Middlebury releases Class of 2030 admissions info

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Anonymous wrote:Sure keep saying that. The trend is not Midd’s friend several years of declining applications with financial problems. Colby has passed it.


You seem a bit confused so I'll help you a bit.

Middlebury has a larger endowment than Colby
Middlebury has less debt than Colby
Middlebury draws from there endowment at a lower rate than Colby (they could close their deficit simply by raising their draw rate to Colby's)
Middlebury has raised their fees at a rate below average among the NESCACs for years.
Middlebury has fixed the root causes of their deficit while Colby has run a deficit for the last three years running.

Neither school has any significant financial issues but Middlebury is without question in stronger financial shape.

If you want to look at an example of an extremely well run NESCAC look at Hamilton.
Endowment about the same size as Colby supporting a smaller student body
Outstanding budget discipline typically a $5-$10M surplus
Outstanding endowment discipline with a low draw rate
Low debt (roughly half of Colby's)

Overall excellent financial management.

Rankings:

Middlebury consistently sits a dozen spots higher than Colby

Middlebury historical average ranking over the last 36 years is 7

Colby historical average ranking over the last 36 years is 19

Middlebury is known as:
Top language school
A top feeder to Wall street
Having some of the highest admit rates to Meds schools

Colby is known as:
The second best school in Maine


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Anonymous wrote:Colby is more desirable now.


Is it? Based on what? My kid toured both and liked both, but Midd rose to the top and was his ED choice. Midd's programs in his areas of interest, alum network in his field of interest, gorgeous location, skiing, nature, the cute walkable little town, the yummy food, the investments in its campus, including amazing new dorm, performing arts venue, athletics.... all of this made Midd more desirable than Colby.

What exactly do you think makes Colby more desirable than Midd?

I’m on your side but this is pretty poor reasoning. Colby has DavisConnects and a strong alumni backing, a new dorm, new performing arts venue, new art studios and centers in their town, pretty much the best D3 athletic center in the country, and soon a new science complex and innovation center. They seem pretty even, if anything.


You think my kid's reasoning is poor, lol? Well he's happy. Also Midd has a stronger reputation. Sorry, but it just does. Colby isn't helping itself with its admission games and lack of candor.

The points you brought up don’t make sense when everything you brought up is also relevant to Colby and some things are actually better at Colby than Middlebury. So yes, your reasoning is shit. Get over it and realize that you could’ve made a better defense.


lol you really have an axe to grind. my kid liked midd much better than colby. the question is why that triggers you so much.

I said I agreed with you. You took it offensive and then made crap points following.


sorry it triggers you so much that kids choose midd over colby. i wonder why.

It doesn’t. You seem triggered that you got any pushback because your points didn’t make sense.


they were not my points, they were my kid's - who chose Midd over Colby. So in your worldview no one should do that or if they do it does not make sense? You are too funny.
So in your mind
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Anonymous wrote:Sure keep saying that. The trend is not Midd’s friend several years of declining applications with financial problems. Colby has passed it.


You seem a bit confused so I'll help you a bit.

Middlebury has a larger endowment than Colby
Middlebury has less debt than Colby
Middlebury draws from there endowment at a lower rate than Colby (they could close their deficit simply by raising their draw rate to Colby's)
Middlebury has raised their fees at a rate below average among the NESCACs for years.
Middlebury has fixed the root causes of their deficit while Colby has run a deficit for the last three years running.

Neither school has any significant financial issues but Middlebury is without question in stronger financial shape.

If you want to look at an example of an extremely well run NESCAC look at Hamilton.
Endowment about the same size as Colby supporting a smaller student body
Outstanding budget discipline typically a $5-$10M surplus
Outstanding endowment discipline with a low draw rate
Low debt (roughly half of Colby's)

Overall excellent financial management.

Rankings:

Middlebury consistently sits a dozen spots higher than Colby

Middlebury historical average ranking over the last 36 years is 7

Colby historical average ranking over the last 36 years is 19

Middlebury is known as:
Top language school
A top feeder to Wall street
Having some of the highest admit rates to Meds schools

Colby is known as:
The second best school in Maine




I’m not the poster you are sparring with, but you sound a bit obsessed. Really, is this the best use of your time?

