In my experience, UCLA may actually be better known than Berkeley in some counties because of its athletics. Its international prestige far exceeds it's domestic reputation. Heck, it's number 12 on the Shanghai rankings that people keep citing, above Cornell, U Penn, Hopkins and University College London, which are mentioned over and over again on this thread. |
Please tell me which country is UCLA better known than Berkeley? Genuinely curious. I will concede UCLA is better known than Penn globally, but not Wharton. JHU is known the world over but that's due to the med school. I'll agree that UCLA probably has better world wide name recognition compared to Cornell. |
UCLA is definitely not known to be more prestigious than Berkeley in other countries especially in Asia. |
I didn't say more prestigious. I said better known. UCLA has incredible name recognition which increases it's reputation overall. My guess is that Hopkins and Warren are very well known amongst certain subsets of the population, but are completely unknown to many. I doubt that most of the foreign scientists (not medicine-related) and engineers I know have ever heard of them. They all know UCLA. |
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Foreigners know the following:
- The Ivy League - Stanford - MIT - UC Berkeley Those are BY FAR the best known US schools, internationally. |
Foreigners are not very familiar with Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell and they often confuse UPenn and Penn State. The list would be HYP plus Stanford, MIT & Berkeley (Maybe Columbia). |
| Actually Maryland is rather well known since it administers the armed forces education program abroad. https://www.europe.umuc.edu/ |
Well, yeah - Harvard is the H in the H/Y/P of the title and thus presumed to be known to foreigners. |
Cornell is well known internationally for STEM. |
| Yale and Princeton aren't as well known abroad as Harvard is. HYP is a very American grouping. |
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Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT UC Berkeley UCB is arguably more prestigious outside of the US than inside the US. |
Berkeley is ranked third in the Best Global Universities by USNW. |
| We took our student visitor from the UK to Georgetown. He'd never heard of it or, in general, University (of any state). He is a PHD medical researcher |
Medical researcher would have heard of UCSF. |
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Columbia
Brown Stanford Duke MIT Princeton |