate by money. Do you honestly think some kid living in low-income housing will be welcomed by the kid in the mansion? doubtful

And sprinkling in a few kids coming from disadvantaged homes will make them stand out, as most will be black and Hispanic. Is that fair?

If I had the answer, I'd be a millionaire. But I know that this solution will not work either.

This solution actually does work.

I don't know if a kid in a mansion will welcome a kid living in low-income housing, and I don't know if it's fair to make disadvantaged kids to stand out.

What I do know is that the educational outcomes for poor kids are a lot better in low-poverty schools than in high-poverty schools.

which fails to take into account grade inflation - as the pressure is on to pass minority students

Talk to any of the Hispanic and black males who come out of a W school and enter alternative settings. Ask them how comfortable they felt in a W school. It's not just about grades, which mean nothing in this day and age. It's about well-being.

Finally, let's see how accepting the neighborhoods in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac will be if the county decides to change boundaries. You will have a fight on your hands as property values immediately plummet - especially if low-incoming housing is thrown into the mix.

So even IF the kids are welcoming, their parents won't be.

So what? We all bought houses in MoCo, districted to MCPS. No one is entitled to a specific school with specific demographics, no matter how much they paid for their house. No one.

Are you for real? Do you genuinely not understand that people pay more for houses in certain school districts? It's not about entitlement, it's about getting what you pay (and scrimp and save and sacrifice other things) for.

That is not how it works. People can pay whatever they want for whatever quality they perceive, but that payment does not create a contract with the county (or anyone else). We all pay the same taxes to the same county for the same school district, MCPS. We are all entitled to have our children educated by MCPS. MCPS can organize schools however it sees fit, to deliver that education.

If you want the guarantee of kids from five miles away not sitting next to your kid in her classroom, then buy a house in a town-based system. MCPS is a large school district, and we are ALL entitled to the SAME education by virtue of living here.

If you pay a $200-$400K premium to buy a house in a v. good school district, you will pay more in property taxes .

Dude I think you do not understand how this works.

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Anonymous wrote:

"Redistributing kids" won't solve the problem. Kids self-segregate - even in some very diverse schools. In the "W schools," they'll self-segregate by money. Do you honestly think some kid living in low-income housing will be welcomed by the kid in the mansion? doubtful

And sprinkling in a few kids coming from disadvantaged homes will make them stand out, as most will be black and Hispanic. Is that fair?

If I had the answer, I'd be a millionaire. But I know that this solution will not work either.

This solution actually does work.

I don't know if a kid in a mansion will welcome a kid living in low-income housing, and I don't know if it's fair to make disadvantaged kids to stand out.

What I do know is that the educational outcomes for poor kids are a lot better in low-poverty schools than in high-poverty schools.

which fails to take into account grade inflation - as the pressure is on to pass minority students

Talk to any of the Hispanic and black males who come out of a W school and enter alternative settings. Ask them how comfortable they felt in a W school. It's not just about grades, which mean nothing in this day and age. It's about well-being.

Finally, let's see how accepting the neighborhoods in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac will be if the county decides to change boundaries. You will have a fight on your hands as property values immediately plummet - especially if low-incoming housing is thrown into the mix.

So even IF the kids are welcoming, their parents won't be.

So what? We all bought houses in MoCo, districted to MCPS. No one is entitled to a specific school with specific demographics, no matter how much they paid for their house. No one.

Are you for real? Do you genuinely not understand that people pay more for houses in certain school districts? It's not about entitlement, it's about getting what you pay (and scrimp and save and sacrifice other things) for.

That is not how it works. People can pay whatever they want for whatever quality they perceive, but that payment does not create a contract with the county (or anyone else). We all pay the same taxes to the same county for the same school district, MCPS. We are all entitled to have our children educated by MCPS. MCPS can organize schools however it sees fit, to deliver that education.

If you want the guarantee of kids from five miles away not sitting next to your kid in her classroom, then buy a house in a town-based system. MCPS is a large school district, and we are ALL entitled to the SAME education by virtue of living here.