We are so happy with another NESCAC school. If someone asks me about it, I’ll gladly share my opinion. However, my feedback on that school will stand alone. I can’t imagine the need to put down another school (where many kids are doing well and are happy!).

Take a deep breath.



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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sure keep saying that. The trend is not Midd’s friend several years of declining applications with financial problems. Colby has passed it.


You seem a bit confused so I'll help you a bit.

Middlebury has a larger endowment than Colby
Middlebury has less debt than Colby
Middlebury draws from there endowment at a lower rate than Colby (they could close their deficit simply by raising their draw rate to Colby's)
Middlebury has raised their fees at a rate below average among the NESCACs for years.
Middlebury has fixed the root causes of their deficit while Colby has run a deficit for the last three years running.

Neither school has any significant financial issues but Middlebury is without question in stronger financial shape.

If you want to look at an example of an extremely well run NESCAC look at Hamilton.
Endowment about the same size as Colby supporting a smaller student body
Outstanding budget discipline typically a $5-$10M surplus
Outstanding endowment discipline with a low draw rate
Low debt (roughly half of Colby's)

Overall excellent financial management.

Rankings:

Middlebury consistently sits a dozen spots higher than Colby

Middlebury historical average ranking over the last 36 years is 7

Colby historical average ranking over the last 36 years is 19

Middlebury is known as:
Top language school
A top feeder to Wall street
Having some of the highest admit rates to Meds schools

Colby is known as:
The second best school in Maine




I’m not the poster you are sparring with, but you sound a bit obsessed. Really, is this the best use of your time?

We are so happy with another NESCAC school. If someone asks me about it, I’ll gladly share my opinion. However, my feedback on that school will stand alone. I can’t imagine the need to put down another school (where many kids are doing well and are happy!).

Take a deep breath.





There is one particularly unhinged Middlebury hater constantly posting misinformation and three or 4 people, it's hard to tell correcting things. Looks like one of them got tired of the troll.
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Anonymous wrote:I can’t imagine there’s a crazy high market for people who want to go to a tiny school in the middle of nowhere Vermont, pretty much the only reason people go to Williams is cause the rankings are nice.



Not everyone wants the same thing. What a revelation!

And yet, we can probably infer from the 17% yield rate what people want, usually!

It’s almost like you didn’t make a point


A 17% yield rate?

That's rather low, no?
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Anonymous wrote:Colby is more desirable now.


Is it? Based on what? My kid toured both and liked both, but Midd rose to the top and was his ED choice. Midd's programs in his areas of interest, alum network in his field of interest, gorgeous location, skiing, nature, the cute walkable little town, the yummy food, the investments in its campus, including amazing new dorm, performing arts venue, athletics.... all of this made Midd more desirable than Colby.

What exactly do you think makes Colby more desirable than Midd?

I’m on your side but this is pretty poor reasoning. Colby has DavisConnects and a strong alumni backing, a new dorm, new performing arts venue, new art studios and centers in their town, pretty much the best D3 athletic center in the country, and soon a new science complex and innovation center. They seem pretty even, if anything.


You think my kid's reasoning is poor, lol? Well he's happy. Also Midd has a stronger reputation. Sorry, but it just does. Colby isn't helping itself with its admission games and lack of candor.

The points you brought up don’t make sense when everything you brought up is also relevant to Colby and some things are actually better at Colby than Middlebury. So yes, your reasoning is shit. Get over it and realize that you could’ve made a better defense.


lol you really have an axe to grind. my kid liked midd much better than colby. the question is why that triggers you so much.

I said I agreed with you. You took it offensive and then made crap points following.


sorry it triggers you so much that kids choose midd over colby. i wonder why.

It doesn’t. You seem triggered that you got any pushback because your points didn’t make sense.


they were not my points, they were my kid's - who chose Midd over Colby. So in your worldview no one should do that or if they do it does not make sense? You are too funny.
So in your mind

Let’s slow it. You said that Middlebury had these things that made it better than Colby. I said that Colby has all the things you said and then some. So what’s the big deal?
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Anonymous wrote:I can’t imagine there’s a crazy high market for people who want to go to a tiny school in the middle of nowhere Vermont, pretty much the only reason people go to Williams is cause the rankings are nice.



Not everyone wants the same thing. What a revelation!

And yet, we can probably infer from the 17% yield rate what people want, usually!

It’s almost like you didn’t make a point


A 17% yield rate?

That's rather low, no?


That was their acceptance rate this year and it is unusually high for them. Their yield is typically in the mid 40's if I recall correctly.
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Anonymous wrote:Colby is more desirable now.


Is it? Based on what? My kid toured both and liked both, but Midd rose to the top and was his ED choice. Midd's programs in his areas of interest, alum network in his field of interest, gorgeous location, skiing, nature, the cute walkable little town, the yummy food, the investments in its campus, including amazing new dorm, performing arts venue, athletics.... all of this made Midd more desirable than Colby.

What exactly do you think makes Colby more desirable than Midd?

I’m on your side but this is pretty poor reasoning. Colby has DavisConnects and a strong alumni backing, a new dorm, new performing arts venue, new art studios and centers in their town, pretty much the best D3 athletic center in the country, and soon a new science complex and innovation center. They seem pretty even, if anything.


You think my kid's reasoning is poor, lol? Well he's happy. Also Midd has a stronger reputation. Sorry, but it just does. Colby isn't helping itself with its admission games and lack of candor.

The points you brought up don’t make sense when everything you brought up is also relevant to Colby and some things are actually better at Colby than Middlebury. So yes, your reasoning is shit. Get over it and realize that you could’ve made a better defense.


lol you really have an axe to grind. my kid liked midd much better than colby. the question is why that triggers you so much.

I said I agreed with you. You took it offensive and then made crap points following.


sorry it triggers you so much that kids choose midd over colby. i wonder why.

It doesn’t. You seem triggered that you got any pushback because your points didn’t make sense.


they were not my points, they were my kid's - who chose Midd over Colby. So in your worldview no one should do that or if they do it does not make sense? You are too funny.
So in your mind

Let’s slow it. You said that Middlebury had these things that made it better than Colby. I said that Colby has all the things you said and then some. So what’s the big deal?


These were the things that made my kid choose Midd over Colby. I have no idea why this is a such a big deal to you, and why you are so hung up on a kid choosing Midd over Colby. It felt like a very obvious pick to me.

I did like Colby too, but the endless weird booster on here is a big turn off. you're not doing the school any favors.
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Only 33%!!! of enrolled freshman submitted an SAT to Middlebury, 212 students. Of those who submitted, fewer than 15% scored above 1560.

So out of 634 enrolled freshman, only 31 students had a high SAT. Those high scorers are like a unicorn!!!!!!

Since Middlebury draws from private schools, safe to say they aren't drawing their best and brightest.
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Anonymous wrote:Only 33%!!! of enrolled freshman submitted an SAT to Middlebury, 212 students. Of those who submitted, fewer than 15% scored above 1560.

So out of 634 enrolled freshman, only 31 students had a high SAT. Those high scorers are like a unicorn!!!!!!

Since Middlebury draws from private schools, safe to say they aren't drawing their best and brightest.


Oh my god, it’s you. Always talking about the # of kids with SATs above 1560, and “unicorns.” Do you only read princess books to be throwing the word unicorn around so often? You do the same spiel with Pomona too and nobody cares. You’re just revealing your mental illness and derangement.
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Anonymous wrote:Only 33%!!! of enrolled freshman submitted an SAT to Middlebury, 212 students. Of those who submitted, fewer than 15% scored above 1560.

So out of 634 enrolled freshman, only 31 students had a high SAT. Those high scorers are like a unicorn!!!!!!

Since Middlebury draws from private schools, safe to say they aren't drawing their best and brightest.


how many submitted ACT? A lot of kids submit one or the other.