If you pay a $200-$400K premium to buy a house in a v. good school district, you will pay more in property taxes .

Dude I think you do not understand how this works.

Enlighten me! I thought my property tax bill depended on the county's assessment of my home's market value. We moved from a dcc zoned home to a "W" home and I can tell you we pay significantly higher taxes. I was also under the impression that property tax revenue is used to fund the school system. Perhaps I'm wrong- let me know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Redistributing kids" won't solve the problem. Kids self-segregate - even in some very diverse schools. In the "W schools," they'll self-segregate by money. Do you honestly think some kid living in low-income housing will be welcomed by the kid in the mansion? doubtful

And sprinkling in a few kids coming from disadvantaged homes will make them stand out, as most will be black and Hispanic. Is that fair?

If I had the answer, I'd be a millionaire. But I know that this solution will not work either.

This solution actually does work.

I don't know if a kid in a mansion will welcome a kid living in low-income housing, and I don't know if it's fair to make disadvantaged kids to stand out.

What I do know is that the educational outcomes for poor kids are a lot better in low-poverty schools than in high-poverty schools.

which fails to take into account grade inflation - as the pressure is on to pass minority students

Talk to any of the Hispanic and black males who come out of a W school and enter alternative settings. Ask them how comfortable they felt in a W school. It's not just about grades, which mean nothing in this day and age. It's about well-being.

Finally, let's see how accepting the neighborhoods in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac will be if the county decides to change boundaries. You will have a fight on your hands as property values immediately plummet - especially if low-incoming housing is thrown into the mix.

So even IF the kids are welcoming, their parents won't be.

So what? We all bought houses in MoCo, districted to MCPS. No one is entitled to a specific school with specific demographics, no matter how much they paid for their house. No one.

Are you for real? Do you genuinely not understand that people pay more for houses in certain school districts? It's not about entitlement, it's about getting what you pay (and scrimp and save and sacrifice other things) for.

That is not how it works. People can pay whatever they want for whatever quality they perceive, but that payment does not create a contract with the county (or anyone else). We all pay the same taxes to the same county for the same school district, MCPS. We are all entitled to have our children educated by MCPS. MCPS can organize schools however it sees fit, to deliver that education.

If you want the guarantee of kids from five miles away not sitting next to your kid in her classroom, then buy a house in a town-based system. MCPS is a large school district, and we are ALL entitled to the SAME education by virtue of living here.

If you pay a $200-$400K premium to buy a house in a v. good school district, you will pay more in property taxes .

You pay the same rate. The exact same rate.

Which is the point of a county-based (versus a town-based) school system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Redistributing kids" won't solve the problem. Kids self-segregate - even in some very diverse schools. In the "W schools," they'll self-segregate by money. Do you honestly think some kid living in low-income housing will be welcomed by the kid in the mansion? doubtful

And sprinkling in a few kids coming from disadvantaged homes will make them stand out, as most will be black and Hispanic. Is that fair?

If I had the answer, I'd be a millionaire. But I know that this solution will not work either.

This solution actually does work.

I don't know if a kid in a mansion will welcome a kid living in low-income housing, and I don't know if it's fair to make disadvantaged kids to stand out.

What I do know is that the educational outcomes for poor kids are a lot better in low-poverty schools than in high-poverty schools.

which fails to take into account grade inflation - as the pressure is on to pass minority students

Talk to any of the Hispanic and black males who come out of a W school and enter alternative settings. Ask them how comfortable they felt in a W school. It's not just about grades, which mean nothing in this day and age. It's about well-being.

Finally, let's see how accepting the neighborhoods in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac will be if the county decides to change boundaries. You will have a fight on your hands as property values immediately plummet - especially if low-incoming housing is thrown into the mix.

So even IF the kids are welcoming, their parents won't be.

So what? We all bought houses in MoCo, districted to MCPS. No one is entitled to a specific school with specific demographics, no matter how much they paid for their house. No one.

Are you for real? Do you genuinely not understand that people pay more for houses in certain school districts? It's not about entitlement, it's about getting what you pay (and scrimp and save and sacrifice other things) for.

That is not how it works. People can pay whatever they want for whatever quality they perceive, but that payment does not create a contract with the county (or anyone else). We all pay the same taxes to the same county for the same school district, MCPS. We are all entitled to have our children educated by MCPS. MCPS can organize schools however it sees fit, to deliver that education.

If you want the guarantee of kids from five miles away not sitting next to your kid in her classroom, then buy a house in a town-based system. MCPS is a large school district, and we are ALL entitled to the SAME education by virtue of living here.

If you pay a $200-$400K premium to buy a house in a v. good school district, you will pay more in property taxes .

Dude I think you do not understand how this works.

Enlighten me! I thought my property tax bill depended on the county's assessment of my home's market value. We moved from a dcc zoned home to a "W" home and I can tell you we pay significantly higher taxes. I was also under the impression that property tax revenue is used to fund the school system. Perhaps I'm wrong- let me know.

Indeed it is - COUNTY-wide. The WHOLE system, not your "v. good school district." You live in the same school district that those in the Kennedy zone do. You pay the same property tax rate that they do and that revenue is used to fund the ENTIRE school system - not just your "v. good school district."

[Anonymous]

Everyone pays the same rate based on their assessed value. If your Wheaton zoned house is assessed at $100 and the tax rate is 5%, you contribute $5 to the education funds. If you live in Whitman and your house is assessed at $200, you contribute $10 to the education fund pool.

[Anonymous]

The best models that can demonstrate results for low income students include intensive holistic services for the student and family. The low performing schools need way more than the badic title I resources. If Johnny isn't doing well at Kennedy because he's hanging out with troubled kids and getting in trouble with the cops and living with Grandma because mom split or is an addict and no one knows where dad is OR he's living with mom but she can't pay the bills so he needs to make some cash and her BF is slapping him around so he prefers to couch surf OR he doesn't have a doctor and he ran out of his asthma inhaler and can't afford glasses, etc. then bussing Johnny to Whitman won't make him do better in school.

And what about the elephant in the room: minority boys who have not been properly coded in elementary school and thus haven't received the necessary supports to succeed in school. These kids are screwed because the principals will not code a minority boy. This is practically MCPS policy, and it's a crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The best models that can demonstrate results for low income students include intensive holistic services for the student and family. The low performing schools need way more than the badic title I resources. If Johnny isn't doing well at Kennedy because he's hanging out with troubled kids and getting in trouble with the cops and living with Grandma because mom split or is an addict and no one knows where dad is OR he's living with mom but she can't pay the bills so he needs to make some cash and her BF is slapping him around so he prefers to couch surf OR he doesn't have a doctor and he ran out of his asthma inhaler and can't afford glasses, etc. then bussing Johnny to Whitman won't make him do better in school.

And what about the elephant in the room: minority boys who have not been properly coded in elementary school and thus haven't received the necessary supports to succeed in school. These kids are screwed because the principals will not code a minority boy. This is practically MCPS policy, and it's a crime.

Sorry for what may be a dumb question, but what does coding mean?

[Anonymous]

In short, coding means having the school document a learning disability, etc in order to provide special services. It costs money, but more importantly (to the county), it makes the schools look bad for having so many minority boys with that label. Ask a veteran teacher or someone in administration. Or ask the parent of a minority boy who has spent their own money for private testing because the school refuses to request it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The best models that can demonstrate results for low income students include intensive holistic services for the student and family. The low performing schools need way more than the badic title I resources. If Johnny isn't doing well at Kennedy because he's hanging out with troubled kids and getting in trouble with the cops and living with Grandma because mom split or is an addict and no one knows where dad is OR he's living with mom but she can't pay the bills so he needs to make some cash and her BF is slapping him around so he prefers to couch surf OR he doesn't have a doctor and he ran out of his asthma inhaler and can't afford glasses, etc. then bussing Johnny to Whitman won't make him do better in school.