I wonder how many schools have more than 15% who score above 1560. That's a really high bar to judge a school on. You think a "high" SAT is only over 1560?!

What is your beef with Midd? You're just making up ridiculous stuff to try to make this school look bad. Why?
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Anonymous wrote:Only 33%!!! of enrolled freshman submitted an SAT to Middlebury, 212 students. Of those who submitted, fewer than 15% scored above 1560.

So out of 634 enrolled freshman, only 31 students had a high SAT. Those high scorers are like a unicorn!!!!!!

Since Middlebury draws from private schools, safe to say they aren't drawing their best and brightest.


how many submitted ACT? A lot of kids submit one or the other.

I wonder how many schools have more than 15% who score above 1560. That's a really high bar to judge a school on. You think a "high" SAT is only over 1560?!

What is your beef with Midd? You're just making up ridiculous stuff to try to make this school look bad. Why?


Where would they get a number like 15%? It’s not in a CDS. No clue about Colby, they won’t release a CDS.
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Anonymous wrote:Only 33%!!! of enrolled freshman submitted an SAT to Middlebury, 212 students. Of those who submitted, fewer than 15% scored above 1560.

So out of 634 enrolled freshman, only 31 students had a high SAT. Those high scorers are like a unicorn!!!!!!

Since Middlebury draws from private schools, safe to say they aren't drawing their best and brightest.


how many submitted ACT? A lot of kids submit one or the other.

I wonder how many schools have more than 15% who score above 1560. That's a really high bar to judge a school on. You think a "high" SAT is only over 1560?!

What is your beef with Midd? You're just making up ridiculous stuff to try to make this school look bad. Why?


Middlebury DOESN'T have 15% of its enrolled freshmen scoring that high. Fewer than 15% of those who SUBMITTED SAT scores scored higher. More than 400 students didn't submit an SAT.

The percentage of 1560+ scorers at Middlebury is less than 5%. A big difference.

As for 1560, most studies show that it is the point at which most schools bucket SATs into the highest bucket, which according to Harvard, Dartmouth, Penn, etc. those students are much, much more likely to be admitted. It is intuitively a score that separates academic wheat from chaff.
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Anonymous wrote:Only 33%!!! of enrolled freshman submitted an SAT to Middlebury, 212 students. Of those who submitted, fewer than 15% scored above 1560.

So out of 634 enrolled freshman, only 31 students had a high SAT. Those high scorers are like a unicorn!!!!!!

Since Middlebury draws from private schools, safe to say they aren't drawing their best and brightest.


how many submitted ACT? A lot of kids submit one or the other.

I wonder how many schools have more than 15% who score above 1560. That's a really high bar to judge a school on. You think a "high" SAT is only over 1560?!

What is your beef with Midd? You're just making up ridiculous stuff to try to make this school look bad. Why?


Middlebury DOESN'T have 15% of its enrolled freshmen scoring that high. Fewer than 15% of those who SUBMITTED SAT scores scored higher. More than 400 students didn't submit an SAT.

The percentage of 1560+ scorers at Middlebury is less than 5%. A big difference.

As for 1560, most studies show that it is the point at which most schools bucket SATs into the highest bucket, which according to Harvard, Dartmouth, Penn, etc. those students are much, much more likely to be admitted. It is intuitively a score that separates academic wheat from chaff.


Where did you come up with that number?
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Anonymous wrote:I can’t imagine there’s a crazy high market for people who want to go to a tiny school in the middle of nowhere Vermont, pretty much the only reason people go to Williams is cause the rankings are nice.



Not everyone wants the same thing. What a revelation!

And yet, we can probably infer from the 17% yield rate what people want, usually!

It’s almost like you didn’t make a point


A 17% yield rate?

That's rather low, no?


That was their acceptance rate this year and it is unusually high for them. Their yield is typically in the mid 40's if I recall correctly.


There yield is in the high 30's overall. But that includes ED (yield =100% because it's binding) and they fill 65-70% of the class with ED which raises their yield. If you look at yield for those who have a choice (RD, non-binding) it is only 17% yield for RD admits.
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