And what about the elephant in the room: minority boys who have not been properly coded in elementary school and thus haven't received the necessary supports to succeed in school. These kids are screwed because the principals will not code a minority boy. This is practically MCPS policy, and it's a crime.

I have a Black Latino stepchild (middle school) who is constantly put into advanced classes even though he is struggling and gets C's and D's. HIs dad keeps asking for him to be put in more appropriate classes, but the school is very reluctant to comply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Redistributing kids" won't solve the problem. Kids self-segregate - even in some very diverse schools. In the "W schools," they'll self-segregate by money. Do you honestly think some kid living in low-income housing will be welcomed by the kid in the mansion? doubtful

And sprinkling in a few kids coming from disadvantaged homes will make them stand out, as most will be black and Hispanic. Is that fair?

If I had the answer, I'd be a millionaire. But I know that this solution will not work either.

This solution actually does work.

I don't know if a kid in a mansion will welcome a kid living in low-income housing, and I don't know if it's fair to make disadvantaged kids to stand out.

What I do know is that the educational outcomes for poor kids are a lot better in low-poverty schools than in high-poverty schools.

which fails to take into account grade inflation - as the pressure is on to pass minority students

Talk to any of the Hispanic and black males who come out of a W school and enter alternative settings. Ask them how comfortable they felt in a W school. It's not just about grades, which mean nothing in this day and age. It's about well-being.

Finally, let's see how accepting the neighborhoods in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac will be if the county decides to change boundaries. You will have a fight on your hands as property values immediately plummet - especially if low-incoming housing is thrown into the mix.

So even IF the kids are welcoming, their parents won't be.

So what? We all bought houses in MoCo, districted to MCPS. No one is entitled to a specific school with specific demographics, no matter how much they paid for their house. No one.

Are you for real? Do you genuinely not understand that people pay more for houses in certain school districts? It's not about entitlement, it's about getting what you pay (and scrimp and save and sacrifice other things) for.

That is not how it works. People can pay whatever they want for whatever quality they perceive, but that payment does not create a contract with the county (or anyone else). We all pay the same taxes to the same county for the same school district, MCPS. We are all entitled to have our children educated by MCPS. MCPS can organize schools however it sees fit, to deliver that education.

If you want the guarantee of kids from five miles away not sitting next to your kid in her classroom, then buy a house in a town-based system. MCPS is a large school district, and we are ALL entitled to the SAME education by virtue of living here.

If you pay a $200-$400K premium to buy a house in a v. good school district, you will pay more in property taxes .

You pay the same rate. The exact same rate.

Which is the point of a county-based (versus a town-based) school system.

I know I pay the same rate but I pay more in taxes because my house has a higher market value so as far as I can tell, I contribute more to school funding than I did when I lived in my DCC house. I am aware that these funds are pooled which is fine with me BUT I did want to make the point that I do contribute more in tax funding of the school system now than I did when I lived in the DCC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best models that can demonstrate results for low income students include intensive holistic services for the student and family. The low performing schools need way more than the badic title I resources. If Johnny isn't doing well at Kennedy because he's hanging out with troubled kids and getting in trouble with the cops and living with Grandma because mom split or is an addict and no one knows where dad is OR he's living with mom but she can't pay the bills so he needs to make some cash and her BF is slapping him around so he prefers to couch surf OR he doesn't have a doctor and he ran out of his asthma inhaler and can't afford glasses, etc. then bussing Johnny to Whitman won't make him do better in school.

And what about the elephant in the room: minority boys who have not been properly coded in elementary school and thus haven't received the necessary supports to succeed in school. These kids are screwed because the principals will not code a minority boy. This is practically MCPS policy, and it's a crime.

I have a Black Latino stepchild (middle school) who is constantly put into advanced classes even though he is struggling and gets C's and D's. HIs dad keeps asking for him to be put in more appropriate classes, but the school is very reluctant to comply.

Parents have rights to override school assignment, schools usually send out next year class selections for parents to approve. I did that several times for my kid.